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#1368538
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Inquiry: Uncompressed 4K77 frames from one shot
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I am trying a experiment and it would be extremely helpful to have the highest quality sources to try it. If anyone from TN1 could PM me and let me borrow the original 4K uncompressed image files for the scene around 3:30 to 3:40 on 4K77.

That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all help 😃

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#1367585
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Mos Eisley - Restored Sequence (up on youtube)
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I decided I wanted to use the new 4K blurays to improve the infamous Mos Esiley panning wide shot. But before I did I decided to look and see if anyone else has attempted it. And someone else has with really good results!

https://youtu.be/Yc9A54WgTrc

Comparing it with the shot in Harmys 2.5 the difference is quite amazing.

Does anyone know who this person is? Are they apart of TN1? Could anyone help get them in contact with Harmy to help on V3.0? I think this would be a huge upgrade to that scene.

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#1366979
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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CatBus said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

bttfbrasilfan said:

https://youtu.be/pdh-29ZRUUA

Maybe this technique will work great to remove grain and enhance detail in shots that don’t have too much motion?

Why would we want to remove grain? The UHD is already overly grain “managed”.

When you mix 4K77 (heavy grain) and the UHD (little/frozen grain), something’s gotta give or they won’t blend seamlessly. A mixture of degraining and fake grain is pretty much inevitable at some level.

Exactly, when you’re combining (what is effectively) a first-gen camera negative (UHD) with a 4th gen release print (4K77). You need to compromise.

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#1364938
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

Brodnation said:

DrDre said:

I’ve updated the Leia vs Vader sequence to get a better separation between Leia’s creme colored dress and the bluish green walls:

That looks pretty good but a tinge too warm for my taste. I set the gray point corrector in Photoshop using the gray trim on the pipes in the first shot and got something I think is a little closer to how it looked.

Edit: For some reason, that tool also lowered the blacks a bit so keep that in mind. This is just a idea

The lights are supposed to be yellowish, so the slight warmth is to be expected, but I get what you mean. Those pipes are actually creme colored, so they are not a good gray reference. Here’s how the scene roughly looks on the Derann prints:

Ok, that makes sense. So far I have been very impressed with your gradings so don’t let me slow you down. They look fantastic! I will definitely keep this thread on watch to follow your great work 😃

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#1364916
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

I’ve updated the Leia vs Vader sequence to get a better separation between Leia’s creme colored dress and the bluish green walls:

That looks pretty good but a tinge too warm for my taste. I set the gray point corrector in Photoshop using the gray trim on the pipes in the first shot and got something I think is a little closer to how it looked.

Edit: For some reason, that tool also lowered the blacks a bit so keep that in mind. This is just a idea

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#1364677
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

J0E said:

Darth Lucas said:

While I think it’s looking pretty darn great so far, I think I ought to throw my two cents into the teal walls debate. I’m sure some of it would have been visible in '77, but it would have been projected with very warm bulbs, which would have counteracted the teal in the walls a bit, not a ton, but a bit. I don’t have much of a preference, as I think either way is going to be “accurate” in one sense or another. However, I do think you’ve gone a bit overboard on that teal look in certain shots. For instance, I’m seeing quite a bit of teal in Leia’s dress in some of those shots, which I don’t think would have been the case. It may have picked up a bit from the walls around the edges of her dress, but it’s not reflective enough of a material, I think, to have the wall color drastically affect our perception of the dress color itself.

Just a little nitpick, but I think it’s worth addressing.

The teal walls may have been painted like that so they’d show up as a cool white on film. Like how the Superman suit was teal so it would look blue on film. IMHO set photos as a color reference isn’t always accurate when it comes to movies shot on film. A lot of things are colored a certain way on set so they appear the way the director wants them to look projected.

That’s why I only use set photos to support what is seen on film, and what is seen on film both on the frames, and projected is a bluish green color for the walls with creme colored panels.

Projected Derann print:

Despecialized 3.0:

That 3.0 Color grading looks absolutely dead on to me! Great job Dre!

Also speaking of projection bulbs, do slide bulbs yellow too? Or just 35mm bulbs?

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#1363587
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Bluto said:

It’s a tricky one, but I agree with Hal9000 that looking forwards is key. If there’s (say) a 99% chance that all the frames have now been found from the various 4K prints and UHD/Disney+ editions AND everyone is on board with switching to the new sync format, then I think it’s a really good idea. It would be a nuisance for a short time for the audio people to convert GOUT-synced tracks to the new standard, but afterwards there would be a new “gold” standard for all projects going forwards. (And in the future, the old GOUT-synced tracks would still be available for “legacy” projects such as Harmy’s current DE v2.x editions.)

However, if new frames are going to continue to be discovered every couple of years (*) OR different groups are going to adopt different sync standards, then things will get terribly messy and we probably would be better off just sticking with the GOUT standard.

(*) It is extremely unlikely that there are any more frames out there to be found, according to Team Negative 1.

If someone could document the frame differences between the GOUT to the new 4K Blu-rays and publish all the differences, It would probably be pretty easy to convert GOUT synced elements to the new 4K Blu-rays sync right?

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#1363137
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Brodnation said:

Speaking of Despecialized, Do we know if Harmy is going to use the D+/4K Bluray editions and or the 4K77/4K83 versions for the new editions of the project? Have there been any updates?

That’s precisely what we’re speaking of… UHD BD will be the base for the new Despecialized as I understand.

Ok thanks.

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#1363094
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

Brodnation said:

DrDre said:

Brodnation said:

DrDre said:

The artifacts in the Tatooine shots can be reduced:

I think this is a bit better, what do you think?

It looks good, but these scenes did not have bright blue skies originally, so I will try to keep the colors reasonably consistent with the print references.

Fair enough, all your other grading look absolutely fantastic. Glad I was able to give my perspective. Keep up the great work!

Here’s a slight update of the C-3PO/R2-D2 desert scene:

Looks great to me!

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#1362959
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

Brodnation said:

DrDre said:

The artifacts in the Tatooine shots can be reduced:

I think this is a bit better, what do you think?

It looks good, but these scenes did not have bright blue skies originally, so I will try to keep the colors reasonably consistent with the print references.

Fair enough, all your other grading look absolutely fantastic. Glad I was able to give my perspective. Keep up the great work!

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#1297532
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The Beatles - Preserving Unaltered Beatles in Mono (Released)
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JayArgonaut said:

Brodnation said:

I have the Ortofon 2M Blue. It’s a mid range moving magnet cartridge.
I really like it

Edit: Bronze
The Ortofon Bronze.
Sorry I forgot cause its
my new cart. Had the blue for so long. Sorry

Good choice. 😃

I’m looking forward to listening to your handiwork. Thanks for your efforts with this.

Well I thought it would be a nice treat for the community. I also have the red wax. Which were AAA Mono represses done in the 80s from new solid state cuts. They have a very dynamic sound. It’s a matter of personal preference but they still sound great.