Bobson Dugnutt

benduwan said:

that rocks bobson.
will you do this with anh scenes too and upgrade your anh edit??
thanks

My current SW77 edit is only the Biggs scenes, and I’m still really happy with that cut I did back in 2018. If anything, I’ll go back and do both an expanded cut based on the TC, and then a “”“”“”““Lost Cut””“”“”“”" that restructures it based on the Fourth Draft. Due to the sheer amount of B/W footage in the extended Cantina scene, I’d have to consider what to use and what not to use ultimately. Jenny is an absolute yes though.

Tack said:

This is just amazing. There’s the same kind of giddiness involved as when the deleted scenes were first unveiled. The idea that the films you enjoyed could be given a totally new but old look. And I think in some ways, the deleted scenes of ESB are even more mysterious than the ones from SW77, just because of the glimpses the trailers and tie-in media give.

Thank you! I wasn’t too familiar with how much was cut before I started digging in. As for the first SW, we basically know exactly how much was cut and about 90% of the most remarkable footage has shown up. As for ESB and ROTJ, not so much.

Tack said:

If only we had access to some other remarkable trims, like the cut Cloud City bluescreen footage or the complete Wampa attack footage (which, apparently according to Star Wars Aficionado and JW Rinzler, was filmed). Special editions be damned! This should be the alternative!

All the Wampa stuff was absolutely filmed, as bad as it all looks. Damn shame they didn’t put all of it out.

I haven’t heard of the bluescreen stuff actually being shot, I’m assuming you mean the balcony scene, which was dropped due to VFX limitations and filming scheduling problems. But there is a lot of bits and pieces missing entirely.

Here’s a before and after of the new lightsaber training. There’s no soundmix yet, the music is just temporary. I’m very happy with how the colourisation came out.

https://vimeo.com/698967441

EvantheKidDS said:

This is just a thought but, I was thinking about something.

ANH:R > Native 1080p

ESB:R > Upscaled 1080p

ROTJ:R > Native 1080p

A full first pass on the Bacta scene has been done.

https://vimeo.com/697872522

theprion said:

Personally I’m in favor of keeping the Cloud City establishing shots to theatrical, just so it doesn’t look too slick or modern in contrast to the grindhouse flair

I’ve got a 35mm scan of the 97SE, and it honestly doesn’t stick out too much. I might put it back in unless there is a violent uprising against it.

Here’s a first pass at the first half of the Bacta scene. I’m not 100% happy with it yet, but it’s shaping up.

https://vimeo.com/697805495

A little colour test

RogueLeader said:

With the bacta tank scene, without having to recolorize the scene, I wonder if you could make the shot blue or red, whichever color you make the bacta, to make it seem like the bacta tank is just bathing the room in whatever color it is. You could then just rotoscope and recolor a few different color lights in the shot, like R2’s lights, 3PO’s eyes, some of the lights on the back wall. Might not look right but just an idea.

This idea had reminded me of TMBTM’s War of the Stars II: The Future in Motion, which he had taken a similar approach to the scene.

https://vimeo.com/697715624

And it turns out, he had also edited a version of the Wampa attack, quite brilliantly I might say, incorperating a few of the Special Edition shots and some great new VFX and innovative editing.

https://vimeo.com/697715216

I would love to edit together something similar to this, but obviously slightly differently. This is a great use of existing footage to reshape it into something new. I highly reccomnend both War of the Stars I and II for this.

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, I feel like you could reconstruct Veer’s death scene with a lot of material that’s already in the movie. You could reuse a Snowspeeder model crashing/burning shot (or pull one from BTS material, key out the blue screen and find a new background), and the AT-AT animatics are almost exactly like the shots of the AT-AT Luke destroys, so you could reuse those shots (and flip/crop them maybe). Then the only shots you would need to recolor would be the shot of Veers/walker pilots raising their hands up, and maybe that quick shot of Hobbie. Both shots are pretty short. But I could understand not wanting to put that back in.

