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NeverarGreat said:

I think TLJ is divisive precisely because it seemed to be crafted to cater to those who found no interest in TFA. Everything set up in the Force Awakens, from the map to Luke to Hux and Snoke, to the Knights of Ren and Rey’s history, are all either ignored or confirmed as narrative dead-ends to be used at face value and then discarded. It is not that this makes TLJ bad. On the contrary, taken in isolation it works well.

I mostly agree with this. TFA was amazing in the cinema but after getting it on DVD, I came to the realisation what a bad film it was. Aside from the fact that its ANH again, the first half of the film is just a string of insane coincidences that get everyone to where they need to go. Not only that but its barely linked to 6 at all, like there is a film missing in between and, presumably, just so that they can do ANH again. Though, I admit that a few of the setups might of paid off so I was still interested. R1 was ok.

I walked out of TLJ on the day that it opened and it killed my love of SW for a long time. Ive only recently just started watching the films again. Aside from Luke trying to murder someone is their sleep, he abandoned his friends, causing one of them to die. Kylo went to the dark side, murdered TONS of innocents and blew up planets because his uncle tried to murder him? Character motivation flips constantly, the plot felt like a filler episode of TCW TV show and there are a few violations to cannon. Yes, people can disagree with me on this last one but its my opinion. Weaponizing hyperspace and allowing force ghosts, who can pop up whenever and wherever they want, the power to destroy things with lightning was a terrible idea. Yoda was goofy like the way in ESB to test Lukes patience, not his actual self and the list goes on…

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But TFA was the start of a very different story, and to follow it with this is like forcing the pieces of two different puzzles together. It doesn’t matter if Rian’s oil painting is better than the crayon imitation of Star Wars from JJ, when put together it still results in a royal mess.

This.

I also dont want the mystery of Hans backstory explained to me ether. Sometimes the mystery is better than the actual answers. Will never watch.

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DougieP said:

I also dont want the mystery of Hans backstory explained to me ether. Sometimes the mystery is better than the actual answers. Will never watch.

I still haven’t watched Solo because of this too, I have zero interest in watching an origin story of the character.

I think they should’ve focused on side characters with these spin offs, just like they did with Rogue One. I have my problems with R1, but it had a much more appealing concept and I found it a meaningful addition to the saga.

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It really wasn’t an origin story so much as how Han met Chewie and got the Falcon, and we’ve known how he won it since 1980. The later Han Solo novels were much more lengthy and detailed in Han’s history than this movie. This was just a fun adventure like the early Brian Daley novels, which I’ve loved since I was a kid.
Are superheroes ruined for you because you know how they got their powers or decided to fight crime?

If any character’s origin is mysterious, it’s Yoda, and should remain so. And they’d better not de-mystify the Force by explaining that…oh crap…

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Voss Caltrez said:

pleasehello said:

fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

I don’t get why some people have such strong feelings against TFA. Yes, it hits almost the exact same plot points as Star Wars(blowing up a third Death Star was especially annoying). But since when has Star Wars been about super intricate and interesting plots?

The heart of Star Wars is in its characters and the drama that comes from their interactions. TFA succeeded marvelously at this; creating drama, emotion and fun new characters courtesy of spectacular performances from previously unknown actors. Yes, the plot is derivative, but it’s also almost irrelevant.

Good point, and I completely agree with you that the success of Star Wars is that it’s character driven.
But can a Star Wars film not aim a little higher? There’s a lot more competition in this genre than there was back in '78 and '80. You gotta step it up.

Star Wars movies should definitely start aiming higher. You can only go back to the same formula so many times, but in my opinion TFA was the perfect opportunity to play the safe bet.

What Disney refuses to do though, is branch out into unexplored territory. Relying instead on our knowledge of already existing characters and lore to generate interest. And it’s kind of stopped working. To my mind, that’s their biggest failing. I would love to see smaller budget films of different genres with completely new characters which take place in the Star Wars universe.

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Isn’t that what The Mandalorian series is doing?

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fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

But there’s your audience division right there: people that thought TFA was a lame rehash and people that loved TFA because it fed into their self importance as fans. RO did the same thing. Then TLJ came along and did it’s own thing and that part of the fandom lost their minds because it stopped telling them they matter.

