1Shouta

hairy_hen said:

What's terrible about the idea of rebooting is that any such thing is absolutely guaranteed to be horrible.

The original films are so iconic and excellent that any attempt to 'improve' or 'reimagine' them could only ever suck copious amounts of hairy ass through a straw.  There's just no way around this.

That it's surefire rubbish almost promises that some schmo will actually try to do it at some point in the future, if there's nothing preventing them from doing so, particularly since Hollywood these days seems entirely devoid of new ideas aside from a couple of writers and directors.  This is one way in which I'm actually grateful for Lucas' stranglehold on SW, because at least nobody else can come along and find entirely new ways in which to screw it up.

The point of this topic is because I'm wondering how a decent Star Wars reboot would be handled. The topic title is "How would a Star Wars reboot do?" not, "How would a sucky Star Wars reboot do?"

I'm just curious to know as to how you guys would handle a decent Star Wars reboot. My point was, how would you do a Star Wars reboot that doesn't "suck copious amounts of hairy ass through a straw". At no point did I imply in my original post that "I want a Star Wars reboot, but I specifically want it to suck horribly".

And Mark Hamill is not a terrible actor. His performance as the Joker in the DCAU is definitive proof against that claim.

That's voice acting. His live-action performance in the Star Wars films was rather poor, especially considering how he's the lead. Let me say that this is MY opinion, which I'm entitled to, so you don't have to tell me "he's not a terrible actor", because that's your opinion. Your opinion isn't fact, and neither is mine. In my opinion however, his performance in the Star Wars films wasn't believable at all, and seemed rather forced, and it was quite apparent that there was a (bad) actor on the screen, not an actual character in a story.

Trying to make a better movie than a widely recognized original/old version is not only bold, but also somewhat ...inconsiderate? Not only towards the creator of the original, but also to all people who loved his work.

I'm just curious, but how is it inconsiderate? Nobody's forcing you to watch them. And when reboots are made, obviously the intent isn't to "create a movie that fans of the original will hate, and that people will think is trying too hard to be a better movie", the intent is to actually create a decent movie that people will actually like.

Part of our love has to do with nostalgia and the actors - your idea deprives us from that. Star Wars isn't just some n-th version of the Three Musketeers, that's shot every other year...

You have to understand that the nostalgia doesn't exist for anyone introduced to the Star Wars series during this century.

Let's think realistically. Obviously it's impossible to go back in time and prevent the SE or 2004 DVD's or Blu-Ray changes from ever happening. Lucas isn't going to release restored versions of the original films on Blu-Ray (and believe me, I want to see the originals in 1080p soooooooooooooo bad). I know not many people view it like this, but to me, I view Star Wars as something broken beyond repair. Having a DECENT reboot (not a sucky reboot), improving on the originals that people actually like would allow audiences to actually have decent pieces of art to appreciate, rather than the really weird "Tragedy of Darth Vader" story that Lucas is trying to turn Star Wars into.

none said:

1Shouta wrote: As we all know, the new-age Star Wars fan would never get to see the Original Trilogy in unaltered form.

Take a look around these forums, and this opinion may change.

I meant legally, in 1080p, on Blu-Ray.

As we all know, the new-age Star Wars fan would never get to see the Original Trilogy in unaltered form.

I'm pretty sure I'm significantly younger than all of you (I'm 17), so before any of you guys judge what I'm about to say, please keep in mind that I wasn't around in 1977, 1980, and 1983, and that the only versions of the OT I've ever seen are the 2004 DVD's (I've seen the prequel trilogy as well, and I watched all of them in Lucas's chronological order).

As I read more about Star Wars, originally I was all for Lucas making changes to keep in continuity. But one day, I came across the website for "The Secret History of Star Wars", and I read part of it (it's a book, and the guy posted the first 100 pages online). It changed my views completely. I now understand why all of the older fans dislike George Lucas and the Special Editions. I'm disgusted that the movies that Lucas is giving us aren't the movies that were shown in theaters back then. I want to know the special effects that were actually in the original films. There's a lot of other things that the website/book explained to me, I can't list them all, but one thing I remember is that basically the story Lucas told originally during the 70's and 80's is a different story he's telling now. He's simply using the content of his old movies and modifying it as part of his new story, the "Tragedy of Darth Vader". It just... doesn't make sense that he would do that. It's like taking an old painting and smearing poop on it, and calling it a new painting.

A recent Hollywood trend is reboots. Reboots gives the director freedom to do things his/her way. Obviously, all of the true Star Wars fans dislike Lucas's revisionism (don't worry, I dislike it too), and there's a lot of flaws in the Star Wars films. Why not reboot it and forget about the "Tragedy of Darth Vader" story that Lucas crafted?

