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#1453259
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Well, those shots have all already been done. And that’s okay, since you are far from the first person to submit that idea and I’ve declined to go with it.

Also, here’s the full conference scene, including “Captain Hux,” for everyone’s consideration.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HbFxcA-pHnrmTmZ6VEnVH4SuQ5EMMK1E/view?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1HbFxcA-pHnrmTmZ6VEnVH4SuQ5EMMK1E/view?usp=sharing

I mustn’t be very good at picking up these things but to me it sounds flawless.

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#1446689
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [FOUR episodes upgraded to v2.0, 3/5 seasons released to v1.0]
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EddieDean said:

Hmm.

Thoughts on a possible episode to fit into season two, to give a bit more character balance in a season that slightly needs it:

I’d considered the fun romp of Zillo Beast, despite having some problems with that episode (a useful ion weapon never seen again, plus Palpatine’s malice), but on review it doesn’t feature Ahsoka so it doesn’t satisfy the goal of what I’m looking for in this slot.

The other that I’d considered was Innocents/Liberty of Ryloth, which gives us a bit more tie-ins to later media but isn’t super strong on its own. That doesn’t feature our main guys BUT-

I’ve always liked the crash from Jedi Crash (on Maridun). It’s a great action sequence, Anakin gets injured, and Ahsoka looks after him. That’s a nice bit of growth, though I’d want to trim the episode heavily and mostly ignore the natives (and definitely skip the following episode with the goofy separatist attack). Thematically it would fit with season two, where the impact of the war hits the further corners of the galaxy.

I wonder if I could merge the above two? If I do, it’d definitely end up as two parallel plots, rather than two related plotlines, but it’d give us all our focal characters, and the jeopardy for both storylines could be enhanced by the implicit absence of the other characters. Perhaps the skies that the Jedi cruiser crash in are the skies of Ryloth, with the emergency escape jump that Anakin and Ahsoka take taking them off that battlefield and to a neighbouring planet/system. Then Obi-Wan’s and Mace Windu’s actions would be implicitly strained by the absence of the reinforcements. I might need to do some work to tie the plots together a bit more tightly though, or at least have them reference each other.

I’m not certain this idea is workable, but I think it’s the only worthwhile idea to pursue to potentially satisfy a couple of goals that I have for that part of my series. Worst case, I’ll find I can’t do it, and I’ll just retain Innocents/Liberty as a bonus episode.

I’ll check it out (far later).

(That said, am I moving too far away from established canon by using some of these ideas? I don’t want people to consider TCW:R too deviant to consider it a viable ‘true’ alternative to TCW. I’m not trying to produce ‘an experiment’ with this series, I’m trying to produce ‘TCW if it was made today and with hindsight’)

If it works, I say go for it. Chopping and changing happens all the time in myths and SW is, at it’s root, a mythical arc.

As long as the core storyline is untouched it will be fine. And considering the core storyline is ‘clones fight droids for puppet masters whilst ninja monks chase ninja robots and ninja witched around’ then I doubt there’s anything you could actually do to change the story to the point a casual viewer would notice anything amiss.

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#1444621
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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DZ-330 said:

One thing that’s always erked me was the over the top heavy breathing.

“I… heh. heh. heh… I’m a Jedi.”

I know it’s nitpicky but I think it would make she scene a little more serious if they weren’t as pronounced in the film as they are now.

You’re going to hate a minor Star Wars character called Darth Vader if you’re not a fan of heavy breathing 😄

She’s fighting an immortal space wizard after sustained physical exertion. It’s be far more out of place if she wasn’t breathing heavily. Sure, it breaks the flow of her line a bit, but it’s be ridiculous to remove it considering the circumstances.

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#1444272
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

sidshady12 said:

sherlockpotter said:

New attempt. Lots of clean up done, but it may still need some work, of course.

https://streamable.com/t22rsz

Random fan editor here, had to look up what the original scene was but if you don’t know it’s edited it’s impossible to tell it was, after all, movies do this kind of ADR/audio manipulation in post all the time and we probably don’t even know because we don’t know where to look for spliced audio. I’d say this is good enough to work

I definitely wouldn’t go that far, sid. Try some headphones. It’s pretty close, though.