I managed to find this on my HDD, with a version of Veers dying being remade with footage only from the final film. Could prove to be something similar to your ideas.

https://vimeo.com/697716347

The AT-AT falling over in the final film, was originally shot for the Veers death, but then used for Luke’s bombing when Hobbie’s suicide was later cut.

RogueLeader said:

Luke’s saber training is a pretty cool little scene, so I think it would be worth messing around with!

Since lightsaber VFX is the most common thing that is done in After Effects, it shouldn’t be too hard to do, just might be a little finicky to get it to perfectly line up with the sabers from the rest of the film.

RogueLeader said:

Are you also planning to add in the extra Luke training scene, or extended Leia taking care of Luke scene during the Bespin escape?

I’ve got the Luke/Leia scene in place, but it needs a lot of audio work for it to even slightly match up.

https://vimeo.com/697690940

The Luke training scene is incomplete, since not all of it was shot. It would need some saber VFX, Yoda dub, some Luke breaths and complete soundscape done. Not impossible, but I can look into it. It’s the only training he does with the lasersword so it would be worthwhile.

Pablo Hidalgo said:
The scene was never finished. It only consisted of a close-up shot of Yoda and the bar, and then a medium shot of Luke swinging. It was shot MOS (without sound). As far as our archivists can tell, there was no reaction shot, no shot of the split bar, or no shot of Yoda explaining the setup, so it could have been scheduled for pickups, and then ultimately cut from the movie before they ever got to it.

Lawrence Kasdan’s Fourth Draft said:
306X. EXT BOG CLEARING – SWAMP – DUSK – DAGOBAH
Luke runs through the dense jungle on the last leg of what must have been quite a marathon. Yoda rides in a pouch on Luke’s back. The young apprentice is sweaty and exhausted. He stumbles into the clearing where Artoo has been patiently waiting. As Luke is about to collapse, Yoda throws a small metal bar in front of him. Luke ignites his laser sword and swings at it. He missed and the bar falls to the ground. Luke does too.

LUKE (breathless): I can’t… Too tired.
YODA: It would be in seven pieces, were you a Jedi.
LUKE (gasping): I thought I was in good shape.
YODA: Yes, but by what standard, ask I? Forget your old measures. Unlearn, heh, unlearn.

RogueLeader said:

I’m sure recolorizing the extended Han and Leia kiss scene was a pain the ass, but I’m curious if you’re planning to do the same to any other black and white scenes. To be honest I’m not completely familiar with all of the deleted ESB material.

There’s a B/W scene as the gang visits Luke while he is in the Bacta Tank. I actually had a go this morning trying to colourise it, but there is almost no colour reference for anything in that scene, so I had to forego trying it. I did half of one shot before giving up.

https://youtu.be/p0Aoc4X9vMk?t=265

The death of General Veers by Hobbie’s suicide is also only B/W, but features animatics in place of VFX. It could be done since there is reference for what the shot is supposed to look like, but it’s probably not going back in.

https://youtu.be/p0Aoc4X9vMk?t=471

As for whatever is in ROTJ as people have asked, there is an extended Rancor pit sequence, with Luke jumping up to the viewing grate, the Emperor demanding the destruction of the Endor Moon, an extended attack on the 2nd Death Star, more Rebel fighter pilots, and lastly an extended goodbye between Han and Lando. The last one is already being worked on by another user on the site though.

erichf69 said:

Here is what is done so far:
https://i.imgur.com/4xQk10g.mp4

The one scene I could see myself attempting is the Emperor calling for the DS.

RogueLeader said:

A part of me feels like it would make sense to only use footage shot during the original production of the film, rather than Special Edition material, but that is up to you. If you went that route, I wonder if you should go ahead and use all of the extra Special Edition material.

Some of it is cool, but I wouldn’t use stuff like the new Wampa or the citizens of Cloud City. It would be the new approach to CC, extended Lando opening the Falcon hatch, and maybe the clip before Han and Leia talk, with the speeders flying around. I’d have to look around.