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Mocata said:

fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

But there’s your audience division right there: people that thought TFA was a lame rehash and people that loved TFA because it fed into their self importance as fans. RO did the same thing. Then TLJ came along and did it’s own thing and that part of the fandom lost their minds because it stopped telling them they matter.

I think you’re on to something there. TFA went hard on nostalgia, essentially offering up one beloved Star Wars thing after another for the audience to remember and enjoy. It especially made sure that everything felt the same, even if it didn’t quite make sense due to the passage of time. It essentially said ‘your relationship with this is important and valuable’. Then TLJ comes along and says ‘nope, actually you’re a naive idiot for expecting everything to remain as it was’. And this in theory could be really good, but the story still needs to do the work of winning over an audience primed by TFA to see meaning and power in Luke, Snoke, Ren, the lightsaber, etc, etc.

If the reasons for negating TFA ring hollow, it risks negating the meaning of the story itself. That’s what I think has happened here. For some people, the reasons for Luke’s exile are insufficient, the explanation of Rey’s power fails to convince, the futility of Finn’s sacrifice is shot through with ambiguity, and so the center fails to hold.

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screams in the void said:

^ in the interests of trying to better understand where you are coming from , what was the explanation of Rey’s power that failed to convince that you mentioned?

Not the person you’re replying to but my main issue with Rey’s power is a general issue throughout almost all of “DisCanon” - lazy and dumbed down explanations that don’t mesh with what’s come before.

The simple fact is that Rey is magically the most powerful Jedi ever, even moreso than Anakin. Inside of a week without knowing anything beforehand she’s just suddenly fantastic and can stand toe-to-toe with anyone and everything. The difference between her and literal force Jesus Anakin though, is that Anakin had an explanation from the get go. Then you have Luke, who has force Jesus’ blood running in his veins but still is nowhere near as competent as Rey in the OT (if anyone starts saying Luke was just as bad because he blew up the Death Star I may just have a brain aneurysm). Meanwhile Rey, 2/3 of the way through the trilogy, is just unbelievably powerful for no reason.

The only excuse I ever see to rebut how stupidly powerful and perfect she is is “yes but in this one scene she is sad, and in this one scene she is struggling to deal with not knowing who she is.”

Anakin had to bare the weight of being crowned “The Chosen One” and Luke had to bare the weight of his Dad being the most evil man in existence. Taking this into account, we’re meant to find some rando junk scavenger who’s perfect at everything without having to earn a lick of it compelling because she’s sad she hasn’t seen her parents in 20 years, by comparison? Come on.

The excuse of “IX will fix it” doesn’t fly either because VIII didn’t fix VII and regardless films should stand on their own merit, not need other films to make sense. That’s poor writing.

On top of that you had the TLJ novel explain her powers that came out of nowhere as her downloading them from Kylo’s mind. Because apparently Star Wars movies are RPG video games now.

Star Wars writing has been across the board lazy beyond reconcile since 2015 and it’s only getting dumber.

Nobody gave a pass to Anakin being a 9 year old who could do anything despite him being force Jesus, so why in God’s name does Rey get one?

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SilverWook said:

It really wasn’t an origin story so much as how Han met Chewie and got the Falcon, and we’ve known how he won it since 1980. The later Han Solo novels were much more lengthy and detailed in Han’s history than this movie. This was just a fun adventure like the early Brian Daley novels, which I’ve loved since I was a kid.
Are superheroes ruined for you because you know how they got their powers or decided to fight crime?

If any character’s origin is mysterious, it’s Yoda, and should remain so. And they’d better not de-mystify the Force by explaining that…oh crap…

Superheroes aren’t ruined by origin stories, because usually we know their origin stories from the get go.
There are rare exceptions like Wolverine, and many would argue that his eventual origin ruined the mystique of the character and was disappointing.

As far as the SOLO movie ruining Han…I don’t think it ruins the character, but it doesn’t do the character, as played by Harrison Ford, justice.
In ANH we get the impression that Han is a scoundrel, this shades-of-grey character, who shoots first. The good guys enlist his help, only in return for money. Or course Han has a change of heart at the end, but we’re led to believe he’s led a pretty questionable life up to that point.
In SOLO…

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He’s pretty vanilla. A very safe, acceptable Disney hero. He’s Aladdin.
Normally, I’d say that the character is ruined for me, but SOLO is so different from the character we saw in ANH that it feels more like fan-fiction, than canon.
It’s a fun movie, but again, very safe. I think Han Solo’s real backstory is a lot more crazy.

