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why does vader say obi wan has trained u well ?

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In ep 5 and 6 Darth vader allways says obi wan has trained u well to luke . why does he say that?
I thought he hated obi ? ( EP 3 anakin/vader says I hate u !!!! to obi )
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It's pretty obvious to Darth Vader that Luke as been taught by Obi-Wan in the arts of the force and lightsaber dueling. If you'll remember that from Vader's point of view (either pre PT or post PT) Obi had Luke and was training him. Vader was impressed that Obi-Wan could teach Luke all those great Jedi moves, arts, Jedi logic, and Jedi theology. Now it is times for Vader to make a move on Luke.

So when Vader says"Obi-wan has trained you well..." you'd better prepare for "...but I can teach you what he cannot the greatest power known to man lies on the path to dark side. Join me, my son, and together we can rule galaxy as father and son."

It's a sales pitch from Vader.

So when you take your car to a dealership

Salesman: "Toyota has made you a well built car......., but I can sell you a 2007 Chevrolet pickup which will of the ameneties for 75 cents to the dollar. Buy this car and together you will climb a mountain or pull a stump."

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Because Obi-wan did a pretty good job of training Luke. He took a seventeen-year-old kid with no Force experience and got him developing extrasensory perception within a couple of hours.
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I saw it as simultaneously honorable and insulting. He's conceding that Obi-Wan was indeed a very fine Jedi and a fine teacher as well. But I also saw something sarcastic in there, possibly as a reference as to how Vader felt about Obi-Wan as his own teacher, especially his inability to keep Vader under his wing (something I hadn't thought about until I started writing this post) and also as a slightly disarming phrase (you can see in ROTJ that Vader soon follows it with a sneak attack).

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but yoda trained him too way didnt vader say his name too ??
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Originally posted by: SW
but yoda trained him too way didnt vader say his name too ??


I don't think Vader ever actually knew if Yoda was still kickin'. Unless EU dictates otherwise, Vader only knew that Obi-Wan was still rockin' on.
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And even if he did know that Yoda was alive, he wouldn't have known that Yoda trained Luke. He only ever saw Luke and Obi-Wan in the same traveling party together. I don't necessarily see this as a fault on the PT's part, but I always imagined it that Anakin and Yoda didn't have much of a relationship, as in they weren't really involved with each other all that much at all, but Yoda was moved to the forefront of all Jedi business in the PT, so, whatever...

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I've always imagined that Vader assumed that if Yoda was still alive, he would be on Alderaan with Bail Organa, as he helped Yoda escape - so he would consider him dead. Palpatine clearly saw that Yoda escaped alive, and made no further attempts to hunt him down and destroy him... Maybe he knew that as a CGI character he could fight back, but as a Frank Oz puppet he could only speak and use the force to levitate things!

Regarding the "Obi Wan has taught you well", I always thought "well he didn't say much to Luke", but he didn't know about Luke's trainning with Yoda. Not much of a plot hole, but a gross missasumption by Vader, even considering Obi Wan was killed by himlself years before ESB.
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Back before those prequels and EU books screwed everything up in the continuity, I always saw Yoda as being a native of Dagobah, not an exile there. Like a Buddhist monk or something that a fledgling warrior had to track down in order to be worthy of training, he trained Jedi like you'd teach Zen -- not via some stupid "code." If you look at the OOT without the filter of the EU or the Prequels, Vader never even met Yoda, let alone knew where he was, because Obi-Wan discovered and trained him instead, thinking he could do just as good a job as Yoda. According to the ROTJ novelization, only the Emperor had heard of Yoda, and was the one who figured out that he completed Luke's training after Ben's death.

The O-OT universe is a sensible place, where 12-year-olds aren't elected as rulers of a planet, where Zen warriors don't have a rulebook, where small children aren't trained in the art of battle, and where you don't die in childbirth from a broken heart.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Back before those prequels and EU books screwed everything up in the continuity, I always saw Yoda as being a native of Dagobah, not an exile there.

I always thought it made the most sense that Yoda had chosen to live there by choice and that it was basically his home. Though, with the way the empire hunted down Jedi (according to ANH), I had also always thought that his home was most likely a secret at the very least. Also, I remember thinking that perhaps he had chosen it as his home after fleeing some kind of threat.


Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
The O-OT universe is a sensible place, where 12-year-olds aren't elected as rulers of a planet, where Zen warriors don't have a rulebook, where small children aren't trained in the art of battle, and where you don't die in childbirth from a broken heart.


Total agreement there.

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I always took it that Yoda lived on Dagobah because it was teeming with life which would hide his presence. Obi Wan points out that the Force is created by Life and later Luke makes a point of stating that the life readings were off the chart when he arrives on Dagobah.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
I always took it that Yoda lived on Dagobah because it was teeming with life which would hide his presence. Obi Wan points out that the Force is created by Life and later Luke makes a point of stating that the life readings were off the chart when he arrives on Dagobah.


EU says that is part of it, the other is that he lived in a force sensitive tree that somehow canceled out the presence of Yoda in the force. Also, he chose to live near a Dark Side cave (the cave that Luke enters) that counteracted his force presence. Plus, Dogabah was deleted from the Jedi archives prior to the Jedi purge and nobody knew about it.
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I've never took that Yoda always lived on Dagobah because he mentions on the OT that he trainned Jedi. I don't think all of his students, including Obi Wan, would spend some time in Dagobah trainning and then go back.
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I've been thinking about this and I don't believe I really even understand the question. Why wouldn't he be able to say that Obi Wan trained Luke well, whatever his feelings about Obi Wan? Besides, Darth really has no idea how long Obi Wan and Luke were together. He could have trained Luke from childhood as far as he knew.
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Luke was trained alot later becouse they thought if we train him as a young kid he will turn out just like darth vader . :
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Yeah, but the question still doesn't make any sense. Why would he not acknowledge Obi Wan's training of Luke regardless of whether he hated him or not?