I’ve not seen the film since it came out and even with headphones I couldn’t tell it was a new line.

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#1442366
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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NeverarGreat said:

You heard it here first, folks. Anakin’s only student being alive and able to confront him is ‘completely unrelated to the story of Vader’s redemption’.

Correct. She tried, she failed, and moved on. Or have you not seen the franchise before?

jedi_bendu said:

I’d love Ahsoka to have been on some kind of spiritual journey for a higher purpose, called away by the Force simply because it isn’t her destiny to help Vader see the light again, but Luke’s.

If we don’t get any kind of explanation like that, yeah I’ll be pissed too.

That already is the explanation. It’s not spelt out because you don’t need that sort of thing spelling out. She tried to redeem Vader and couldn’t so she went off and did other things. Same as Yoda, same as Obi-Wan.

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, Artan’s post practically proves my point, and I’m not even that big on lionizing the characters of the OT.

Artan42 said:
Luckily Ahsoka is there to tie together the much more interesting parts of the saga than ‘whining farmhand tries to make genocidal tyrant good again’ and long may that continue.

Far be it from me to summarize the entire OT, but Luke’s belief in the inherent goodness of his father strikes me as a fairly central takeaway. If that doesn’t appeal to you Artan…maybe Star Wars isn’t your thing?

Sigh, did you bother to read the post or just take my hyperbolic summery as the entire point? Luke and Vader’s story (together) is the OT and nothing else, and you know what, I don’t massively like the OT because I don’t care about Vader in any way, but luckily there’s an entire franchise of much more interesting characters I do watch. So maybe you could read the post again and realise that Luke isn’t important to most of it which was my point and that if a viewer only cares about Luke and Vader then SW is not for them because it only makes up a tiny fraction of it.

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#1442166
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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It’s been a franchise since Splinter of the Mind’s Eye. The word franchise is also utterly unrelated to the word saga other than them both being used for media. And if you think 1978 is an example of ‘modern marketing’ then that’s an… original take.

If you think the presence of interconnected characters ‘ruins’ stories then maybe you want to only watch or read stand-alone media rather than anything with a sequel, prequel, or spin-offs… you know, like Star Wars.

Luke being the only hope against Vader is a mythical thing because Star Wars is a fantasy. Not literally that he’s the only Jedi physically left. Luke (and obviously Leia) are the ones that can defeat Vader because they represent the good in Anakin. It was never about physically being able to defeat him else Yoda would have done so, so Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal, or any number of Jedi knocking around is completely unrelated to the story of Vader’s redemption.

Luckily Ahsoka is there to tie together the much more interesting parts of the saga than ‘whining farmhand tries to make genocidal tyrant good again’ and long may that continue.

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#1442155
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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MalaStrana#2 said:

Artan42 said:

By screen time she’s basically the main character of the franchise

Which is indeed becoming a huge problem in this franchise (no longer a Saga, sadly), creating circumvoluted plot issues. Not really hyped by having more of her 😕

That is exactly what a saga is. Long form stories of mythical characters all connected to each other with plots that are just there for the characters to do impressive things.

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#1442103
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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The proto-Stormtroopers felt really out of place. They don’t look anything like Clone or Stormtroopers. They’d actually have served better in a post-Mandalorian Empire as the transition into the FO Stormtroopers.

It’s even worse because Hunter himself already has the transitional look between the Phase 2 helmet and a Stormtrooper helmet in the same way Colt had the transitional helmet between the Phase 1 and 2 clones.

Other than that, the episode was a really god one. I like them remembering that the Bad Batch (well Echo’s an ARC but they’re basically the same) are commandos and tying them into Gregor and Sev was good.

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#1441171
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Pokémon: The Last Jedi (pre-production)
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CaptainFaraday said:
Those are both really good suggestions for Rey to have. I personally really like Tyranitar, so it would have my vote. What would Kylo have? Maybe Sneasel, and it evolves to Weaville when he declares himself Supreme Leader?

I’m thinking Cubone for Kylo. It’s got the helmet, it’s constantly moping, it’s holding a lightsabre, there’s the dead parents thing, and the Alolan Marowak looks a bit Sith-y.

