if u watch the scene in ROTS where mace is battling the emperor, have u noticed how much hatred and anger he puts into wanting to kill him? i mean, mace was gonna strike the emperor down without any remorse what so ever. Don't u think he was going to the dark side?
No. Because Mace, being played by Samuel L. Jackson is one bad motherf**ker, and can use a certain fighting style that allows him to tap into the Darkside, but not be turned by it. Did I mention Samuel L. Jackson is one bad motherf**ker? Oh yeah, and he gets a purple lightsaber! Ah, the prequels are such a lovely mess, you've got to love them.
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No. I wish the PT had a scene with Mace Windu where he was for some reason seperated from his lightsaber and had someone give it back to him,
Mace: "Now I want you to go over there and find my lightsaber."
Person getting his saber for him: "Which one is it?"
Mace: "It's the one that says Bad Motherfucker on it."
Person getting his saber for him pulls out a saber with "Bad Motherfucker" inscribed on the handle in fancy lettering.
Mace: (excitedly) That's my Bad Motherfucker!
Mace ignites it and starts slashing down CG robots/bugs/aliens/Clones/Sith Lords with his brilliant purple blade.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Maybe Clone Wars will give us Mace battling Mynocks while trapped aboard a passenger vessel of some kind. :D
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Pulp Fiction was one of the most overrated movies ever, I just dont understand what everyone saw in that film.
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In Shatterpoint by stover a novel you read that he walks the razors edge between the light side and the dark side because of his fighting style, Vaapad?
A lot of jedi seem to draw on anger or hatred to destroy their enemies. It seems to me logical to hate injustice and evil, and sometimes to fight it you slip down to your enemies level and use the same tactics because the end justifies the means. At least this is how it works in fiction and in real life for lots of people though i am not speaking from personal experience.
Remember how angry and powerful Obi Wan was when qui gon was cut down by darth maul? He seemed to be drawing on the dark side there to win the duel, kind of how luke goes nuts in return of the jedi.
Anakin goes even further by losing himself to anger over the death of his mother and kills a whole colony of tuskens even women and children. Also out of anger and revenge he cuts off both count dookus hands and when he begs and pleads for mercy beheads him. Then to save padme he kills all his jedi brethren including the children and women, armed and unarmed. Supposedly even the civilians working at the temple who just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Also remember Dooku was a jedi and his padawan was Qui Gon. and Dookus master/teacher was Yoda. So not only did Kenobi fail as a teacher training Anakin. Yoda failed as well. Unless the failure was the students alone.
It certainly gives new meaning to Kenobi's speech about anakin " I thought i could instruct him just as well as yoda. i was wrong."
Originally it was Kenobi's pride and hubris for taking on Anakin as a student against the jedi orders wishes, we don't know enough but maybe he broke the rules and was not even supposed to train anyone because he was just a knight and not a master. Now instead of Yoda being the wise one and perfect jedi he is as much a liar as kenobi and a douchebag for allowing Dooku his student to rise to becoming a sith lord.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
AxiaEuxine said:Pulp Fiction was one of the most overrated movies ever, I just dont understand what everyone saw in that film.
I agree it was probably overrated. I have heard some people proclaim it to be the greatest film of all time. But it all honesty, it was a pretty hilarious movie. In a world where your typical teen sex comedy (American Pie, Superbad, etc.) are considered the epitomy us humor, or movies like (Tropic Thunder, Observe and Report) are considered excellent comedies, it is nice to look back at a classic like Pulp Fiction and find something that does more than just pretend to be funny, but really is. Pulp Fiction even has the added plus of possibly getting you to think a little bit in process, if you chose to take the time to consider the characters. Interestingly, this is coming from a guy who doesn't care one bit for any of Tarantino's other work. It is also significant to note, that when that film came out, there was nothing out there quite like it. It was something new and fresh amongst hoards of the same-ol'-thing. Since you see films like AOTC and ROTS as great films, I am sure you can forgive others for thinking Pulp Fiction is something special.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Pulp Fiction is disturbing like any of Tarantino's films. But there is something strangely compelling about it. The script was brilliant and the directing and stylized look brilliant. Samuel L Jackson has never done better acting work. This movie made his credentials. Too bad he has done nothing but bad movies since then.
I would classify pulp fiction as tarantino's one masterpiece, just like Shamalan's Sixth Sense a one off if you will.
The hippest coolest film of the 90's was Pulp Fiction. At leat according to the cool crowd at my old school which i was not a part of.
