Can I have a link to this please.
The link I have doesn’t seem to work, could someone send me a link of the latest version?
I guess I should probably be more open about this; I haven’t been working on this at all since April/May.
I’m still sending out links to the workprint, (just sent a few today actually) but it’s looking less likely than ever that I’ll ever go back and “finish it.” I use quotations because for the most part, I think I’ve more or less done what I wanted to do. But the audiovisual quality, as well as an array of minor issues, really hold it back for me from being final final. It’s like 720p stereo, and color graded by an overzealous 22 year old.
I don’t know. I’m too burnt out now to revisit it, even to just walk back one line of added dialogue or fix a 3PO line overlapping itself. And I don’t want to lose another day of access to my computer to export a higher quality file that I’ll end up wanting to tweak again and so on and so forth. The way this project was set up is also a nightmare in the first place. I’ve grown so much as an editor since I started, and this was pretty early on in that journey. I’ve basically been fighting my past self to even get the more recent stuff out.
So, forever “unfinished” unless I change my mind when Star Wars Ep X comes around. But that’s not a huge deal because it was basically done anyway. I just wish that it was available in a way people could use my choices for their own edits. I really do.
I want to thank Hal, snooker, Mithrandir, Artan42, Octorox, sade1212, RogueLeader, IlFaneditore, Delpheas, etc, etc for contributing a lot to this project and helping me out. (God, I’m leaving out so many rn) And thanks to basically anyone who watched any of the thousand versions or showed interest. This doesn’t exist without all your contributions to the fanediting community in the first place. Sorry I couldn’t keep loving Star Wars.
‘Finished finished’ or not, it’s still one of the best fan edits of the best SW film I’ve come across and comes the closest to what I would want to do if I had any actual editing skill. Thanks for doing it.
Just be be safe, can you send me a link to the most up to date version please. I have a bad habit of keeping a lot of versions of fanedits around and I don’t want to have missed the most complete version.
Otherwise, just take the break and see what happens next.
Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.
Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.
(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)
Wait, why are you blaming Rian Johnson for that? Rian Johnson didn’t do that, lol. Rian Johnson was not involved in bringing back Palpatine, lol.
On the subject: Sith can’t persist as bodyless spirits, but they can persist if bound to objects or host bodies (and host bodies is something literally only Palpatine has ever achieved, and only through what he’d learned from Plaguis before turning on him), though it’s an extremely unpleasant ‘existence’.
Anyway, there’s a difference between reaching into the netherworld of the force and making brief contact with old friends, long gone, than a ghost manifesting in the material world, a la what Obi-Wan, Yoda, and eventually Luke and Leia learned.
Meant jj, my bad. But still stand by my comment since jj didn’t watch previous Star Wars stuff.
The same Abrams who was such a huge Star Wars fan the whining Trek fanbois complain he’d inserted too much SW in their ST? The Same Abrams who basically cloned ANH when making TFA? The same Abrams who only took the ST gig in the first place because he thought it was as close as he’d get to directing his SW? That Abrams? And you think he’s never seen SW.
Not to mention that, as far as the films and TV series are concerned, neither the Sith or Jedi know how to live past death. Plagueis was working on it and Qui-Gon discovered it (slightly too late). The fact that Palps worked it out by the time of RotJ is no more surprising than Qui-Gon working it out after he’d already died.
Palps cheating death is not only perfectly in line with all material relating to the Force from every previous film and series, but it’s a direct copy of basically every post RotJ EU comic or book for decades before Lucas sold SW. (I’m not saying I like it, it kinda breaks the whole ‘chosen one’ prophecy, but hey, missread it may have been and all that).
Oh, and it is absolutely impossible to ‘break canon’. A canon is nothing more than a group of works under a common banner that need to have nothing in common other than the IP owners have grouped them together. What you’re trying to say is it breaks continuity, a completely separate concept (and also incorrect, continuity is fully maintained).
I quite like the idea of the First Order being either the military of the New Republic or a splinter group of it. Them using very Imperial style weapons, ships, and uniforms is sensible considering that the the New Republic would likely have just taken control of all remaining Imperial assets. Plus it ties the New Republic back to the CW era Republic where the white armoured minions and Star Destroyers originated. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
It would also help sell the idea that the Rebellion/Resistance is the only faction that isn’t a cesspool of corruption and decay (unlike the Republic, Confederacy, Empire, New Republic/First Order, or Hutts). It was always (or at least after the PT came out) daft that the Rebellion wanted to restore the Republic, an organisation that was just as feted as the Confederacy, rather than building something new.
It would have fit nicely with the ‘Let the Past Die’ thing and Luke’s potential moving of Ray away from the Jedi Order into something new, as both the Jedi Order and the Sith are another set of factions that need to be left in the past as their flaws are beyond repair.
New scene from Anakin looking at the sunset.
A younger Count Dooku in TPM.
Is this … the ultimate version of the prequels?