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#1441075
Topic
Pokémon: The Last Jedi (pre-production)
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Ray needs to start with an Aron or Larvitar. The former has the metal connection (a scrapper) and the latter is a desert dweller (Jakku). They both have dark connotations, and they’re final stages are awesome dinosaurs who deserve plenty of screen time. They can both even mega evolve suitable for facing off against grandpa who clearly uses a Genesect / Mewtwo / or Deoxys.

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#1437906
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I abhor the &quot;X undoes Y's accomplishments&quot; criticism so much.
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Servii said:

Artan42 said:

Servii said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

You see it be used against the sequel trilogy, especially The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker. Even Palpatine’s return is criticized for “undoing the Chosen One accomplishment”… especially when these people are well-aware that Anakin only killed Palps specifically to save Luke.

What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.

The victory of the OT allowed for galactic peace for three decades. People were born and lived in peace because of the achievements of the OT. You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.

Thoughts?

That may be how real life works, but Star Wars isn’t real life. It’s a fantasy setting. And Anakin killing the Emperor was meant by Lucas (at least retroactively) to be an act of cosmic significance. It was the destruction of the Sith and the restoration of balance to the Force.

Also, it wasn’t exactly 30 years of peace when the New Republic was embarrassingly corrupt and incompetent, and the new Jedi Order failed to get off the ground, and the main heroes of the OT all ended up failing at life and becoming estranged from on another.

That real-world cynicism has no place in Star Wars.

True, which is why the PT is an example of a perfect democracy where a suitable leader was elected and didn’t plunge the galaxy into a decades long civil war where every system was under the direct control of the leaders personal army and the main bad guy was a failed main character who killed both of the other two main characters.

Thank the maker that SW has never used real life cynicism prior to TFA.

The Old Republic only became corrupt and fell due to decades of Sith subversion. It didn’t fall apart for just mundane reasons like real-world governments often do. And the fall of Anakin is a melodramatic tragedy that, like Luke’s story in the OT, is based in mythical archetypes. That’s not George Lucas just going “Well, real life sucks, so I’ll make my world suck too, lol.” It’s meant to be loftier than that. The Prequels tell a tragic story, but that tragedy is deliberately softened because we know the OT exists and that the good guys will win in the end. You can have low points in a story, but that doesn’t equate to cynicism.

At no point in the PT or TCW is any indication given that Palps alone is responsible for the fall of the Republic. The Republic falls due to it being crippled by corruption and decay, exactly the reason real life governments fall, this has been well explained by Lucas along with all the other tropes based on real life in the OT and PT.

There is no difference whatsoever between Anakin’s fall and Luke’s withdrawal in the ST so if you are trying to claim there’s some magical difference between mythical cynicism and realistic cynicism then all your points against the ST are also invalidated as they’re identically mythical.

The PT is no more or less made less cynical by the existence of the death of Palps in the OT than the cynicism of the ST is made less or more cynical by the death of Palps in TRoS.

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#1437664
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I abhor the &quot;X undoes Y's accomplishments&quot; criticism so much.
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Servii said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

You see it be used against the sequel trilogy, especially The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker. Even Palpatine’s return is criticized for “undoing the Chosen One accomplishment”… especially when these people are well-aware that Anakin only killed Palps specifically to save Luke.

What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.

The victory of the OT allowed for galactic peace for three decades. People were born and lived in peace because of the achievements of the OT. You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.

Thoughts?

That may be how real life works, but Star Wars isn’t real life. It’s a fantasy setting. And Anakin killing the Emperor was meant by Lucas (at least retroactively) to be an act of cosmic significance. It was the destruction of the Sith and the restoration of balance to the Force.

Also, it wasn’t exactly 30 years of peace when the New Republic was embarrassingly corrupt and incompetent, and the new Jedi Order failed to get off the ground, and the main heroes of the OT all ended up failing at life and becoming estranged from on another.

That real-world cynicism has no place in Star Wars.

True, which is why the PT is an example of a perfect democracy where a suitable leader was elected and didn’t plunge the galaxy into a decades long civil war where every system was under the direct control of the leaders personal army and the main bad guy was a failed main character who killed both of the other two main characters.

Thank the maker that SW has never used real life cynicism prior to TFA.