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Whew, even in the most heated debates, I think it is all great we can talk about Star Wars, a thing we all love both in similar and different ways, but reading through this thread is exhausting.

I totally empathize with a lot of the issues people have with the new films, I also have my own issues, like the lack of political context. I feel like I could discuss all of these issues and explain my own perspective in hopes it could address the issues many of you have, but I also feel like we’ve had similar discussions enough times before to know that none of us will probably leave with our minds changed, at least not anytime soon. Not trying to say the haters are just hard-headed or something like that, not at all.

I just want to share my thoughts for a second.

A few years before TFA came out, I came to really dislike the prequels, movies I grew up loving. I even outlined, recasted and rewrote a different version of the prequels based off the Star Wars Ring Theory.
Sure, it was fun to do, and it still is fun to imagine what the Clone Wars would’ve been like if had been a war against Republic Troopers and Mandalorian Clones, but in retrospect it sort of felt like a waste of time.

Regardless, I think going through that process made me really think about what those movies were trying to say, and in the end it made me appreciate the prequels we already have even more. And while the movies clearly have problems (enter fan edits), I love the overall story they tell.

Maybe you won’t ever come around on the new films, and if you ever want to talk about them with me I would be happy to share my opinion, but I think for all of the people it is just going to take time for them to really get into them. I’m not saying they’re perfect, I’m over on the fan edit threads all the time trying to think of ways to improve them, but I think the overall story fits appropriately with the saga as a whole.

I just think saying the franchise is dead to you is a little melodramatic. Come on, try to have fun with them and be a little open-minded!

I know all of the criticism is coming from a place of love, we have a high standard for these movies and want them to be great. I still think there’s room for improvement, but I also think there is also a lot to love already too.

I just wish people didn’t worry so much and just try to go with the flow more. Try to understand rather than tear apart.

Now if the new Star Wars shows, Benioff & Weiss’ movies or Rian trilogy all turn out to be mediocre, then by all means hand me a pitchfork and let’s vote with our wallets, but I think we just have to be a little patient. Patience not only to come to understand the films we already have, but also to get more stories that we want, fresh adventures away from what we know, maybe even Old Republic stuff, but these things take time to make. They’ve been planning these new stories for awhile, but all of this can’t come out at once. Just give it time, they’re working on it. Hopefully since they’re not rushing, that will reflect on the story. I guess we’ll find out though!

Anyway, sorry to ramble. I don’t think everything in this new era of Star Wars is perfect, but there is a lot to enjoy, and I think they’re still figuring everything out and the best may be yet to come. I think us living in an age of instant gratification, we’re quick to forget the past and slow to try and really see the big picture. I just feel like the same people who say Star Wars is dead will be praising how much they love Star Wars years from now if Filoni was ever made president of Lucasfilm or if he got his own Old Republic live-action series or something.

I dunno, not trying to be too harsh, I think as fans we should be critical, but I also wish you guys would try to enjoy the ride a little bit more too!

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Once everyone accepts Star Wars is in a state of quantum superposition, we’ll all be contenter.

Arrivederci.

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^ I like what RogueLeader said up there …it’s like Star Wars will stay alive not by fighting what we hate about it , but saving what we love ! 😃 and I like what Duracell said too …Schrodenger’s Star Wars ? and the Trekkie comment was funny too , although , they can co exist . There was a Starlog magazine which had coverage of the 10th anniversary of Star Wars in which George Lucas shook Roddenberry’s hand and told him he stopped writing the script to Star Wars each afternoon to watch Trek re runs

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I had high hopes for THE LAST JEDI. In the end it literally killed my enjoyment for STAR WARS.

5 months later SOLO came along. The movie i never wanted to see because of common prejudice (don’t wanna see origin story bla bla / mystery is better bla bla).

Turns out: SOLO resurrected my enjoyment for STAR WARS immediately.

Who needs to see Rogue One? Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES 😉

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Re: Rey’s powers…

I honestly think the new makers want to re-shape the whole Force-training aspect of the original/prequel trilogy in order to move the narrative of new stories along faster.