Another dreaded “Special Edition” lol Gotta include some random creatures walking past the screen and blocking out everything
Make sure you edit the Trade Federation doors to be three times larger on the outside than they are on the inside as well then.
Anakin Starkiller said:
One more thing, I’d love it if upon regenerating, Hartnell glowed yellow, despite the rest of the show being black and white. Would be visually striking and a nice nod to the Modern Series.
I was hoping we’d get that in Twice Upon a Time’, either refilmed with Bradley or colourised and enhanced footage of Hartnel. They teased it several times with the golden wisps coming from his hands but we never got as far as seeing the full thing.
I’m enjoying all this technical detail. I have no bloody clue what is being said (it may as well be in Klingonese for all I know) but it looks like there’s several people who really know what needs to be done here.
As for CBS, every time somebody uploads a test video, I go watch a couple of episodes on Netflix. I think it’ll be the viewing figures for DS9 and VGR that make the case to CBS that they might have to pull their fingers out eventually as they’ll be the only two of the nine produced TV shows without a HD release.
I’ve only had time to watch one so far (The Return of Darth Maul) but it’s phenomenally well done. The quality is really high.
Yeah it’d be better to correct RotS to pure white.
I quite like it, the Death Star looks less stark and washed out and the uniforms align more with the rest of the OT (more grey-blue than grey-brown).
the 4K-Version will be ready to upload some time tomorrow,
Excellent, I can’t wait. I’m excited about the potential this project has.
If anyone is interested, I could make a sort of guide on how my workflow goes, if you’d like.
I just have to find the time, for my vacation time is almost over and my dayjob is 12 hours/day.
Glad you like it. Here’s to many more episodes 😃
Without wanting to eat into time you use for processing the actual episodes, I would like to see that. Beyond just general sharpening I have no idea what actually goes into upscaling video.
Hello guys. Great news: I’ve just finished the 4K Preview (first 90 seconds of the pilot) in 4K.
The original post at the beginning has been updated accordingly.
Here the link for the Original SD-File from the NTSC-DVD (67,5 MB) so you can compare:
Here the link for the enhanced and upscaled 4K-File (106 MB):
The 1080p-Version preview is still in the works but should be finished soon, I will also post it here and at the beginning of the topic.
Afterwards the work on the full episode will procede. For the full episode please pm me around the next two days, ok?
Well that’s impressive. It really looks like footage from much later in DS9s run now. If it wasn’t for the black bars preventing widescreen you’d think it was a TNG style remaster.
I defiantly can’t wait for the full pilot.
Edit: the 1080 version looks a little funny in the way it’s enhanced the opening text as it’s cut off the first full stop and some of the letters have a shadowed lines after them. The sharpening on the Cube is also a bit odd in places and I think that’s because it’s made up of a lot of lines which may confuse the AI.
I haven’t noticed these effects on the 4K version.
And as far as hdtv broadcasts go: I have noticed a disturbing trend towards “chopping episodes”.
In the past, it was mostly related to the opening and/or end credits, which was ok I guess. But in the last years or so when I stumbled across an episode and thought “I could watch that again” … I don’t know what they are thinking!
They are editing out lines of dialogue, sometimes complete scenes where there really is no need (no offensive language, nudity or violence).
A few days ago I found Voyagers “Year of Hell” and it had several minutes missing and it whoever edited it did such a clumsy job, even someone who didn’t knew the episode would have noticed that some sentences certainly didn’t end where they did.
But just an hour later I saw some show that depicted a guy who got shot with blood splattering and some boobage … I guess that’s ok then ???
So I have become a bit distrustful of tv broadcasts …
I started watching the remastered TNG and Buffy on Sci-Fi when they started re-airing them here in England, however I picked up they basically cut things out at random episode by episode so I gave up and went back to my DVDs.
It’s not even consistent censorship, some episodes you can say ‘bastard’ and in other episodes, in the exact same context, they cut it.
Perhaps the project “Star Trek Axanar” rings some bells around here, it was a damn disgrace what they did to those people who merely wanted to bring a new chapter to Trek.
Axanar was shut down for using the Star Trek brand to sell extra material, branded items and so on, which they had no right to do. Star Trek Continues was allowed to continue with CBS’ blessing because they never sold an IP they didn’t own.
They also never even had a working script, lied to donators about how much they actually had filmed (the material for the documentary teaser), and funnelled the donated funds into the main guy’s personal studio.
Your concern is valid but Axanar is a terrible example to use as they effectively shut themselves down due to all the fraud.
Toying with the grading for the “Battle of the Heroes”. Trying to get rid of a bunch of the red and make it look more natural. Not final yet.
I’m torn. On the one hand I like it and it helps composite the actors into the background better and gets rid of the unnatural hue they’re bathed in and it looks good. However, on the other hand, I almost prefer the vivid red lava and ash as it has a real feeling of Obi Wan being in a physical hell as well as his emotional hell.
