Anakin Starkiller

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I think we can all agree that recoloring the opening crawls of SW is a silly, superficial, and unnecessary change. That said, since it’s easy to do, I decided to give it a shot, just out of curiosity. I always associated this movie with the color green (my favorite color, actually), so I went with that. If there’s enough interest, I could do others, like RotS in red.

Judging from the new title and the added crawl, I assume the main goal of this edit is to make it conform to the style of saga films.

I would’ve done it sooner if I’d known I could. My initial title ended up being misleading. Of course everyone’s happy they’re continuing the saga. I was just wondering how everyone felt about continuing it without certain characters. In the end, I decided to focus on Palpatine.

As it stands, the movies aren’t so much a trilogy as a successful movie who’s standalone sequels just so happened to stop at two. Now I like the movies just the way they are, but I’d like to try giving them a unifying arc. The question is how. Any suggestions are appreciated. Remember this isn’t about fixing the films if you didn’t like them. It’s about unifying them under one story arc. Less Indiana Jones and more Star Wars, if that helps. Here’s what I came up with:

• Give the three movies the names Exposition, Evolution, and Extinction. Though I came up with all these titles myself, I have seen others propose the latter two as names for the JW sequels. Honestly I’m shocked they went with Fallen Kingdom instead of Evolution. Exposition isn’t great, but it fits with the others.

• Make Dodgson the overarching villain.

• Add Dr. Grant to part II. It’s always bugs me that he wasn’t in it, since I feel like he’s the main character. I’d like to remedy that, though I’m worried it won’t be feasible.

• Turn Eric Kirby into an older Tim Murphy.

• Add John Hammond to part III.

*All three movies take place on the same island (Isla Nublar). In the second book, a second island was necessary because the first book ended with Isla Nublar being napalmed. Since that didn’t happen in the first movie, I don’t see the need to change locations.

darth_ender said:

Before the dark times…before the prequels…I remember that Palpatine and the Empire were supposed to be so racist that they seldom utilized elevated alien species to high ranks. This accounted for the lack of aliens in any Imperial vessel in the OT and made characters like Grand Admiral Thrawn seem even cooler and more impressive. When the PT negated that with the characters shown here, I was tremendously disappointed. It took away from the evil of the Empire.

The way I see it, the Empire is racist but the Emperor is not. To him racism is just a means to an end. When it’s helpful by allowing slave labor (I don’t see why they wouldn’t just use droids, but whatever), he’ll enforce racist policies. When an alien like Thrawn proves himself a brilliant strategist, he lets him in anyway. The Empire as a whole is still very much racist.

Oh. In that case. . . .

I swear that looks like he’s saying something else. He doesn’t look disinterested. He looks scared and desperate.

I want to include Mas Amedda and Sly Moore alongside Palpatine in RotJ, so I tried making a test photo to see if I could feasibly replace the Emperor’s advisers with them. It didn’t go so well.

Cadavra posted the following on 2-Oct-2017 9:08 PM…

Throw in a line or two spiced together from Dooku and Saruman dialogue – vaguely talking about going to war, “the Republic cannot be fixed,” or something to that effect – and the result could be really cool.’

Keep in mind we also have all of TCW to work with. It may not be Christopher Lee (theatrical pilot aside), but it sounds exactly like him.

Good idea inserting Dooku in the funeral, but that’s by no means sufficient. I want him to actually have a role in the film, preferably a villainous one. Like I said, I want him to be to the PT what Vader was to the OT. Darth Maul, meanwhile, would be like Tarkin, or Boba Fett. I might replace Sidious with Dooku in some scenes. He could introduce Darth Maul as his associate, rather than apprentice.

Monroville said:

(2) If Endor is a gas giant similar to Yavin, the forest moon would need a name.  This would probably fit more towards the Worst Edit Ideas thread… but would you call it Pandora?

Believe or not, SW already has a moon inhabited by blue people called…Pantora. With a T. I swear that must’ve been some sort of joke behind the scenes.

Alright, we’re all agreed. Mods please close thread.

I’m afraid you all missed the point. Of course I’m happy the saga’s continuing. I want to know how you feel about continuing it without Palpatine. I probably should’ve said in the title, but I didn’t realize that would be my one big point.

What? Who the hell watches Star Wars, or even TESB, and sees the Emperor as the “main villain.”

He was always the main villain in the saga (even if it was offscreen in the early movies).

He was retroactively made into the big bad.

I understand a happy ending override was inevitable, and I suppose we can go on without Yoda or Anakin/Vader. The problem is Palpatine being dead. He was always the main villain in the saga (even if it was offscreen in the early movies). Continuing past that feels like a post-script season. I can think of a few solutions, but none of them seem easy.

Make Snoke Palpatine. That would take away from Vader’s sacrifice.

Introduce some bigger bad whose in charge of both Snoke and Palpatine. That would feel incredibly contrived and inevitably lead to power creep.

Make Snoke a radically different villain. They don’t seem to be going that way, but at this stage, it’s hard to tell. In the end, the problem with this is that your heroes and villains are pretty set in stone by the whole light side dark side dichotomy. You can make their personalities different, but I can’t see them becoming as diverse as the villains in Batman or Doctor Who.

It’s a shame that dubs in other languages give everyone the same accent. I’d pay to see a French dub with the Rebels speaking with Quebec accents.

TV’s Frink said:

Yeah, AOTC is a worse movie in isolation, but ROTS had a greater responsibility as the end of the trilogy and lead-in to the OT, and thus its failure was more offensive.

Personally, I think it did a fine job. What major mistakes did it make?