Instead of having every new Force sensitive person having to dedicate a chunk of his or her life training (and thus taking up narrative time as well), we can do an X-Men-esque “awakening” in which characters are given raw powers but need guidance on what to do with those powers (so with great power comes great responsibility etc).

I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?

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^lol . And they did call the first of the movies the force AWAKENS , so this theory makes sense to me . I also had the thought the other day that perhaps Rey’s abilities were shaped more rapidly by being on Ach To as that was hinted to be the first Jedi temple in TFA . I like to think such a place would be a powerful nexus for the Force .

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Mavimao said:

I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?

No, but we needed an explanation because these films are claiming to be the 7th and 8th part of a 40 year old episodic saga and they don’t seem to care about anything set up prior.

It’s really no wonder so many people see these films as corporate fan fiction.

If TFA and TLJ were just stand alone spin off movies most people would probably dismiss them like they did Solo, but the problem is they’re saying this is the “sequel trilogy” despite advancing nothing of narrative substance in the broader context and actively going out of its way to undermine everything that came before.

I maintain that in twenty years the only thing this trilogy will be recognised for is the biggest wasted opportunity in cinematic history. They had endless potential and could have done literally anything, but instead went for a quick nostalgic cashgrab that’ll age like an opened can of beer. Unbelievable.

I’m personally in a weird spot because I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo, but have hated every other piece of material we’ve been given. At this point as far as I’m concerned the saga is I - VI and the only thing I’m interested in is the spin off movies and upcoming shows. More power to you if you’re looking forward to IX, but it just ain’t for me.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Mavimao said:

I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?

No, but we needed an explanation because these films are claiming to be the 7th and 8th part of a 40 year old episodic saga and they don’t seem to care about anything set up prior.

It’s really no wonder so many people see these films as corporate fan fiction.

If TFA and TLJ were just stand alone spin off movies most people would probably dismiss them like they did Solo, but the problem is they’re saying this is the “sequel trilogy” despite advancing nothing of narrative substance in the broader context and actively going out of its way to undermine everything that came before.

I maintain that in twenty years the only thing this trilogy will be recognised for is the biggest wasted opportunity in cinematic history. They had endless potential and could have done literally anything, but instead went for a quick nostalgic cashgrab that’ll age like an opened can of beer. Unbelievable.

I’m personally in a weird spot because I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo, but have hated every other piece of material we’ve been given. At this point as far as I’m concerned the saga is I - VI and the only thing I’m interested in is the spin off movies and upcoming shows. More power to you if you’re looking forward to IX, but it just ain’t for me.

I agree with you but I do like the Vader comics

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Ryan-SWI said:

You didn’t see George talking about how god awful the OT was while promoting the PT.

I did see it! Good old George kept refering to the Original Trilogy as “unfinished films” and kept talking about how much happier he was in the cold and controlled enviroment of the prequels.

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Voss Caltrez said:

SilverWook said:

It really wasn’t an origin story so much as how Han met Chewie and got the Falcon, and we’ve known how he won it since 1980. The later Han Solo novels were much more lengthy and detailed in Han’s history than this movie. This was just a fun adventure like the early Brian Daley novels, which I’ve loved since I was a kid.
Are superheroes ruined for you because you know how they got their powers or decided to fight crime?

If any character’s origin is mysterious, it’s Yoda, and should remain so. And they’d better not de-mystify the Force by explaining that…oh crap…

Superheroes aren’t ruined by origin stories, because usually we know their origin stories from the get go.
There are rare exceptions like Wolverine, and many would argue that his eventual origin ruined the mystique of the character and was disappointing.

As far as the SOLO movie ruining Han…I don’t think it ruins the character, but it doesn’t do the character, as played by Harrison Ford, justice.
In ANH we get the impression that Han is a scoundrel, this shades-of-grey character, who shoots first. The good guys enlist his help, only in return for money. Or course Han has a change of heart at the end, but we’re led to believe he’s led a pretty questionable life up to that point.
In SOLO…

SPOILERS
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He’s pretty vanilla. A very safe, acceptable Disney hero. He’s Aladdin.
Normally, I’d say that the character is ruined for me, but SOLO is so different from the character we saw in ANH that it feels more like fan-fiction, than canon.
It’s a fun movie, but again, very safe. I think Han Solo’s real backstory is a lot more crazy.

