Darth Sadifous said:
Sheev seems genuinely surprised Kylo and Rey are a dyad in the force, yet Snoke says he bridged their minds and seems to have a better grasp of their force link then “The Senate”.
Pretty sure Snoke was just lying about that
By the canon of this cut, she heard Anakin’s voice and felt a connection with him during the fight against Palpatine, so I think it’s something you could get away with if done tastefully.
Plus, he literally endorses her in a sort of psuedo-chosen one way, so as controversial as it is, his connections to her keeps the prophesy more relevant while still letting fans decide for themselves who precisely the chosen one could be (as there are still different interpretations out there, when it could be argued that the chosen one is the entire family line from him onwards, of which Rey is adopted into).
+1000
Just seeking some clarification after watching the newest workprint (which is exceptional). Is there still a plan for Ben to be incorporated as a force ghost with Luke and Leia at the end of the film? I think this is an absolute must in my opinion. I had already seen a few mockups on youtube with him inserted. Is anyone in particular working on this or willing to take it up? I wish I had the skills to pull off such an endeavor, but no doubt in my mind the talent on here can pull if off for sure! Keep up the great work everyone and thanks for everything Hal.
+1000 extremely vital. While we’re at it, I’d LOVE to see Anakin with those three too. The Skywalker family 😃
I think the rambling is just as pointless as “power converters” or “moister vaporators” or “speaking boche” or “thermal oscillator” or “compressor adding stress on the hyperdrive” or “GIVE ME THE HYDROSPANER!”
When audiences see the original film they see the Falcon flying into different parts of space rabidly and they hadn’t seen that before (set aside that it’s stupid). The question is then “what is that??”
Answer in the film and canon; Lightspeed skipping
When watching the film now with Lightspeed skipping removed we see the falcon punch through a solid object while moving into hyperspace, something we have never seen before.
Question. “Didn’t the last time we see a ship fly into something at Lightspeed it destroy almost a whole fleet? Why doesn’t this maneuver destroy the falcon?Answer: “you Lightspeed skipped? You can’t Lightspeed skip the Falcon!”
The audience now knows that the maneuver Poe and company did by punching threw the ice wall is different and a risky maneuver with an in-universe name. With a simple line of technobabble the question is settled. Without it, the question remains, “why were they able to punch through the ice wall?”
If we had not seen the act of Lightspeed skipping before, if we didn’t have that context, I don’t think that line would be in contention at all.
I understand everyone’s reasoning, I’m sorry that I’m harping on it I mean no offense, just want to explain my thinking. The added bonus is retaining one of the very few interactions we have between Finn and Rey.
+1
Hal, I know this is a long shot but would you consider rendering a version of your final edit with that Lightspeed skip conversation intact? I could host it on my own google drive since I understand space is getting low on yours?
+1
That’s what I’ve been thinking about a lot. I don’t have the hardware or the software to try to add things back into the edit when it’s completed that didn’t bother me and I think are necessary (pretty much just the Lightspeed skipping conversation)
Honestly though I think if you showed the scene with a reference to Lightspeed skipping to anyone who hasn’t seen the movie before they wouldn’t think it was anything bother than what they saw
How did I forget about adding the lightspeed skipping scene back in? Lol, it’s one of my favorite scenes in the movie
Just realized that since I’m planning on adding a few things back in that were cut (Rey and Finn’s chat about Poe at the start, Rey holding the dagger to see the Throne Room location, etc.) I’m going to need to match them in color correction. How would I do that on my own? I’m pretty inexperienced in video editing
Here’s an old test from the last time we hashed this out, using the music intended for TFA that was replaced with Burning Homestead:
I even tried to see if it could be put back into that moment in TFA, but it would affect sync in order to do and I am not willing to go through all that it would take to do another update to that project. Plus not everyone watching will have the whole 9000 setup.
Gotta be honest that doesn’t fit the scene IMO
There’s not a problem with the music chosen for that scene, what is a bit irking to some is that immediately after it plays it plays again.