Should they? No. Will they? No. Are they legally allowed to? Probably not.

The movies don’t need to be remade from scratch, just improved (hence fanedits). Besides they would have to match in the broad strokes to align wit established canon, making them remakes rather than a reboot. It would also be basically giving George Lucas the finger, and given the trust he put in Kathleen Kennedy, I can’t see her doing that.

Out of curiosity, what is your ranking from favourite to least? Having a sense of what you value in a Star Wars film might help illuminate what you feel is lacking in ESB.

MY top 2 are RotS and ANH, that I both love for different reasons (one’s emotional, the other’s lighthearted fun). After that it’s kind of ambiguous. While RotJ is by no means the worst, it’s the one movie whose mistakes actively offend me (second Death Star, Leia Skywalker). By comparison, my least favorite is AotC, which is bad simply by virtue of being boring. But hey, at least the worldbuilding’s good. I never cared for Han and Leia’s relationship. I can see how that would hamper my enjoyment of ESB.

Maybe I should just explain my tastes in general, outside of SW. I tend to gravitate towards more “kiddy” stuff a lot of the time, favoring shows like Code Lyoko and Mystery Incorporated to mainstream stuff like Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead. I’m a huge fan of Doctor Who (currently on classic season 3). I think the Harry Potter movies got progressively worse, with the Columbus ones being amazing and the Yates ones being practically unwatchable. I usually only watch fantasy (and by that I mean anything contain non-realistic elements not presented scientifically). I like trains.

Well technically, The Phantom Menace is a few months older than I am, so I definitely wasn’t around when TESB first came out. That said, I don’t think people who were are the only ones who love it. If that were the case, I’d have dismissed them as nostalgia blind ages ago. It seems to me that most people older than 10 think it’s the best, or at least second best. I may not like it that much, but I certainly don’t hate it, and I have very different tastes than mainstream audiences.

I think the worst thing about the Original Trilogy is that there are two Death Stars.

I’d say it’s the second worst, number one being Leia being Luke’s sister. Though I’ve already remedied that problem for my edits, I have yet to tackle this one. Though leaving the Death Star intact throughout the trilogy or having Luke only blow up the superlaser are valid options, I intend on simply moving the Emperor’s throne room to Coruscant, probably at the top of the Jedi Temple (now Imperial Palace)'s central tower. The hard part will be replacing the starry sky outside the windows with a view of Coruscant. The Death Star is destroyed by Luke in ANH and never seen again (TFA included). It’s not like anyone super important was involved in blowing it up the second time anyway, so that wouldn’t be a big loss. It would also keep us from having to follow too many battles at once, something that, while not a problem per say, feels rather unnecessary.

Though I personally prefer having the full PT, I think this a great idea for those who don’t.

Bingowings said:

Use cutting edge digital technology and time travel to insert actors who haven’t been born yet into the existing movies.

Already been done…or is that the joke?

Of all the star wars films this was the one that needed the special edition treatment the most but Lucus was probably too afraid to add the deleted materials or was more concerned with pushing the cgi of Lucusfilm. It was not about the film and restorimg material from the cutting room floor so much but they did restore some of the cues but nowhere near as many as they should have.

Really? It’s clear in my mind that the one that most needed the restoring of deleted scenes was ANH, specifically Biggs Darklighter’s story. The worst part is that they did actually re-insert it…but only half. This is just worse because whereas we weren’t made to care about Biggs in the original cut, here we have the emotional reunion without the emotional parting, so we’re just confused as to who he is and why Luke cares about him. We don’t need the whole Tosche Station scene. Just the parts with Biggs.

TESB isn’t even second in the OT in this regard, as I find RotJ’s deleted scenes far more interesting, notably Jerjerrod’s Conflict.

ForceGhostRecon said:

DominicCobb said:

While sex scenes rarely “take me out of a film,” they sure as shit would if they were in a Star Wars movie.

I don’t need a whole “sex scene” but topless Leia would’ve been pretty epic.

That qualify as appropriate in my book, and would make sense in the context of the metal bikini, though that’s in RotJ. Still I don’t see the point, though.

So far the only good idea is the droids repairing Vader’s hand.

Though I struggle to understand what everyone finds so great about ESB (not even close to being my favorite), I will give them credit for the fact that it’s the one SW movie for which I can’t think of anything to improve upon. That probably stems from not knowing what exactly it’s lacking.

Valheru_84 said:

Till recently the thought of OT fanedits has never entered my mind and they still never will for ANH and TESB. However, being part of this community for a while now has made me realise that ROTJ could possibly use some tweaking here and there to as you say, strengthen it in view of the other two movies.

Your edit sounds very interesting, especially with the fact you used Harmy’s DSE as the base for 95% of it. My only gripes that make me reluctant to watch it though are:

• You left in the CGI creatures in Jabba’s palace despite removing Jedi Rocks. Never had a problem with the original scene nor Nappti Lek.

• You kept the SE ending and music. It’s not one of my most hated changes by GL but it’s still up there with most of the big ones as it completely messes with how I feel at the end of the last SW movie (till Ep7:TFA came along anyway but ROTJ will always feel like the closer on the OT with TFA starting the next trilogy).

I don’t know if it’s to much to ask, but would you consider making a 100% DSE edition of your edit or at least revert the above matters to their DSE versions in an alternate edit?

.Val

It’s Lapti Nek, not Nappti Lek.

We should try replacing the no name Slytherin in the fiendfyre scene with Crabbe, as was originally intended. We can just get a lookalike and rotoscope him onto the original scene, avoiding closeups.