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#1571077
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I believe they claimed that the reason they made Rey’s appearance so similar to TFA is for the sake of the reused footage of Leia. But I’m not sure why they couldn’t just use more CGI to make changes possible. As for the Resistance, we are planning on changing Zorri’s dialogue on Kijimi so that it’s clear the people there are rebelling against the First Order ever since Skywalker’s sacrifice. This would help explain why the Resistance is larger than at the end of TLJ.

I did read that but it doesn’t make sense, Any scenes of Rey interacting with Leia are shot with a body double and Leia’s face out of frame. It just looks like more of Abrams regreting skipping the middle film. The Kijimi stuff would make sense, the FO moving into a Resistance cell looks clear.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

We are currently discussing an idea like this on Nev’s TROS thread. The idea is to maintain Rey’s parents as nobodies because that was the crux of TLJ’s reveal. Rey was only claimed to be a nobody by association in that film. So Rey can be a clone of Palpatine, similar to how Omega is a female clone of Jango Fett, and this way the reveal isn’t retreading ESB and is more pivotal for Rey’s character since she was quite literally created to be a vessel for Palpatine and take the Sith throne. Rey’s parents are nobodies that adopted/rescued her from a Sith cult, similar to how she will be adopted by the Skywalkers at the end of the film. The reason Rey doesn’t see her parents in the mirror cave of TLJ is because she doesn’t have any, biologically speaking - the long line of identical Rey’s is a hint at her nature of being a clone. And the reason Palpatine always wanted her dead is because he was paranoid that one of his clones could take all of his followers or simply have enough power to kill him as Rey eventually does.

I like that pattern. Considering how Bad Batch and Mandalorian seem to be moving into the cloning lore, Rey being the clone and not one of her perents is a smart move that won’t isolate this edit from the larger franchise in a way that ‘Rey Nobody’ would.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

The above change I mentioned should make it less stupid that he’s telling her his exact plan. Again, if Rey’s sole reason for existence is exactly what he’s describing, it may fill Rey with enough dread and hopelessness to consider actually doing it.

One thing the ST (and specifically the edits I chose) does is show how necessery the Jedi Order searching for children is. Rey goes for the darker, easier path every time and finding out that being nothing more than a fresh clone plays on everything that’s built up so far so much more than the raw film or this version of this edit.

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#1571068
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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In a longstanding tradition I’ve just started this year I’ve decided to watch each ST films across Christmas Eve, Day, and Boxing Day (due to having seen the other 6 films millions of times since 1999).

Unlike the other two films I have seen TRoS more often and have seen a couple of different versions of Ascendant so I knew what I was going into here. Like with Starlight I did avoid the changes list to try not to notice what was new or not. What follows here is an unstructured wall of thoughts jotted down whilst watching.

I went for the Rey Palpatine version, like it or not, that’s what we’ve got now.
Added lines on Exagol fit seamlessly. The immediate acts of aggression in Rey’s training complete with vision incorporating the Sith eyes from Starlight, the cave from TLJ, and the throne from Ascendent work so well at that point.
After Starlight it’s odd to hear Vader’s theme accompanying his helmet rather than Palpatine’s considering who’s actually speaking to Ren through it.
The music after Rey is fixing the landing gear after escaping the Destroyer is slightly reminiscent of Ren’s theme but I do wonder if either his or Palpatine’s could be woven in here properly as she talks about wanting to kill him.
Leia halting her training because she wanted to be more like her mother is a good balance considering it’s implied Luke had exiled himself out of fear of becoming their father. It carries the unvoiced implication that Leia too was scared of becoming Vader much earlier than Luke was.
I knew where a lot of the generated lines were but they didn’t in anyway stand out.