RogueLeader said:

I definitely think it is worth keeping the scene. I would say the more deleted scenes you can fit in the better! What is the continuity issue you’re referring to?

It’s hard to place the scene since it’s not in any draft of the script but I figure it’s after Leia Lando and Chewie get in the elevator.
But the Lobot scene is on the same set as the crew getting into the elevator. So the scene doesn’t make sense in the space, since they get in the elevator, then Lobot gets off on the same floor which is now empty, then opens the door, and then Lando comes out from around a corner and runs to this door.
It makes it seem like they got off on the same floor or something.
If I can figure out how to cut it and make sense, I’ll use it but it’s a mindfuck. Thanks for your in depth notes though, they’re very helpful to how it could be cut.

Here’s an extra shot of Boba Fett in the Carbon Freezing chamber, with some new music mixed in. I’m not 100% happy with it but that’s fine.

https://vimeo.com/697684916

I’m also considering using some Special Edition footage from a 1997 35mm scan, mainly the extended approach in Cloud City, but is there any other footage I should desperately use?

Tack said:

Fantastic work! Amazingly, the skin tones look pretty natural, which is always where colorization efforts fail.

It was a pain to get right and took me the longest time out of any part of the frame.

Here’s a new cut of the Vader surpise. It’s not longer, but there’s two new angles integrated in.

https://vimeo.com/697615472

I’m also having trouble working out where the Lobot capture scene should go, or even if I should use it. The missing slug of footage doesn’t let it work quite well and the continuity of the final film doesn’t really work out.

I think this is the final version of the colourised Han/Leia kiss. Or at least I’m sick of looking at it.

https://vimeo.com/696986729

NeverarGreat said:

Alec Guinness did say at the time that the Battle of Yavin ran about five minutes too long.

I can’t believe he saw SW Revisited and had that to say about it. What a critic.

this is getting out of hand, now there are duplicate posts

Tack said:

Hey, Bobson! I think you’re on to something cool here, and a bunch of the clips look fantastic so far, but I think you’re using certain bits in ways that aren’t quite accurate. For example, I think that bit with the probe coming to camera through the flames isn’t supposed to be right after it crashes. I think it’s pretty clearly the scene from the script where the Probot wipes out a Rebel outpost before Han and Chewie are sent out to deal with it. I think that’s why the wreckage is pretty clear in frame. The actual destruction of the base is off-screen in the fifth draft, and the shot of the aftermath that it describes is almost exactly like this shot from the eBook.

And right you are! After looking at the 4th and 5th draft, and seeing this line, looks like the probe does attack an outpost.

The “Trooper Voice” is missing in the final cut, but there is around 7 seconds where I could dub the voice back if I could. I think it would slot right back in, and then with the clip of the Probot firing right after.

Tack said:

Secondly, I think your edit of the Echo Base Wampa attack is a bit wonky on the continuity. Granted, the footage as presented isn’t exactly the most easy stuff to work with, but I think it’s very clear to see the shot from the finished film of the ice crumbling onto R2’s head is what segued into the wall collapsing, and then lead to him getting locked in the corridor. The scene of him peaking from the wall occurs during the troopers fighting the Wampa off in the script, and at this point I would say having the sound of the Wampa being defeated over this shot is probably the best bet with the available footage. It’s hard to say if the scene’s scripted finale, with the Wampa being defeated by some large gattling-gun style blaster, was ever filmed, but my money is on no.

And one last thing, I think a lot of the shots of the actual Wampa suit during the attack scene were probably shot just for safety. The script describes quick snippets all until you see the corpse on the floor at the very end.

I honestly might just cut the whole thing, I think there is enough set up with the shot during the Han/Leia argument and C-3PO mentioning the ice monster in the Medical Bay. The Wampa attack just doesn’t have a real conclusion, it just needed like 2 shots of the soldier firing the Bazooka and the Wampa going down. I could dub the scene or something but it’s hard to work with the very limited footage.