We’re seeing him at very beginning of his smuggler career. It would have been unrealistic to show young Han fully formed as the character we met in ANH. The Brian Daley books painted a good picture of Han as someone who rarely trusted anyone but his Wookiee pal. One character threw the question Where are the people in your life? at him. He plays at being cynical to avoid getting attached, avoid pain. But he also occasionally does the right thing. He smuggles weapons to a group who have little chance of defeating their oppressors, (outnumbered and inexperienced) but takes the time to show them how to work a blaster properly.
If we get a second movie, I’m sure we would see Han become more like that cynical guy who ended up smuggling drugs for Jabba. 😛

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You know how folks say we should never have put man on the moon, because that’s the bar that everything gets judged against? Well it’s the the same with Star Wars because we had The Empire Strikes Back. If not for Empire we might find Ewoks and Midichlorians and ‘Greedo shot first’ and the conga-line of cantinas/Death Stars much easier to bear.

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I’m a NASA brat, and I’ve never heard that. 😉

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Shopping Maul said:

You know how folks say we should never have put man on the moon, because that’s the bar that everything gets judged against? Well it’s the the same with Star Wars because we had The Empire Strikes Back. If not for Empire we might find Ewoks and Midichlorians and ‘Greedo shot first’ and the conga-line of cantinas/Death Stars much easier to bear.

Hard disagree because you’re comparing butchering the original version of something to ESB being hailed as a great movie. Those two things do not equate.

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SilverWook said:

Voss Caltrez said:

SilverWook said:

It really wasn’t an origin story so much as how Han met Chewie and got the Falcon, and we’ve known how he won it since 1980. The later Han Solo novels were much more lengthy and detailed in Han’s history than this movie. This was just a fun adventure like the early Brian Daley novels, which I’ve loved since I was a kid.
Are superheroes ruined for you because you know how they got their powers or decided to fight crime?

If any character’s origin is mysterious, it’s Yoda, and should remain so. And they’d better not de-mystify the Force by explaining that…oh crap…

Superheroes aren’t ruined by origin stories, because usually we know their origin stories from the get go.
There are rare exceptions like Wolverine, and many would argue that his eventual origin ruined the mystique of the character and was disappointing.

As far as the SOLO movie ruining Han…I don’t think it ruins the character, but it doesn’t do the character, as played by Harrison Ford, justice.
In ANH we get the impression that Han is a scoundrel, this shades-of-grey character, who shoots first. The good guys enlist his help, only in return for money. Or course Han has a change of heart at the end, but we’re led to believe he’s led a pretty questionable life up to that point.
In SOLO…

SPOILERS
.
.
.
.
.
He’s pretty vanilla. A very safe, acceptable Disney hero. He’s Aladdin.
Normally, I’d say that the character is ruined for me, but SOLO is so different from the character we saw in ANH that it feels more like fan-fiction, than canon.
It’s a fun movie, but again, very safe. I think Han Solo’s real backstory is a lot more crazy.

We’re seeing him at very beginning of his smuggler career. It would have been unrealistic to show young Han fully formed as the character we met in ANH. The Brian Daley books painted a good picture of Han as someone who rarely trusted anyone but his Wookiee pal. One character threw the question Where are the people in your life? at him. He plays at being cynical to avoid getting attached, avoid pain. But he also occasionally does the right thing. He smuggles weapons to a group who have little chance of defeating their oppressors, (outnumbered and inexperienced) but takes the time to show them how to work a blaster properly.
If we get a second movie, I’m sure we would see Han become more like that cynical guy who ended up smuggling drugs for Jabba. 😛

You make a good point that he’s at the beginning of his smuggling career.
But he’s not at the beginning of his criminal career.
He says in the film that he’s been running scams on the streets since he was 10.
I’d imagine that by the time he was 18 he would be a little more hardened.
It’s funny that he has to be taught, as an adult, “not to trust ANYONE.”
How would he have survived that long without having already had that type of attitude.
That’s something juvenile criminals learn early on.

You mention that he’s at the beginning of his smuggling career, so he’s a different Han from the one we see in ANH, right? And yet, not really. Han risks his life at the end of ANH to help the rebels. At the end of SOLO, he risks his life to help the rebels.