I did have some issues. One that’s unfixable is the Resistance being back to their TFA strength so soon after TLJ and all the other resets to TFA even down to Rey’s clothes and hair, Abrams really went out of his way to muck up TLJ.
There’s a couple of instances where the subtitles don’t match the words (Poe says the followers ‘have been building something for years’ and the subs say ‘hiding something for years’). Also, considering the ‘never underestimate a droid’ theme and how kind Rey is to D0, it’s really jarring to see how badly everyone treats 3P0, yes he’s never taken seriously in the franchise but Finn and Poe are outright bullying to him.
Also I had to convert the file because it was crashing my Philips TV when playing it off a USB device. It plays other MP4s no issue, it just didn’t like this one.

I’ve not kept up with much of the new voice lines talk for V5 but I did have some thoughts.

Leia having some dialogue prior to sacrificing herself rather than Maz expositing. Something like she senses Ben is turning and needs to reach him once last time or something.

Palps seeding some clones around the galaxy to use as backups. Rather than Rey being referred to ‘grandchild’ explicitly there must be some way of making it more obvious that one or both of her parents were Palpy clones and it’s unexpected they had a child.

And finally have Palpy goading Rey into killing him to fulfil the rule of two as his successor rather than telling her he’s going to posses her. It’s simple for him to prey on her darkness considering what Ren has told him about her toeing the line but I find it fundamentally stupid to tell her he’s going to posses her. It possibly wouldn’t be too difficult to have him play the dying victim like he did with Windu now he’s supposedly found his worthy successor. Obviously his plan remains to possess his clone but he doesn’t tell Rey that.

The last two things absolutely lie outside the scope of this film and Hals style, but adding subtle World Between Worlds lines in space when Rey starts hearing the voices of the Jedi and replacing the out of place Han-llucination with Anakin finally being able to speak to Ben would fit the expanding world post-ST nicely.

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#1571067
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The Last Jedi - Expanded Editon (Released!)
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In a longstanding tradition I’ve just started this year I’ve decided to watch each ST films across Christmas Eve, Day, and Boxing Day (due to having seen the other 6 films millions of times since 1999).

I really like TLJ, it’s probably number 2 or 3 in my top 9 saga films list, it feels exactly like a TCW film, lots of humour (who can’t picture animated Anakin doing Poe’s bit with ‘Huggs’ at the beginning of the film), lots of new Force material and insights into how it works, deconstruction of the Jedi Order (not the Light Side, the Order itself), and heroes and villains hovering over the border.
I didn’t want a fanedit that changed much of anything about the film (well I’d have happily have lost some bits like Admiral Arsehole, could you imagine Luke being treated like Poe was after ANH? But also Poe’s mutiny, this is not Andor we don’t need a Resistance civil war) so I turned to the Extended Edition.

I have the workprint version, and the unfinished scenes, funnily enough, really don’t pull you out of the film at all. Sure you can notice them, but considering how many terrible effects (both practical and digital) exist in the endless re-releases of the OT I can cope with a couple of badly rendered backgrounds considering what the scenes add.

This isn’t much of a fanedit in the usual sense beyond the integration and edition, but that is done seamlessly and the additional VFX work on the scenes fit in.
Though, having said that, I don’t know if it’s my version or not, but just after Poe pulls his blaster on Admiral Arsehole the visuals and sound cut out until the laundrette scene.

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#1571066
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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In a longstanding tradition I’ve just started this year I’ve decided to watch each ST films across Christmas Eve, Day, and Boxing Day (due to having seen the other 6 films millions of times since 1999).

For TFA I’ve not seen the original since getting the DVD or Starlight since the first draft. I decided to ignore the change list until after watching it which was definitely the right choice.

Starlight doesn’t feel like a fanedit at all, there were no points of having to ‘fill the plotholes in yourself’ that often occur with fanedits where material is missing that would be needed for the changes. Mentions of Illum, Starkiller Base being a oneshot weapon to destroy the Republics capital, the clear focus on the Resistance not being the Republic, everything that makes the film not feel so much like a soulless remake of ANH (we had that already, it was RotJ).
Oh, and Chewy not hesitating and immediately blasting Ren followed by activating the detonators whilst he’s still there was fantastic. I wish the ST had lent into him as a character more.

