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#109503
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Lucas is way off....time will tell....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109503/action/topic#109503
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I've been reading this stuff about what Lucas is saying about the under 25 and over 25 crowds and which trilogy they prefer, so I have to chime in on this.

My opinion only here!!!

The PT will not stand the test of time. Maybe the FX will, but the stories and the movies themselves will not.

Here's how I think this....

I was 6 when ROTJ came out back in 1983. Thanks to my Dad buying bootleg copies of SW and ESB, I was definitely prepared for ROTJ when it came out. I watched those two movies endlessly....easily 50 or 60 times in the year to a year and a half before ROTJ, so I consider myself every much part of the original SW generation. Now when ROTJ came out, I LOVED it. I thought it was the most awesome one yet. Better than SW and ESB combined. It was just the shiznits, man.

Now....fast forward about 9 years. It's early 1992 and Star Wars has faded...now a distant, relished memory. I'm 15 years old and I want to watch the movies again, but those old bootleg Beta copies went by the wayside somehow. So I saved up some allowance for a few weeks and bought all 3 on fresh VHS tapes. I watched them and was enthralled. It was like I was REALLY seeing them for the first time. SW just riveted me, but when I got to ESB...that was when the greatness of this story really hit me. These weren't just movies, these were epics of the grandest scale. ESB got under my skin the most. I must have watched it 20 times.

But...

Something happened when I got to ROTJ. It felt strange....like something just wasn't right. I immediately saw how silly the Ewoks were and how anti-climactic Boba Fett's death really was. But it did have a lot there that was great. The duel at the end was powerful (as was the music), even though it still pales in comparison to the duel from ESB. ROTJ is a good Star Wars movie, but I got the sense back then that it could have been a hell of a lot better.

My point here is this....when I saw ROTJ at age 6, I thought it was the greatest ever. When I "rediscovered" the trilogy, I was older and realized the greatness of SW and ESB, but also saw the weaknesses of ROTJ.

I think that as the years go by, the PT will not stand the test of time and anyone who thought it was awesome and great will revisit it again and see the weaknesses and wasted potential.
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#109278
Topic
The Prequel Curse
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109278/action/topic#109278
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Hey everyone....just chiming in with an opinion here....

I think that doing prequels is a pretty bad idea overall. The idea of prequels has killed both Star Wars and Star Trek, IMHO.

Star Trek had that Enterprise show that took place before the Original Series and that had all kinds of continuity problems and what not..
Star Wars had Episodes 1, 2, and 3 and there are numerous problems with them, as we've seen.

I think writing prequels can get kind of tricky cuz you have to fit in with parts that are already laid out. Doing a trek prequel would be hard cuz you have a lot of stuff that has to be in sync. You would think that SW would be easy though. I don't know how Lucas screwed the prequels up. He didn't have a lot to do in order for them to fit with 4, 5 and 6. Strange...

But I think that prequels are a bad idea......they've done in the two great sci-fi franchises of the past 30-40 years.
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#109246
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Give Lucas A Run For His Money...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109246/action/topic#109246
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I'm kind of interested in hearing some ideas...

I've read plenty of stuff saying that the PT sucked and could have been better....so let's hear some ideas.
Get serious about it. Write a short treatment for each episode and post it, if you dare. Even better, if you think you can improve the OT, post that too (espcially ROTJ).

Even if you have just some little ideas, let's hear them.

Here's mine for ROTS:

I think it would have worked better if Palpatine would have been working Anakin up and then putting him in that position on the Jedi Council like he did, then naturally tempted Anakin with the power to save Padme...only to secretly inform the Jedi about Anakin's marriage to Padme and her pregnancy, of course. Anakin would have been expelled from the Jedi and then is some sort of incident, Padme would have been killed and it would have looked to Anakin that the Jedi did it. Naturally, he would have gone ape shit on the Jedi, turned to the dark side and killed everyone. But we see that Yoda actually made off with Padme to Dagobah, she has the twins, dies in childbirth. Yoda gives Leia to Organa and then after the big duel, Obi goes to Dagobah where Yoda gives him Luke and tells him to go to Tatooine.

