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JJ’s plan was probably crap and Rian realized that it was crap.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to go with in my idea. Leia created the First Order as a small terrorist force for the Republic to band against, but when Snoke took over it mutated into a genocidal empire. That caused Leia to reconsider her belief that war is a necessary evil, and led to her founding the Resistance to oppose the regime she accidentally created.

Exactly. It’s about her starting the First Order as a small strawman to unite against, then Snoke turning them into a legitimate threat.

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

When fans give the story more thought than the writers.
Sigh

I mean that’s not really true though.

I’d say it’s true in relation to JJ Abrams’ writing.

Just because the final product ended up in a certain simplified way doesn’t thought wasn’t put into its development.

Agreed. I’m sure it was thought over extensively in development, but there isn’t much hope when the man in charge is JJ Abrams. He’s always gonna pick the dumber, more nostalgic route.

Honestly, the basic idea of Leia creating the First Order as something to unite against is good, I just wouldn’t have her stay in charge of them. She gets in over her head hiring local warlords and imperial remnants to unite and when Snoke comes along with a new vision for them she realizes how badly she fucked up.

Doctor Who has no canon

I mean you’re not wrong.

Now as I’m sure you’re all aware, TLJ is incredibly divisive. Some hate it, some love it. My question is this: how can we bridge that divide?

The first thing that comes to mind is giving Snoke a backstory. You can still kill him off but people won’t be so annoyed because they’ll have learned who he is.

For Rey’s parents being deemed underwhelming by some, I rest the blame solely on TFA, so I’m gonna ignore it.

As for Luke, I’m not sure how one could approach his arc.

Nah, I prefer the idea that he’s playing Persona on his PSP in a vain attempt to take his mind off the fact that his life is crumbling around him.

I feel like you could sneak in some exposition unrelated to the mask, but that would hardly help their characters.

But they’re also explicitly non-canon. And given the tone of the short, they should stay that way.

Speaking from my experience regrading it, it can actually look quite beautiful in some scenes if you increase the brightness and contrast. The murky brown becomes a pastel gold.

Unless you’re referring to the singer of DJ Got Us Fallin’ in Love Again, it should be Ushar, not Usher.

I don’t think Din Djarin and Baby Yoda should be there because they’re spinoff content. The focus should be squarely on bringing together all nine episodes of the Saga. As for the Trade Federation, I just didn’t really feel like they were piloting a ship in that shot.

I’d be down to watch that. Then again, I’d rather give it some time before revisiting it. Why Fatal Death, though?

You’d need a whole new puppet, really.

All these years and I never knew Ric Olie was one of the starfighter pilots…

For Baby Yoda… Yoda about the equivalent to 90 when he’s 900 years old, right? So if Baby Yoda is 50 years old, him being 80 years old is the equivalent of going from 5 years old to 8 years old.

That’s what I thought until I realized baby Yoda is closer 2 than 5.

Honestly, a montage of cockpit interiors would be all worth it if Ric Olié is there. Granted, there’s no way he could logistically be alive, so I guess we’d have to settle for his grandchild, which would actually make it easier as we wouldn’t need to deepfake his face.

Seriously, though, a montage of creatures and characters from across the Saga would really bring it all together. It would have be new footage though, I think. It looks to obvious here it’s taken from somewhere else.

I feel like this has a lot of potential but so far the only exchange that really adds something is their reveal on Exegol. Subsequent shots could build off of it with more meaningful lines. I’d replace the line about being unfair with some expression of surprise. “What a disappointment” is in a shot so short it might as well be dropped rather than replaced. I really like the initial exchange though. It really clarifies what they’re thinking at this moment.

As for the other scenes, the dialog doesn’t add anything to their characters. It just states what we already know. Also, I’d shorten “Luke’s scavenger girl” to just “the scavenger”.

Oh and I’ve found their canon names.

FWIW, Duel of the Fates names some of them as Hattaska Ren, Ott Ren, Lorl Ren, and Jaedec Ren. That last one described as being the rogue, a title usually given to Vicrul, or as I call him Mangoface - I think the name Jaedec suits him really well.

Supposedly there was at one point a knight named Sollony Ren, but she wasn’t in the leaked script. I suspect she was renamed to be less similar to Solana, Rey’s last name revealed at the end.

Oh and I’ve always thought it’d be neat to have one named Ignatia Ren, but that’s just a name I made up.

The hair is very much director dependant, and Newell seems to have a thing for long hair, because everyone’s hair has gone back to the 70s in his film.

I have edits that fix the colors. I may have gone too far in some places, though. Definitely gonna revisit them someday.

You’re doing some excellent work!

Most people agree with you that PoA is the best, although I’m not sure why. It’s fine, don’t get me wrong, but the cold colors and questionable use of the uniforms really rubs me the wrong way. I also don’t see what elements plotwise raise it above the others in people’s eyes. People also seem to rate Deathly Hallows really high and the Columbus films really low which just seems so backwards to me.

But now looking through a ranking thread on r/movies, there seem be a lot of people actually putting the Columbus films right below Cuaron’s, while the bottom tends to be a Yates film (although tbf, he directed half of them, so it’s statistically likely). The people there also seem to dislike GoF for some reason. It seems to be in the bottom three of most people’s rankings, which is strange cuz I thought it was mostly pretty strong. Granted, it’s plot is based around an enormous gaping plothole, and the tournament feels like a lame excuse for action scenes, but it’s certainly more interesting then what came after it. DHP2 seems to perform relatively well, if only by virtue of being the finale. Personally, I felt the execution left much to be desired.

That is superb.

Just a technical note I don’t think it’s accurate to say it’s Kim’s music, he’s merely recreating the music from the trailer.

Huh. And here I assumed he was the composer.

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
(password is fanedit)

Apparently it isn’t, cuz it’s not letting me in.

In response to the previous post, I think Batman Returns is a masterpiece whereas '89 is forgettable and took away everything that made the Joker interesting.

As for Harry Potter, I think my opinion is actually quite unpopular in that I think the films got much worse as they went along. Columbus’s films were fantastic, Cuaron and Newell’s work was pretty good (although I do take issue with some changes Cuaron brought to the table and Yates took to the extreme), and the Yates films are a fucking embarrassment. Seriously, you can’t see shit, and the plots are sleep-inducing relative to what came before. Having not read the books, I don’t how much of that was down to Rowling and how much to Kloves and Goldenberg, but it lacked all the mystery and fantasy of earlier entries, settling for being just another YA trilogy, right down to splitting the last book in half.

Oh and the composers only accentuate this gradual downward spiral. We go from the living legend John Williams to bottom of the barrel composer Alexandre Desplat, with appropriately decent composers in between.

It’s really good, but Kim’s trailer music style simply doesn’t gel well with Williams’.

Which is? Stormtrooper uprising?

JakeRyan17 said:

Finn had a clear arc in The Last Jedi, and the clever thing was it was inverted from Rose’s even though the same experiences teach them the lessons. Rose and Poe’s arcs are to go from an “at all costs” approach, ready to sacrifice everything, to understanding that sometimes doing whatever it takes isn’t the same thing as doing it at all costs. Finn’s arc goes from a man without a cause, driven by fear, to becoming someone that understands there are things worth fighting for, even being ready to sacrifice himself. A lot of people say his arc is ruined since he doesn’t sacrifice himself, but that’s not true since he was actually ready to sacrifice himself. He was still making that choice.

In fact, him being stopped from sacrificing himself is part of Rose’s arc, with Poe agreeing with her as part of his. They’ve learned that reckless sacrifice isn’t always the solution.