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#1083567
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Project Super Box
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yotsuya said:

AFTON ROBOTICS said:

yotsuya said:

Star Wars has the folllowing versions:
(each distinct audio/visual combination listed separately)

1 - 1977 premier version - limited release. Preserved in Puggo Grand and Moth3r’s bootleg (and a few other sources). Identified by alternate end credits and 3 effects shots that were revised (the Star Destroyer shooting at the Falcon, the matte painting composite outside the hanger on Yavin IV, the planet/jungle composite of the fighters taking off). Likely all 70 mm prints were of this version. Featured one of the first 4 track surround sound mixes using the Dolby Stereo system. 1977 sound mix was the same for both matrix stereo and 6 track magnetic on 70 mm prints (the 70 mm prints featured at least one LFE track, probably two)
2 - 1977 wide release version - changed the end credits and the three effects shots. Also introduced the mono mix. Preserved in the Technicolor IB prints and all the known 35 mm prints. All foreign language versions of the film come from this edit.
3 - 1981 re-release - changed the opening crawl to add Episode IV and A New Hope. Otherwise the same as 2. It seems older prints in good shape had the new crawl spliced on so some prints may have been from the premier version.
4 - 1982-1985 home video release - A unique version found in home video that usually featured the 81 crawl, the original premier version of the three effects shots, and the revised end credits. 77 sound mix.
5 - 1985-1989 home video release - A unique version found in home video that featured the 81 crawl, the original premier version of the three effects shots, and the revised end credits. Preserved in the JSC. New sound mix.
6 - 1985 new interpositive version - 2 with the 1981 crawl. First release was the Definitive Edition with a new sound mix.
7 - 2006 GOUT - 6 with the original 1977 crawl put back. Essentially the same as 2, but with the audio mix of 6.
8 - 1997 SE
9 - 2004 DVD
10 - 2011 Blu-ray

Because of the timeline that some of the events are tied to (the foreign language prints, the mono mix, the extant 35 mm prints, the new interpostive in 1985), the alternate end credits and the alternate version of the three effects shots must be from the earliest prints. The negative was edited and remained unchanged (except for the opening crawl) from 1977 until the SE edits were made. My guess as to why so many versions of the home video feature the alternate three effects shot is that they used either interpostives or prints from the premier batch and updated the opening crawl and end credits. And they are only found in English language editions.

Many thanks for the list i will include all of these versions in my set now
PS If you can give a list like this for TESB and ROTJ that would be great thanks 😄

That is my completeist list. I really don’t consider 4, 5, or 6 as valid separate release except in terms of audio. I look to how the negative was changed which is 1, 2, and 3 only, with 3 having 4 separate audio mixes (mono, 77 stereo, 85 stereo, and 93 stereo). If there was a way to do it seemlessly that would work on all players, I would include that bastard edit (#5, which was never an edit to the negative) which is what I spent the 80’s watching with the 85 audio mix.

Thank you very much Great list i will now update my list 😄

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#1083517
Topic
Project Super Box
Time

yotsuya said:

Star Wars has the folllowing versions:
(each distinct audio/visual combination listed separately)

1 - 1977 premier version - limited release. Preserved in Puggo Grand and Moth3r’s bootleg (and a few other sources). Identified by alternate end credits and 3 effects shots that were revised (the Star Destroyer shooting at the Falcon, the matte painting composite outside the hanger on Yavin IV, the planet/jungle composite of the fighters taking off). Likely all 70 mm prints were of this version. Featured one of the first 4 track surround sound mixes using the Dolby Stereo system. 1977 sound mix was the same for both matrix stereo and 6 track magnetic on 70 mm prints (the 70 mm prints featured at least one LFE track, probably two)
2 - 1977 wide release version - changed the end credits and the three effects shots. Also introduced the mono mix. Preserved in the Technicolor IB prints and all the known 35 mm prints. All foreign language versions of the film come from this edit.
3 - 1981 re-release - changed the opening crawl to add Episode IV and A New Hope. Otherwise the same as 2. It seems older prints in good shape had the new crawl spliced on so some prints may have been from the premier version.
4 - 1982-1985 home video release - A unique version found in home video that usually featured the 81 crawl, the original premier version of the three effects shots, and the revised end credits. 77 sound mix.
5 - 1985-1989 home video release - A unique version found in home video that featured the 81 crawl, the original premier version of the three effects shots, and the revised end credits. Preserved in the JSC. New sound mix.
6 - 1985 new interpositive version - 2 with the 1981 crawl. First release was the Definitive Edition with a new sound mix.
7 - 2006 GOUT - 6 with the original 1977 crawl put back. Essentially the same as 2, but with the audio mix of 6.
8 - 1997 SE
9 - 2004 DVD
10 - 2011 Blu-ray

Because of the timeline that some of the events are tied to (the foreign language prints, the mono mix, the extant 35 mm prints, the new interpostive in 1985), the alternate end credits and the alternate version of the three effects shots must be from the earliest prints. The negative was edited and remained unchanged (except for the opening crawl) from 1977 until the SE edits were made. My guess as to why so many versions of the home video feature the alternate three effects shot is that they used either interpostives or prints from the premier batch and updated the opening crawl and end credits. And they are only found in English language editions.