The best part however, is the added darkness to Rey in a way that allows for Starlight to fit into either a ‘Palpatine’ or ‘nobody’ ST. It does follow that somebody who raised themselves on the edges of society would turn to the ‘easier and more seductive’ side of the force and the Sith whispers that follow after she fails the mind trick (twice!) followed by the Sith eyes before cutting a slice out of Ren feel really natural and flow nicely into TLJ (you didn’t even hesitate, you went straight for the Dark).

I know you’re constantly working on adding more and more to your edits (looking through the radical ST ideas thread), but whether those come to fruition or not, you have a complete film here.

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#1560865
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Asokha Radical Redux Ideas thread
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Kaweebo said:

Artan42 said:

WitchDR said:

If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.

But that’s exactly what it’s about and why adults have always made terrible Jedi students since ESB. She’s spent her life not using the Force so will be terrible at it because she’s got 20 years of mindset to undo. Then, when it matters the most it clicks for her.
She’s not lifting an X-Wing, she’s accelerating a 70 odd kilo human who’s already magically levitating themselves, the extra dozen or so metres into a slowly moving wide target. That is in no way not possible for somebody who has probably been taught the theory of levitating even if she couldn’t do it herself until then.

Maybe they could have focused on her PoV for all this a bit more, but, at the end of the day, it’s not Sabine’s story.

It’s not just that she’s an adult. Luke had extreme potential in the Force and it still took him time to fully unlock it. The problem is Sabine’s prior training is all offscreen, with nothing to back it up from Rebels (and no, training with the Darksaber does not count). And even still, they still bumrush her from barely being able to pull a saber to throwing Ezra through the air in the span of a few minutes. It took Luke at least days of training to get to where he is by the end of Empire and he’s still not great at it. And he has much more potential than her.

They needed to sell it much better than they did. Sabine honestly shouldn’t have unlocked anything this season tbh. It ends in a failure with Thrawn escaping anyway. Let the audience feel the amount of time and effort she had to put into it rather than one single training sequence and some offhand remarks to OFFSCREEN training. The way they presented it, I just don’t buy it.

I don’t get what the issue with it being offscreen is. It’s not like Luke’s five mins of backflipping in a swamp acually explains any of the skills he has in RotJ or The Mandalorian, you have to assume Yoda acually tought him useful stuff off screen.
Sabine has already done the start of the combat training way back in Rebels and I’m perfectly happy with her having had the Force related bits off screen between then and this show. Fits with Luke and most of Anakin’s training (you know, as we don’t see any of the bits between TPM and AotC onscreen).

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#1559899
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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Patali said:

  • Dugnutt’s edit restores the Shaak ti death scene at the start of RotS. Does Clone Wars/your edit contradict this at all?
  • Dugnutt makes the decision in his edit to use audio from the Qui gon Liam Neeson dialogue from TCW in the qui gon scene in RotS. From what I can see, you do still include that content in your Refocused Season 4 finale “Cosmic Force”. So my question is, is the “Cosmic Force” episoe you cut truly and completely necessary? In the end, it wont bother us if it is, we’ll just acknowledge that some content gets reused. I would prefer Dugnutt just not include it, but I havent found a bettr RotS edit, the others Ive seen just change and remove too much of the movie.

Mostly yes. A vision in TCW shows Ti dying at the temple at the hands of Vader (a deleted scene that only exists as stills).

Maybe try Numeral Joker’s cut of RotS. It’s the extended film with the SoM arc woven in. Unfortunatly it also has the non-canon 2D CW bits at the start.

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#1559624
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Asokha Radical Redux Ideas thread
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WitchDR said:

If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.