Exactly- Very fitting for the Rey and the Force ghosts, not fitting for rocks crushing Sith loyalists and Star Destroyers blowing up
Another solution (because Burning Homestead admittely sounds epic) could be changing the music that plays over the destruction of the Sith temple - as I said before, it’s already canned music from another movie.
^ Good idea. I just rewatched this scene in the workprint and while the music cue is very fitting for the Force ghosts arriving, it’s just tiring/meaningless having it play again right after Palpatine dies.
Personally I don’t think there’s any music that could be more fitting than Burning Homestead for all of the Force ghosts returning in one final climax to help destroy Palpatine. It’s basically the Force theme- the perfect choice!
And while the opening straight to Mustafar is cleaner and paced better, I’d stick with keeping Mustafar. I love the idea of Kylo going there and will take any version of it even if it’s messy
StarkillerAG said:
I think the full de-blue is too much, but the 50% version looks nice. It fits more with my expectations of what a Force Ghost should look like.
Fully agreed- 50% deblue + LUT is by far the best. It’s the perfect blend between looking “real” but still having that slight blue glow… and you’re so right haha, the original looks even more ridiculous now
De-blue Luke is cool but too de-blued IMO. In most scenes, he looks like he’s actually physically there and just glowing white. Really good edit though
Anakin Starkiller said:
Could you post a link to it? I think Battle of the Heroes would be more fitting to emphasize the water/lava parallel.
Battle of the Heroes is my favorite duel and soundtrack- I agree that it’s very fitting for both fights with the parallels. I’m a big fan of this edit:
The track actually lines up really well 😄
I hadn’t seen those de-blued Lukes before! Looks wonderful
^ Agreed. Feels a bit rude but I’m not a fan of recent different Naboo shot
Haven’t seen this clip brought up but it seems to have used the entire Palpatine message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FfM6aTweKI&list=LLuKR3QFH_O2R24jBkSEKM9g&index=3
Not that I think it should go at the end of TLJ, but there was some debate here about whether the entire message could be used (which I support 😃 )
Not to speak for Hal but this feels like a continuation and conclusion of his own ST edits in and of themselves, not necessarily the theatrical versions. Which I think everyone is doing a fairly good job of respecting thus far.
I think there’s an important balance to be found. It’s good that the three edits flow together well but IMO each one should be able to fit in fine with the other theatrical movies
^ Bespin, Coruscant, Naboo, and Jakku is a decent selection
I hate to say it but I’ve gotta agree with Axlos… the new Naboo shot is a bit strange. The smoke looks fake and the ship is falling too fast. It’s a good start though 😃
I think it would flow better if Coruscant and Naboo were switched. Having two sunsets back to back subconsciously implies close proximity of the planets (something that’s rife in the sequel trilogy). Also, if you switch them, we go from the bright centre of the universe to Jakku (nowhere) reminiscent of Luke’s comment in ANH.
This makes sense to me. I believe it would be more cathartic if the music swell matched the last time we see Coruscant and the Jedi Temple.
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I get that Luke and Rey used it for extended periods of time, I just think it’s strange to call it their’s when Anakin also used it and built it. If all three used it, why wouldn’t the named ownership go to the one who built it and first used it? This makes even more sense given that Luke and Rey both built their own sabers.
Has it been considered to change all of the dialogue about Anakin’s saber to reflect that it’s his? For example, Maz’s line in TFA is fine: “That lightsaber belonged to Luke, and his father before him” but there are lines in TROS that call it Luke’s when it’s, well, not. Luke built his own. For example, when Rey tells Leia “I will earn your brother’s saber” could brother somehow be replaced with father?
I agree that’s a message to take away from TLJ, but there’s something to be said about honoring the past too.
Feels important to mention that one of my biggest problems with TROS was the lazy return of Anakin’s saber and I suggested the crackle idea lol
Hoop28, the most recent workprint included color correction. An example of what the goal was can be found here: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7DDY7NNX
Although some people find the color correction to be a bit overly red-tinted in some scenes