Many thanks for the list i will include all of these versions in my set now
PS If you can give a list like this for TESB and ROTJ that would be great thanks 😄

Post
#1083475
Topic
Project Super Box
Time

yotsuya said:

I’m doing something similar, but I’m merging the DVD/BR into a hybrid version. If you are going to be complete, I’ve identified 5 different versions of the original film (original 77 premiere, 77 general release, 81 rerelease, 80’s home video, and 90’s home video… And you could add the GOUT for a 6th version). There is the 75 mm version of TESB that you’d have to recreate, And a few other variations that don’t exist in high quality, such as the 35 mm version of AOTC. I’m sticking to just the major version unless I can use angles or something to include them.

The list of releases of what is in my box set goes as follows:
TPM:
1999 Version
2001 DVD Version
2011 Blu-ray Version
2012 3D Version (When they releases it on home video )

AOTC:
2002 Version
2002 DLP Version
2002 IMAX Version
2002 DVD Version
2002 UK DVD Version
2011 Blu-Ray Version
20XX 3D Version (Again when they release it)

ROTS:
2005 Version
2005 DVD Version
2011 Blu-Ray Version
20XX 3D Version

ANH:
1977 70 MM Version
1977 35 MM Version
1981 Version
1985 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 Version
2011 Version
20XX 3D version

TESB:
1980 70 MM Version
1980 35 MM Version
1985 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 Version
2011 Version
20XX 3D Version

ROTJ:
1983 Version
1985 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 Version
2011 Version
20XX 3D Version

Clone Wars:
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3

Droids:
Season 1

Ewoks:
Season 1
Season 2

TV Movies:
Holiday Special
Caravan of Courage
The Battle For Endor

The Clone Wars:
The Movie
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Season 5
Season 6
And Legacy Content

Rebels:
All the Shorts
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4

And Bonus Stuff Lots of it

is anybody has a specific request for bonus features or a specific version of any of the movies you can tell me anytime

Post
#1083151
Topic
Project Super Box
Time

First of all Hello!! everyone My name is Michael and i came onto this website to chat aswell as to get some help and tips with a star wars project i have started called SUPER BOX.

Now this project will be a star wars box set that will feature every version of the movies all tv shows and as many extras as i can find. (Note i will not be using the GOUT for the original versions i will rip them from sealed Laserdiscs. )
Most of the discs in the set will be discs form actual releases wich means the set will be a mix of Blu-Ray and DVD. (And maybe VCD if i chosse to use the 2000 ones for the 97 versions.)
Tell me what you think of the project and if there is anything you want to ask me you can anytime

The list of releases of what is in my box set goes as follows:
TPM:
1999 Version
2001 DVD Version
2011 Blu-ray Version
2012 3D Version
2015 Version

AOTC:
2002 Version
2002 DLP Version
2002 IMAX Version
2002 DVD Version
2002 UK DVD Version
2011 Blu-Ray Version
2015 Version
20XX 3D Version (Again when they release it)

ROTS:
2005 Version
2005 DVD Version
2011 Blu-Ray Version
2015 Version
20XX 3D Version

ANH:
1977 70 MM Version
1977 35 MM Version
1981 Version
1982 Version
1985 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 DVD Version
2011 Blu-Ray Version
2015 Version
20XX 3D version

TESB:
1980 70 MM Version
1980 35 MM Version
1982 Version
1985 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 Version
2011 Version
2015 Version
20XX 3D Version

ROTJ:
1983 Version
1986 Version
1993 Version
1997 Version
2004 Version
2011 Version
2015 Version
20XX 3D Version

Clone Wars:
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3

Droids:
Season 1

Ewoks:
Season 1
Season 2

TV Movies:
Holiday Special
Caravan of Courage
The Battle For Endor

The Clone Wars:
The Movie
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Season 5
Season 6
And Legacy Content

Rebels:
All the Shorts
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4

And Bonus Stuff Lots of it

is anybody has a specific request for bonus features or a specific version of any of the movies you can tell me anytime