But that’s exactly what it’s about and why adults have always made terrible Jedi students since ESB. She’s spent her life not using the Force so will be terrible at it because she’s got 20 years of mindset to undo. Then, when it matters the most it clicks for her.
She’s not lifting an X-Wing, she’s accelerating a 70 odd kilo human who’s already magically levitating themselves, the extra dozen or so metres into a slowly moving wide target. That is in no way not possible for somebody who has probably been taught the theory of levitating even if she couldn’t do it herself until then.

Maybe they could have focused on her PoV for all this a bit more, but, at the end of the day, it’s not Sabine’s story.

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#1559581
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Asokha Radical Redux Ideas thread
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losthead said:

GLogus said:

DarthMarv said:

So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:

  • So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
  • Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
  • Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
  • I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
  • For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
  • Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.

Some great ideas if they can be done well. I especially like ideas 2 and 5. Both Ezra and Ahsoka seemed totally fine with Sabine’s reckless and irresponsible behavior. I was dumbstruck by the lack of accountability! Your idea might help to emphasize her reasons for doing what she did.

Also, I have no issue with Sabine having some Force ability, i.e., being a skilled Mandalorian warrior first and a novice Force user second, but her pushing Ezra like that was just silly and unearned. Huyang was right in pointing out her inadequacy. (When the Force can do anything, and anyone can use it, it makes the most interesting thing in Star Wars completely meaningless.)

I also want to add that the zombie noises that the Night Troopers make is ridiculous—far more laughable than creepy. In fact, the Night Troopers coming back to light was pointless because they didn’t actually pose a threat.

The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope

And expanded in ESB. ‘Do, or do not. There is no try’. Sabine realises she can and stops trying and all the training she’s undergone now works because she now can ‘do’ rather than ‘do not’.

For some reason fans in general have a video game idea of the Force that isn’t based on what the films or TCW presents.

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#1535584
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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Completely unwatchable I’m afraid. FoD Ahsoka has eyebrows! I need brainbleach. Please deepfake them out ASAP.


On an actual feedback kinda note, the concept is perfect. Each of the FoD episodes fit around the TotJ frame perfectly and even have the right number to match the major blackouts she has. ‘Practice Makes Perfect’ works better as a S2 to S3 bridge than where TotJ seems to indicate it takes place (sometime in S1).

The ambiguous ending works well as well, an effective hook with reserved mystery. The theme of the developing lightsabre skills in the FoD shorts tie in well to the use of the two sabres in the second part of PMP.

Incidently, as well as the random, nightmare inducing eyebrows, I noticed that there’s a glow on her green sabre when she fights Yoda before she’s activated the blade. They really cheeped out with the animation for FoD. Also, both her sabres are green. Not an issue for you do do anything about, just something I’d not noticed.

I agree with Daiyus that the order of the two FoD episodes after she gets the two sabres seems like it’s the wrong way around. The flow might not work as well switched but narrativity Yoda should really be telling her that she needs to fight like herself. I wonder if just cutting the short with the assassin might help considering it has to take place first even though she is using one in reverse grip which she hasn’t been told to do yet.

The last observation is the aspect ratio. Switching from the silly frame with the top and bottom cut off to the full screen is a bit jarring, even superseding the animation style change.
It’s possible I’m just sensitive to aspect ration changes as I’m one of those filthy people who want images to fill the entire screen they paid for and not leave massive black bars at the top and bottom or at the sides, that goes for films too, I want the entire picture, not a cut up version in the middle of my screen.

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#1531563
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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FVDnz said:

Just watched a clip from one of our fellow forum members on YT with regards to changing the Emperor’s arrival to the beginning of the film which while thinking the conversation seemed rushed with relation to Vader continuing to search for Luke, it actually wasn’t a bad idea I thought. Also, was Jerjerrod merely a Moff and not a Grand Moff like Tarkin? Is that why he looks like he did with the cap while Tarkin obviously was of a higher rank…

Was Jerjerrod ever referred to as ‘Moff’ in the film? I thought he was only referred to as ‘commander’ because he was the commander of the DSII.