The entire prequel trilogy in general are just flawed movies, and the acting in them is flat out terrible (although that's entirely the actor's fault, the script is terrible as well). I'm not going to list all the flaws of the prequel trilogy, because there are far too many, and I'm planning on never watching them ever again, ever. Now I know lots of you guys love the OT, but I'm going to list what I view as flaws with them (keep in mind I didn't get to view the originals like you guys did). And let me say, there are significantly less flaws in the OT than the PT, and that's because the OT was simply handled a lot better than the PT. But here are some of the flaws I see in both trilogies:

Spoiler:

 

*Basically the entire cast of the Prequel Trilogy are horrible actors. Either that, or the script was pretty bad, so it might not be the actor's fault

 

*Jar Jar Binks is stupid and shouldn't exist

*Waaaaaaaay too much CGI. I don't know why Lucas wants us to believe it's real, it looks so unbelievably fake. I remember watching Attack of the Clones for the first time and thinking, "does the director really expect us to think they look real?"

*Naboo's system of order makes no sense. QUEENS AREN'T ELECTED, GEORGE LUCAS!!!

*The PT lacks actual main characters. For instance, in the OT it's obviously Luke, Han, and Leia. But in the PT it's... Liam Neeson, and Obi-Wan? And Anakin? And Padme? And some older kid that's supposed to be Anakin? Jar Jar Binks? What?

*The PT lacks an actual villain. In the OT it's clear who it is (Vader), but in the PT it's...Maul? Dookoo? Emperor-dude? What?

*None of the characters in the PT have actual personalities, unlike the OT. Who the hell is Padme? Can Darth Maul talk?

*None of the CG characters look real. Lucas, are you serious? Do you really expect me to believe those Pixar-looking aliens are real? WTF?

 

Now, on to the OT:

*Mark Hamil is a terrible actor. 'nuff said. There's a reason why Harrison Ford got to act movies after Star Wars: he doesn't suck, unlike Hamil.

*As the films were being made, Lucas was already making changes to his vision. An obvious example of this is how Leia wasn't originally supposed to be Luke's brother

*Why are the hell are there cute little teddy bears in a Star Wars movie

*In my opinion, Return of the Jedi is just as bad as the prequel's. I did not enjoy watching it. It had the "third one sucks" syndrome that many trilogies have.

*I understand that this isn't a problem with the original films, but these days the movies are ruined with terrible 90's CGI, mixed with lame 2004 CGI, and lazily done CGI in 2011

Obviously we wouldn't want George Lucas to have any involvement whatsoever in the reboot, and there's no chance he's going to give up the rights, so we probably won't be seeing a reboot in a long time. But if one were to develop a full story for a reboot series, one that also keeps in spirit of Lucas's original vision during the 70's, how well would it do?

If a reboot were to happen, then none of the problems that Lucas caused would exist. Sure, lots of purist would be angry that it would happen, but at the same time, new Star Wars fans would have actual pieces of artwork to appreciate (assuming the reboot series is handled well), unlike what George Lucas is doing today. I would prefer that George Lucas has zero involvement in a reboot series, and that true Star Wars fans from the late 70's/early 80's are heavily involved in it (hopefully they're still alive by then).

I'm just wondering what's the point of Adywan doing Episodes I-III, when the acting in those movies are flat out terrible, and the way those movies are written seem like fan-films/fan-fiction. There's nothing Adywan can do to fix the bad acting, so why even bother?

Yesterday when I first found out about the "Nooo" I was laughing because I just thought that it was hilarious how they're trying to pass it off as something that could actually be in a movie. It looks like something someone would do on Youtube just for a good laugh. But now I've fully realized that Lucas is actually dead serious. Like, wtf? He just took away all the emotion in that scene. Although I thought it was hilarious the first time I saw it because I'm like, "WTF, HAHA SERIOUSLY?? THIS IS SO BAD IT MUST BE A JOKE"

lol and I just had to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EqJjUPbLs&feature=related

Using MS Paint, I traced over characters introduced in the OT with blue, then I traced over characters introduced in the PT with green. 

(the ones I didn't trace over are ones I don't know)

Seriously, look how much green (PT characters) there are than blue (OT characters). Notice how they made Vader, R2, and 3P0 huge compared to the other characters just to try and make the OT seem a bit bigger. roflmao

I've only seen the 2004 versions, and I saw them in chronological order. Here are my opinions:

SW(ANH) - 8/10

ESB - 10/10

ROTJ - 2/10

TPM - 4/10

AOTC - 2/10

ROTS - 6/10

I honestly don't see why many of you guys actually liked ROTJ. In my opinion, it's just as bad as the prequels.

I logged in after 2-3 years just to say this: I happen to lurk here today, and honestly, I am disgusted. Why the hell does LFL put some time into fixing minor stuff in the PT such as Yoda's direction in AotC, and making a new transfer of TPM to get rid of the pinkish tint the DVD had, yet, they fail to fix Episodes IV, V, and VI.

I was born in the 90's. The only way I can watch these films is by DVD. That means I can never see the original films that all of you older people fell in love with, and I am stuck with these bad edits with messed up colors, and I will never know how much of the special effects were originally done in the 70's.

...ugh...