This looks really good. It’s always going to make me sad that the best Star Trek series isn’t going to ever get a HD remaster like TOS and TNG did because all the CGI would need rebuilding. Fan made upscales are about all we can hope for.
I’d be interested to see how your process works on large battle scenes like ‘Sacrifice of Angels’.
Google Drive should be an okay place to host them, it seems to be where a lot of fanedit stuff goes.
I think adding extra color and contrast makes the movie look so much more dynamic and interesting.
Well it certainly makes it very red.
I’ve been able to get around to watching it now and it’s impressive how much the recolouring does for the film. The pacing is good and the removal of the musical numbers helps sell the tension of the Jabba stuff.
Could you PM me a link please?
Now that season 7 is out, do you think Padmé’s line to Anakin at the beginning about “there were rumors that you were killed” should be cut? We see them speak to each other while she’s visibly pregnant in the Bad Batch arc, and it’s established that their communication with each other is a regular thing. Rex even knows what to do without being asked, so it’s happened a lot. If they talk to each other that often, why would Padmé not know if he was dead or not? It’s a minor line, so it can be left in without taking anyone out of the movie, I was just wondering if you were planning to cut it.
If it’s when they’re reunited after he reaches the capital it’s more likely she means rumours he was killed in the giant chaotic space battle directly above her head, not that he’s been killed in the Outer Rim Sieges.
If it is possible.
then cut “henceworth you should be known as darth vader” — therefore cut palpatine rescues anaking on
mustafar, keeps the mystery of vader intact, audience would assume anakin died on mustafar or at least leaves a
questionsmark. Also i think the surprise in rebels with ashoka and vader would be more powerful. Up to discussion is
Whenever this is done in any PT edit it completely ruins the film. There is not a single life form on this planet of nearly 7 billion people who does not know Vader is Anakin. Not one.
The story of RotS is the fall of Anakin Skywalker. If he doesn’t become Vader at the end then he is not fallen enough. The emotional weight in ESB is Luke finding out who his father is, not the audience. And the tragedy of RotS is watching the hero of the Clone Wars fall as low as he does, not to trick the audience into pretending not to know something they already know.
Same with the Rebels connection. It’s Ahsoka who’s shocked by Vader, not the audience, and it would be impossible to manufacture any scenario whereby you could take the emotional weight out of RotS successfully just to serve as a punchline for a little watched show and a decades old film.
Same with Padmé naming her children. There’s also nobody on the planet who doesn’t already know Luke and Leia are twins, all you’re doing by removing that is removing the flow of the story to pretend to preserve a long dead idea of suspense.
It’s manufactured and pointless and worse, breaks up the flow of RotS.
1:55:28 – cut empire scene with vader, palpatine and death star, therefore we got Rogue One
so 1:55:28 end of the movie.>
Maybe mask out the Death Star, but even if it’s not, there’s no need to change this scene. There’s decades of experimentations that need to be done to the Genosion weapon before it reaches the stage seen in Rogue One.
Thank you, MuMu!
So I revisited the preduel Mustafar scene, but decided to go for every idea for it I felt might be too radical to be accomplished, and here’s the result:
ROUGH (like, more than usual) Anakin/Obi-Wan/Padme on Mustafar Clip
I, uh, don’t think it quite works. But I thought I should share it for the good of furthering the community’s collective thinking about how to edit the film.
Rough or not I think the first half works really well.
Having both Padmé and Obi-Wan from the start is good, it allows for a less hostile start, more trust of Anakin, Obi-Wan letting Padmé have a crack at sorting Anakin out, and a less sudden jump to aggression. The addition of ‘no, Anakin. No’ is perfect.
The second half shows Obi-Wan as more reluctant to attack Anakin than Padmé was, and in return, Anakin talks with Obi-Wan for longer than he did Padmé. I like that.
Obi-Wan is stalling in this version, not to save Anakin, but to put off what ‘he’ has to do.
Some more experimentation.
Tried some alternate dialogue instead of silent nodding to replace Yoda’s reused lines in the Windu/Obi/Yoda deleted scene
Not super sure about this but I prefer lines there to nothing. Anything to justify why we saw that minute long piece of a conversation.
Testing an alternate exchange in pre-duel sequence
As sure about this one as I was with “You weren’t there,” which isn’t much (probably more) - but I actually like the context this one creates more than that one - technical stuff aside. ¯\(ツ)/¯ (again, Padme shot credited to the wonderful snooker)
For the first one I think I preferred the nodding. Sometimes words aren’t needed. Both human actors have good enough body language that you can buy their contemplation of the treason they’re suggesting.
For the second one, I’d say it’s near perfect. The volume balancing of the new lines is good, the dialogue flows nicely, and it builds up to a lightsabres drawn fight, rather than starting off with Anakin massively aggressive.
One thing that I have an issue with in the original is Obi-Wan’s line ‘You have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind until now, until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy’. I think the second ‘until now’ is overly theatrical and not really in keeping with how short the other dialogue is. Even in the original, the phrases are short and to the point, but that line is just a bit over the top.