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#1527145
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [ON HOLD INDEFINITELY]
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I wonder how feasible it would be to use the new-fangled voice AI thing to replace HCs voice with a ML voice trained from TCW. It’s not that I particularly have a problem with HCs voice, but the difference between the two Anakin’s is far more significant than any other characters between the films and TCW (well, other than the Clones).

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#1509807
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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EddieDean said:

Tales of the Jedi thoughts!

OK, so I’ve just watched through the six Tales of the Jedi shorts which were just released. Firstly, they’re all brilliant. Lovely little vignettes, and I hope for more. But, importantly, they’re all very relevant to The Clone Wars, or at least the prequel era.

I’d appreciate any additional thought you guys can afford here:

SPOILERS BELOW

So, chronologically we now have:

  • TOTJ - Life and Death: Ahsoka’s birth and discovery as a Jedi
  • TOTJ - Justice: Dooku and Qui-Gon search for a captured Senator’s son
  • TOTJ - Choices: Dooku and Mace clash over the Jedi’s role
  • THE PHANTOM MENACE
  • TOTJ - The Sith Lord: Concurrently with to just after the end of TPM, Dooku becomes Sidious’ apprentice
  • ATTACK OF THE CLONES
  • THE CLONE WARS BEGIN
  • TOTJ - Practice Makes Perfect: From the beginning to end of The Clone Wars, Ahsoka trains against Clones
  • REVENGE OF THE SITH
  • THE CLONE WARS CONCLUDE
  • TOTJ - Resolve: At the end of RotS, Ahsoka meets Bail at Padmé’s funeral, then some time later, defeats an inquisitor and rejoins the fight

So let’s take that bite by bite, Ahsoka’s episodes first.

Life and Death

This is the first chronological story now in film or TV media. It’s not particularly illuminating, though it is good. But, like some moments in the Star Wars saga, like Andor’s flashbacks and Mando’s flashbacks, it really belongs around the introduction of the focal character (i.e. early in The Clone Wars) or at a moment when it can support the present-day story.

I don’t think we really have any options for the latter, since taming a beast or showing an innate connection to the natural world doesn’t feature as a major storyline in any of the Ahsoka episodes. It does feature Togruta heavily, which does mean it could possibly pair with the Kadavo slavery arc where they’re captured and Ahsoka is involved in their escape. You could possibly, possibly pair it with the Lurmen arc, but I don’t think that connection is strong enough.

However, TCW:R (and TCW) had a very weak opening, with the Christophsis and Malevolence stories. Both could be suitable - it could open Christophsis, or interleave with it, or it could open Malevolence once we’ve been formally introduced to Ahsoka in the prior episode. (Though, I’m suprised Dave didn’t choose to include Plo Koon in any of these stories, especially the one where Ahsoka is discovered). I think the former is probably a sensible move - either as a cold open to my Christophsis episode (in which case fairly early we get the “I’m Ahsoka Tano” moment), or slightly intercut around the opening - a cold open for her birth, then my episode’s current opening until Ventress is fought, then back to Ahsoka, then a light twist as she walks out of the ship, now a padawan. It could replace the Ventress fight, for a trimmed intro to that plot, but I think even though Ventress doesn’t tie into the episode’s plot, the way she’s used here works well with the focus on her early in this season (and, remember, the original show also had her show up then disappear here too).

I think one of these Christophsis options is where I’m leaning, so we meet Ahsoka and then Anakin does - and this would also help cement her as the core figure of TCW:R.

Now, this content does have a different graphical style, but the Clone Wars are very much a multimedia project, and so is TCW:R. If anyone was watching chronologically, they’d have to shift media as they went. Obviously it’s a bit much to do it in one episode, but here I think story is key - having a compelling opening to the saga and the show trumps visual inconsistency. Plus, it doesn’t feature the same character models, so there’s less of a clash.