Dude comparing a cultural icon like pulp fiction to the star wars prequels is just laughable beyond any degree. Maybe you could make a case in comparing its cultural impact to those of the original star wars trilogy which i would not do myself. But the six hours of video game footage with no story prequels, get outta here pal,lol.
I wish the New Star Wars trilogy was as good as the original or at least on par with Peter Jackson's Lord of The rings trilogy. What did i get one of the most ineply directed and scripted over the top special effects reels ever assembled. George never raped my childhood but the prequels sure did crap all over the memories of the magical days of my childhood.
But it is a truism you have to accept as an adult you can never relive your childhood again. That is not Lucas fault that the fan base grew up and away and wanted less kiddie stuff.
At the end of the day i accept the films as they are and not as the films i wanted them to be. After all they are only movies. It is just a nice little pastime to talk over the details of what you would have liked to be different or what would you have done in Lucas shoes.
Even Marcia Lucas said to george "you canot peak forever george" Eventually the artistic hits are replaced with commercial ones. He continued to make great films up to 1989 and during the Young Indy series. But after that everything has been shit. Though episode 1 was okay as a kind of disney like kids movie. Episodes II and III where worse because they were all frenetic action and no substance.
Lucas i believe is a genious and has great ideas. Not always easy to get those down on paper or capture them on film.
Leaving it to the EU novelists to fill in the blanks or add human depth to the characters is a joke.
Lucas most interesting ideas were underplayed and glossed over with cgi sequences. One of the most interesting to me is the commentary on how a democracy can become a dictator state or an empire, and i believe Lucas was echoing history here as well as trying to apply it to our own times.
Lucas studied anthropology, and the social sciences and is not a dumb man. I think he just does not trust his audience patience and only does faster and more intense and quick pase and cuts in his movie scenes when he could have made a great dark epic about Anakins Fall from grace and why democracy is worth fighting for and why people should not give into being oppressed and subverted. The Rebellion storyline for instance should have been in the movies.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:Originally it was Kenobi's pride and hubris for taking on Anakin as a student against the jedi orders wishes, we don't know enough but maybe he broke the rules and was not even supposed to train anyone because he was just a knight and not a master. Now instead of Yoda being the wise one and perfect jedi he is as much a liar as kenobi and a douchebag for allowing Dooku his student to rise to becoming a sith lord.
Good point.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
AxiaEuxine said:Pulp Fiction was one of the most overrated movies ever, I just dont understand what everyone saw in that film.
It was pretty good, but definitely overrated. The most overrated Tarantino film is Resevoir Dogs. Load of crap. I find Tarantino to be a very much overrated director/filmmaker, but then there are a lot of those.
Blasphemy! Reservoir Dogs is the single authentically great film Tarantino made. Kill Bill is very good and a lot of fun; Pulp Fiction is great, but it tries too hard. You can't build quirk into every single character and every single scene. It gets old.
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Kill Bill might have been some use if they hadn't cast Uma Thurman in the main role.
C3PX said:skyjedi2005 said:Originally it was Kenobi's pride and hubris for taking on Anakin as a student against the jedi orders wishes, we don't know enough but maybe he broke the rules and was not even supposed to train anyone because he was just a knight and not a master. Now instead of Yoda being the wise one and perfect jedi he is as much a liar as kenobi and a douchebag for allowing Dooku his student to rise to becoming a sith lord.
Good point.
Anakin was a knight and he was training asoka, though, i hated that they put that in there.
Maybe it's just the perception of Samuel Jackson and the characters he's played in the past, but I always got the feeling that Mace Windoo had a bit of a shady past and had perhaps dabbled in the darker side of the force and returned to the light, a bit like a reformed alcoholic or a born-again christian, he knows the power and danger of the dark-side and will stop at nothing to destroy it, he know he needs to destroy Palpatine or die trying.
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Get these @#$#$% Mynocks off of this @#$E% Blockade Runner!
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As I said before, Samuel Jackson should not have been Mace, he should have been a wild Jedi Knight who often borders on the Dark Side, but never turns. Who challenges Anakin's rise in the order and dislikes Obi Wan's ways. Generally disagrees with the ideas of the council. Essentially, he is the first one that the Council would guess is likely to turn, but is actually more devoted than even they can imagine, just skirts the rules to achieve a light side victory at times. In the end, his character could have been found to be the ONLY one who seemed to know Anakin would turn and is finally the last chance for the Jedi Order, but loses to Darth Vader in a badass fight. Why I'd make him merely a Jedi Knight? Easy, because he would never be tied down to the Jedi Council. There could be a whole comic book line of his adventures and getting dicplinary actions from the Council for his "bad" decisions. That's just always the way I imagined it.