*ahem* I am one of those "younger people". When I first watched Phantom Menace, I thought it was the most boring movie I've ever seen, but when I re-watched it I thought it was interesting in a way, since I knew what was happenning (but Jar-Jar still sucks). When I first watched Attack of the Clones, I thought it was interesting, but with lame dialogue sometimes. When I re-watched it, I didn't enjoy it that much. When I first watched Revenge Of The Sith, I thought it was great. When I re-watched it, I thought it was good, but lame corny dialogue sometimes. I haven't re-watched Episode IV, V, and IV yet.

Remember, I just became a Star Wars fan in December. That's only about 2 months ago.

Or this could have happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuDzAkRwNjM&feature=related

I'd like to say one more thing that I just remembered:

When I was watching Episode I & II, I hardly had any idea what was going on. Episode III was easier to understand, and I always knew what was happening in IV, V, and VI.

I remember my first reaction to the podrace scene, I thought, first of all, IS THIS SOME KIND OF RACE? FOR WHAT? WHY IS THIS SO DAMN LONG? After I watched it I thought it was a very boring movie and was too "political".

Also in the Han/Greedo scene from Episode IV, right after Han shot Greedo, I thought, "What just happened?" I can't explain what I exactly mean, all I know is that there was an explosion and the green alien is dead.

I re-watched Episode I last week, and I think it's a lot less boring if you actually know what's happening. But the only way in my view to make Star Wars truly perfect as a saga (not just IV, V, and VI) is to re-do I, II, and III. If I, II, and III was done with a different director, then the SE would have simply been better image quality (and other minor things that wouldn't have caused controversy)

Bingowings said:

1Shouta said:

Or rather than having Vader & Palpy watch over Imperial Star Destroyers, you could make the Death Star look more complete, giving the impression that by the time Episode IV happens it's been complete for a while.

That just makes the problem worse as the Death Star is just about finished in ANH.

That would mean that they almost finished it and then Grand Moff-balled it for nearly a couple of decades.

Then make further changes to Episode IV? I don't know. Yeah, I like the idea of Imperial Star Destroyers now.

Well if that's the case then I guess I can just forget about watching Revisited on a TV then. But thanks for the information, the problem is that downloading the 1-gig .avi took a day and a half, so I absolutely cannot download something thats 4/8 gigs...

But anyways, thanks for clearing things up.

I got the .avi file, but when ever I try to put it on a DVD+R or a DVD-RW my dvd player says, "cannot play disc". Then I tried converting it to .mpeg2, but it still won't work.

So how do I put it on a DVD+R and be able to enjoy it on a TV, not a computer? I have the full versions of the AVS Media programs.

Or rather than having Vader & Palpy watch over Imperial Star Destroyers, you could make the Death Star look more complete, giving the impression that by the time Episode IV happens it's been complete for a while.

2. New Emperor hologram so he looks more like he does in ROTJ than he does in the ROTS

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6127/norevk0.png http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7460/reib6.png

Slugs anyone?

The red box contains:

1. The Phantom Menace (DVD + Bonus Disc)

2. Attack Of The Clones (DVD + Bonus Disc)

3. Revenge Of The Sith (DVD + Bonus Disc)

The blue box contains:

1. A New Hope (Disc 1 is the 2004 edition, Disc 2 is the 2006 edition)

2. The Empire Strikes Back(Disc 1 is the 2004 edition, Disc 2 is the 2006 edition)

3. Return Of The Jedi (Disc 1 is the 2004 edition, Disc 2 is the 2006 edition)

So to answer your question, the blue box contains both the 2004 & 2006 versions.

I just became a Star Wars fan several months ago. I watched them in the numbered order, that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Besides that, the 2004 SE was the first vesions of the OT I saw, so I have different view on it. But I'm sure that I'd be pretty pissed if I grew up watching a perfect movie and then in the future they completely screw it up.

Even though I've only seen the SE of the OT, after reading about all of this I see what problems the changes I saw were.

Reaction to certain scenes:

A New Hope:

"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough": Anakin didn't even know he had a son...

Jabba/Han scene: I imagined Han's boss to be a bit...different

Luke's falcon training: Isn't he supposed to have a blue lightsaber?

Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader: Wonder why Obi-Wan calls him, "Darth"...

Empire Strikes Back:

Luke & Leia kiss: Wait, didn't Padme name her babies Luke & Leia?

Yoda's appearance: Did...is Yoda on drugs or something? And his voice got...heavier

Cloud City entrance: I seriously doubt that this scene was in the original version...

Vader/Emperor scene: Palpatine looks exactly the same as he did in Episode III. Don't people age?

"I am your father": I already suspected this in either one of the movies since it's probably the most heard quote

Return Of The Jedi:

Jabba's appearance: *just realizes that Episode I had Jabba* Alright, Episode IV CG Jabba officially sucks. This is much better.

Leia says she remembers her mother: BULL. SHIT.

Palpatine's appearance: He looks like he lost weight compared to Episode III & V...

Unmasking scene: If Anakin was burned, why does he only have burn marks on the side of his cheek?

Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda final scene: Why is Anakin just looking around everywhere?

My dad's reaction to the final scene: Who's that guy on the left?

Now typing this out helps me see why the PT kinda ruined the OT.