Practice Makes Perfect

The core of this story is showing Ahsoka during three different stages of the Clone Wars (as illustrated by her three character models matching TCW’s), showing that throughout the wars, Anakin trained her (relentlessly) against Clones, which ultimately helped her win her final fight of the Clone Wars. Again it’s very poignant and good fun, though not vital.

You could make this a flashback in the final episode, but I think that’d distract us from its tension, and besides, the show really feels like it has a gap early where we don’t really see Anakin train Ahsoka. So it’d be nice to see some of that early, to help us build that relationship. In that case, you have two options: Split it or keep it together. Obviously either way, that last segment (set during the final episode) is too light to carry any story on its own, so if you did split it, at the end of the show you’re reliant on the audience remembering the setup, but I think that’s OK. (Though it’s a cute enough moment that I might just add into my own final episode for a little extra flavour.)

But as for the main training sequences (set early in the war, and then when she switches to two lightsabers), again we have some choice. If we want any of it right at the start, we have to split it, which would be fine, and maybe a little early training cut into an early episode would be fun, but then that leaves the two-lightsaber part a bit orphaned.

But here’s an idea: Those two parts together land either side of the transition point where Ahsoka changes character models. (Note: In the earlier part, she’s in a slightly more covered-up version of her usual early outfit, which could also imply a small time skip, but it’s clearly not long after as the clones are still Phase 1) So, why not set it at that transition point? Why not, even, merge it with my existing bonus episode set exactly then - Tales from the Clone Wars, which features some remaining Ahsoka/Padmé content from the Forces of Destiny shorts, plus the as-yet unused early episodes from the 2003 Tartakovsky miniseries (so it’s already multimedia!) To be cute, I could open on Ahsoka’s early clone training until she blacks out, then play out the FOD/2003 content, then fade back in to her waking up in her more mature character model. (Cheekily, that’d also slightly explain why those are cartoon, and also allow them to be a little less than canon if the viewer prefers.)

I think this is quite an elegant one - an enhanced s03e00. It would also really cement that time as Ahsoka’s transition point, with a lot of episodes where she really starts to develop on her own beyond Anakin.

Resolve

This one shows Ahsoka, far from the Republic or war, until she’s finally drawn back into the plot (she’ll next appear in Rebels) by an inquisitor. It’s cool and interesting for this to be our first appearance of an inquisitor chronologically, I think! Like my existing thoughts on when flashbacks belong (at the point they become relevant to the present), I’d tend to treat this whole episode as a coda rather than trying to shoehorn the scenes at Padmé’s funeral into ROTS or the final TCW episode. Therefore I think this is indeed TCW:R’s expected s05e05 - “Coda: Ahsoka”.

…Either that, or it belongs in Rebels, at the moment just after the end of season one, where Ahsoka is revealed to the main characters and audience (probably as its own little standalone season one coda, or a season two prelude).

Anyway, that then does raise the question for me regarding what to do with TCW finale’s original in-episode coda (let’s call it “Coda: Anakin”), where Vader finds Ahsoka’s lightsaber. Thematically, it hits really nicely where it is, pinned to the end of the episode (though set much later, during the stormtrooper era of the Empire). Chronologically, it comes after Coda: Ahsoka (at least its intro with clone troopers), and probably before Kenobi (since it implies a glimmer of light is still in Anakin, which we know gets buried much more over time). Perhaps we conclude “Coda: Ahsoka” with it that moment, as a paired “Coda: Ahsoka and Anakin” (to balance “Coda: Maul and Obi-Wan”) or perhaps we simply have three codas.

The Dooku Content

Hot dang! GREAT trilogy of episodes, and lots to think about here. Firstly, I don’t think they’re super relevant to the Clone Wars in particular. Dooku, during the Clone Wars, is a loyal villain, but he doesn’t have any strong moments which would be better served by any of this content. BUT they’re useful to the prequel trilogy and the saga as a whole.