Tack said:

Good luck on this! I think you may try perusing the sound effects wiki for the sound design question. In 1979, Burtt would still be using stock effects as well as his own recordings.

I didn’t know about this website but it’s very helpful

https://soundeffects.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:Episode_V-The_Empire_Strikes_Back(1980)/Sound_Effects_Used/Alphabetically

I’ve also got a whole stack of SFX I got from ‘The Sounds of Star Wars’ book which I’ve already used to mix a few things.

Darth telly said:

What is the 1999 opening?

The opening of the movie, set in 1999

Darth telly said:

Also do we have a list of changes?

Longer scene with Dr Wu in 1999, a scene after Tony threatens the Mandarin on TV with Dr Wu watching it on TV, and a longer ending with Wu talking to JARVIS and his assisant about the surgery.

I’ve got the boxset and it’s only a portion of the full ending. There’s still about 2 or 3 other scenes that appear dotted through the rest of the film. One is in the 1999 opening, and the other two are elsewhere, I forget the specifics.

And also an quick integration of the deleted moment into the full scene

https://vimeo.com/695638565

RogueLeader said:

Wow, that is a really impressive attempt.

Thank you! It’ll just need some more individual and specific colour fixes before I’m happy with it. I’m shocked it turned out so well for a rough pass.

A bit of fun, here’s what the first frame looked like with only my paint on it.

An attempt at using EBsynth and After Effect’s colour blending to colourise the alternate Han/Leia Kiss

https://vimeo.com/695607436

alexp120 said:

To: Bobson Dugnutt

I feel that you should release the deleted-scenes only, as you did for ‘Star Wars: Leftovers’, without doing an extended edit.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Leftovers-A-Collection-of-Raw-Footage-and-Deleted-Scenes-Released/id/82752

I’m sure that you have a lot of other projects that you want to do, so let someone else use the collection of deleted scenes to produce their own polished fan-edit of ESB.

😉

https://vimeo.com/695385372

Slavicuss said:

Are you going to use the bounty hunter footage, from the 40th Anniversary videos?

Annoyingly, there’s a lot of missing frames, that’s impossible to fix.

A pity, as the scene would fit in nicely with the surrounding material.

https://vimeo.com/695381353

I’ve started using the standard Renegade Grindhouse and it’s a pretty good fit for the dallies and deleted scenes.

Here’s some new comparison shots and a regraded version of the MedBay scene

https://vimeo.com/695313927

I’ve been using D+80 for the time being, but I know I’ll have to swap it for something. What’s the best project or scan to use that roughly matches up with the quality of the deleted scenes? I’m leaning towards something like the Fuji Grindhouse or something but I’m not an expert on ESB scans like I am with SW

BedeHistory731 said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

KumoNin said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

ADDITIONS (so far)

Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉

It’s in B/W, so I’ll probably save it for a 2nd version of this project. But yes I do like that alt version of the scene.

Thank goodness the most important section, “OK, hotshot!” is in color.

It’s in one of the 40th Anniversary videos which is good, but it could be tricky cutting it into the long take.

KumoNin said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

ADDITIONS (so far)

Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉

It’s in B/W, so I’ll probably save it for a 2nd version of this project. But yes I do like that alt version of the scene.

NeverarGreat said:

Do we know what dialogue was intended for the Wampa attack?

There’s only one line of dialogue, and that comes at the end of the scene, so I could dub it if I wanted to considering their mouths are off screen.

timdiggerm said:

I’m really impressed that there’s as much material for the Wampa stuff as you even have here!

Yeah there’s shocking a lot of the unused Wampa footage out there. There’s a longer version of Luke escaping the cave that I probably use but is very cool.

RogueLeader said:

This is really cool to see! What sources have you been pulling from so far?

Deleted Scenes from the 2011 set, Rinzler eBook, Empire of Dreams, 40th Anniversary Videos, Michel Parbot Making of, Sounds of Star Wars book, Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel, trailers, 2004 DVD Outtakes, and anything else I can get my hands on.