I left out a bunch of stuff, but you get the idea. Doesn't have to be perfect, but give it a shot. I think we'll find that there was infinitely better ideas than what Lucas did.

And if anyone want to post a totally reworked storyline of the whole saga....I would love to read it.
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#109241
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Star Wars references in other movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109241/action/topic#109241
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I didn't see KS's latest film, 'Jersey Girl' (did anyone? lol), but didn't think it was part of the whole 'Jay and Silent Bob' set of films and style.


I haven't seen it yet, but it is the same style of comedies as he normally does....but it did not have Jay and Silent Bob in it, so it is not a part of the previous 5 movies.

Clerks, Mallrats and Chasing Amy are known as the Jersey Trilogy among KS fans. Dogma and Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back are sort of tie-ins to the trilogy. Dogma and JASBSB are sort of continuations of what happens to J & SB after their appearence in Chasing Amy.

All five films are considered part of the View Askew-niverse, which all share characters and situations, a la comic book stuff like Marvel and DC (Spidey and the X-Men are part of the Marvel Universe while Batman and Supes are part of the DC Universe....that sort of thing).

Jersey Girl is outside of all this. I heard it was pretty good, but all that Bennifer bullshit did it in....not to mention Gigli.
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#109219
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Star Wars references in other movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109219/action/topic#109219
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Not to digress on KS too much, but I find him a really odd nut- the dialogue in his films wavers from brilliant and hilarious to mediocre and several articles on a variety of subject that he's written have been very good as well. BUT, that said, I've heard mixed reviews for his comics work (I've never read any of his) and it seems if he strays too far from 'genre' he created in his firest few films his work gets worse.


Well....an example of his comic book writing is the Green Arrow series he did. I'm not a fan of Green Arrow and don't know much about GA, so I can't judge on how the character should have been written. But the series did have appearences by a whole host of other DC Comics characters.....one was Batman. And believe me....I KNOW Batman......my closet is filled to the ceiling with Batman comics. Star Wars and Batman have been my two great interests. And I have to say that KS wrote the most abysmal Batman you could ever read in your life. He had Batman sounding like Mr. Spock!!! I remember one scene goes something like this....

One character: How long did it take you to figure that one out, Bats?
Batman: It took me exactly 1.35 seconds.

I read that and said WTF!!!!!!!
Batman does not talk like that and NEVER talked like that.

So, if he writes anything for the SW TV show....consider yourselves warned!!!

He has yet to do a film that is outside of his genre.....which is these quirky kind of dialogue driven comedies.
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#109201
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Star Wars references in other movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109201/action/topic#109201
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Absolutely great scene... made even more funny when you consider GL later decided that people/things from the planet Naboo- instead of being 'Nabooian' or 'Nabian'- were instead 'nubian'! Adds a whole new dimension!


I saw Chasing Amy after I had seen Episode 1, but when I heard it in Amy, it clicked right away. So GL must be a KS fan of sorts....

I just hope the rumors are false about KS working on the SW TV Show. KS is good in his own genre, but he sucks when he tried to write comics.
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#109192
Topic
Star Wars references in other movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109192/action/topic#109192
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Chasing Amy (another Kevin smith movie....actually, every KS film is loaded with SW stuff)
There's a part in the beginning where Hooper-X is doing a discussion panel at a comic convention. Then Ben Affleck heckles him from the audience..."That's a bunch of horseshit....Lando Calrissian was a black guy and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon!!!"

What follows is the absolutely funniest Star Wars references I have ever heard.....

"What's a nubian?"


Explorers (another 80s sci-fi kid movie)
One of the kids put on this mask that makes him look a little like Vader and he uses his flashlight like a lightsaber.