Let’s just remember for a moment that I think that Ahsoka’s first episode belongs as a TCW flashback, which makes these the chronologically first movie or TV media. In this case, these episodes actually do a suprisingly useful thing: They do a far better job of introducing us to the Star Wars setting than The Phantom Menace does! While they don’t introduce us to the main characters of the prequels, in a very compelling way they give us exposition on the Republic, the Senate (and its corruption), the Jedi (and their tense role within that power structure and primary use as negotiators before warriors), and the Jedi’s basic powers (lightsaber combat, pushing, choking). It’s an excellent intro for a new viewer!

So, simple option here would be - watch Dooku 1 & 2 before TPM, and Dooku 3 just after, to neatly set up AOTC. (Call that all season zero of TCW:R if you like, “Prelude to the Clone Wars”.)

But, if we can tolerate live action and animation combined, perhaps there’s a blend of TPM and these episodes that could make the experience stronger together. You’d open on Dooku 1, playing out the whole thing, then doing something (an iris wipe, or maybe just something with the crawl if you used Dooku 1 as a cold open) to highlight that Qui-Gon was in both, and hand the story over to him. Then, sometime during the first two thirds of the story (before Mace is seen on the council), intercut with Dooku 2 (which puts Mace on the council and frustrates Dooku). Then, when the gang are on Coruscant, put in Dooku’s conversation with Qui-Gon from Dooku 3, and finally, after the ending (though you could skip the celebration element, for tonal consistency) conclude Dooku 3 on the Yaddle fight. To achieve this last point, you’d change Yaddle’s dialogue so she was implying the other masters had already headed off to Qui-Gon’s funeral.

That intercutting could be a movie, which I think would likely not please enough people to be worthwhile (as this is TPM we’re talking about), but it could be just a series of wildly different length content: Dooku 1 & 2 become TCW:R s00e00, and Dooku 3 becomes s00e03 to be watched after TPM (s00e02).

Thoughts!

The problem with Practice Makes Perfect is that the first part is set in what’s indicated to be shortly after Christophsis (and the following few stories) and that, by extension, those stories are supposed to be a few months after AotC. Obi-Wan still has his AotC hair but doesn’t in Christophsis and Anakin has grown his out a little bit since then. Yoda is even using the exact TCWS1 model.
The problem lies with Ahsoka herself. The change of clothes is fine, it’s a much better outfit than her original one, but her character model is the TCWS3 but one with shorter headtails not the much slighter TCWS1-2 model.

The story has to take place early TCWS1 (i.e. before 2) but Ahsoka looks like she’s from between TCWS2 and 3.

As for Ahsoka’s origin, parts of it can be cut into different episodes I think. Add a flashback style filter to it and it’d fit in the Slavery arc, the hunted by Trandosians arc, and hunted by the clones arc. So no episode is bogged down by the full story but it’s gradually revealed over time.

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Fullmetaled said:

Is there a way to fix the continuity errors caused but the final clone wars season and the first episode of the bad batch. Kanan saying the clones said didn’t mean to turn on the Jedi. saying it was the chips that made them do it and Rex and the other clones saying they removed their chips and never turned on their Jedi.

That’s not a continuity error, that’s Rex lying to himself and Kanan. He’s probably not very happy with himself for it.

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EddieDean said:

Question: Since this show will have a coda (Maul and Obi-Wan from Rebels), and potentially another coda (Ahsoka from Tales of the Jedi), should I consider cutting out the very final scene from Victory and Death (you know the one) and making that a third coda, rather than keeping it within its own episode? It is very much a coda scene, though it follows most naturally from its preceding episode. It might merge well with the Ahsoka coda, leaving us with a Maul and Obi-Wan one, and an Anakin and Ahsoka one.

I might be late here but I think keep it with the other codas. As much as it worked perfectly in the broadcast episode, if you’re stringing in some other epilogues then it should be treated the same.