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What musical theme do you think could fit for the Prequel crawls? I imagine something less bombastic and more operatic. Could Across the Stars work? That’d be a great fit for the more peaceful openings of TPM and AOTC, but I don’t think it’d fit into ROTS.

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The original crawl has an ABA structure and Across the Stars would work for the B section, but it would need something more energetic for the A and C sections.

JEDIT: This would have been a perfect place for a “Republic” theme which could have morphed into the Imperial March theme throughout ROTS.

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OutboundFlight said:

What musical theme do you think could fit for the Prequel crawls? I imagine something less bombastic and more operatic. Could Across the Stars work? That’d be a great fit for the more peaceful openings of TPM and AOTC, but I don’t think it’d fit into ROTS.

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Harrison Ford’s performance as Han Solo in TFA is his best performance as Han.

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Check out Samuel Kim on YouTube, he does some pretty rockin stuff!

Eh, he kinda dumbs down music to a very generic “epic trailer” style.

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NeverarGreat said:

The original crawl has an ABA structure and Across the Stars would work for the B section, but it would need something more energetic for the A and C sections.

JEDIT: This would have been a perfect place for a “Republic” theme which could have morphed into the Imperial March theme throughout ROTS.

Anakin’s theme, if you changed the rhythm slightly, might work. Maybe even use the variation heard in “Panaka and the Queen’s Protectors” which has the same opening phrase but with the Imperial March ending removed.

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rocknroll41 said:

I wrote another series of Star Wars articles (three this time) where I analyze each film and show one at a time. Here’s Part 1 (there’s a link to the next part at the end of each post): https://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-good-bad-star-wars-lucas-era.html?m=1

I’m putting this link here cause it details a lot of my unpopular opinions.

For whoever is interested, I have now added a Part 4 to the series of blog posts above (sorry, couldn’t help myself). I go into detail about why I thought certain things in TLJ were justified (Luke’s arc, Finn’s arc, the Holdo maneuver, etc.), and also defend some other controversial moments in the franchise that even I don’t like, just for the sake of playing devil’s advocate.

I promise that this is my last starwars blog post for awhile, so I’ll stop spamming this thread with my blog. Thanks.

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Jared Leto’s Joker had the best hair of any Joker. It’s vividly colored and more Joker style than Anakin Style like Ledger and Phoenix.

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McDonald’s is overrated.

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A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.

The first act of RotJ is my favorite part of the movie.

TRoS is the most enjoyable of the sequel trilogy. TFA was the hardest to sit through.

I didn’t like Harrison Ford’s performance in TFA.

Phil Lord and Chris Miller should have been allowed to finish Solo, and the movie should have been a comedy, though ideally, it should have been a Lando movie instead.

Killing off Han in RotJ would have been a mistake. If there was any time to kill him off, it should have been at the end of ESB during the freezing process.

Kylo Ren’s mask should have remained destroyed and never been repaired or replaced. That was one of the parts of TLJ I actually liked.

Modern Star Wars is mostly bad, only occasionally having moments of greatness.

Lando is better than Han.

Mandalorians are overused, and are no longer cool.

Revenge of the Sith has gone from underrated to overrated in the span of the past few years, and I don’t fully understand why.

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Servii said:

A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.

Could you elaborate on this. I’ve always been of the opinion that ESB had the tightest script but I’d be glad for a different take.

Servii said:

I didn’t like Harrison Ford’s performance in TFA.

Agreed.

Servii said:

Phil Lord and Chris Miller should have been allowed to finish Solo, and the movie should have been a comedy, though ideally, it should have been a Lando movie instead.

Though I’m pretty indifferent to Solo and question if it should have been made at all, I’m always in favor of the original director(s) being able to finish their work.

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Killing off Han in RotJ would have been a mistake. If there was any time to kill him off, it should have been at the end of ESB during the freezing process.

Yes. Absolutely.

Servii said:

Kylo Ren’s mask should have remained destroyed and never been repaired or replaced. That was one of the parts of TLJ I actually liked.

Modern Star Wars is mostly bad, only occasionally having moments of greatness.

Agreed on all counts.

Servii said:

Lando is better than Han.

I like Lando but he gets very little to do outside of ESB and Han feels more fleshed out overall.

Servii said:

Mandalorians are overused, and are no longer cool.

I’m not (yet) tired of Mandolorians, but I feel sure I will be before long. I am pretty much done with Ashoka after Season 7 of TCW.

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Revenge of the Sith has gone from underrated to overrated in the span of the past few years, and I don’t fully understand why.

I feel like the Plinkett reviews likely moved it in one direction, though I wasn’t really paying attention to the fandom before 2010. The fall out from the ST combined with a sudden onrush of Prequel apologists resulting from the generation who grew up with the PT coming of age has moved it the other way. Personally, I feel that its too flawed to be held in the same regard as Star Wars or Empire, but its up there with Jedi as an ambitious, at times brilliant, addition to the saga.

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Ashoka should be killed off. I’m tired of her showing up in every piece of supplemental material.

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fmalover said:

Ashoka should be killed off. I’m tired of her showing up in every piece of supplemental material.

Not killed off instead just get a happy ending.

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Servii said:

A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.

I guess it does. Apart from the story, all the world-building and character introductions needed to be done, and it also has a story arc on its own.

The first act of RotJ is my favorite part of the movie.

Agreed.

TRoS is the most enjoyable of the sequel trilogy. TFA was the hardest to sit through.

Just the other way round for me.

I didn’t like Harrison Ford’s performance in TFA.

Me neither, it just seemed somewhat forced. Strangely, what annoyed me most was when he shot Chewbacca’s crossbow and was surprised about its power - as if he had never used it in the decades they’ve known each other!

Phil Lord and Chris Miller should have been allowed to finish Solo, and the movie should have been a comedy, though ideally, it should have been a Lando movie instead.

Sounds interesting, maybe it would have been better?

Killing off Han in RotJ would have been a mistake. If there was any time to kill him off, it should have been at the end of ESB during the freezing process.

Agreed. Maybe that’s why Harrison’s performance was somewhat off.

Kylo Ren’s mask should have remained destroyed and never been repaired or replaced. That was one of the parts of TLJ I actually liked.

He never should have taken it off in the first place! It totally destroyed the aura. Imagine Darth Vader had taken off his helmet in ANH after a few minutes!

Modern Star Wars is mostly bad, only occasionally having moments of greatness.

How is this an “unpopular opinion”? Isn’t that a consensus?

Lando is better than Han.

No, he isn’t. Sorry.

Mandalorians are overused, and are no longer cool.

In general, maybe. But THE Mandalorian is still cool, I think.

Revenge of the Sith has gone from underrated to overrated in the span of the past few years, and I don’t fully understand why.

How was it ever underrated? It is just poorly made and an awful movie. When I watched it in theaters back then, I was more laughing at the unintended comedy of the bad writing and acting.

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Mandalorians in the OT and PT are only cool because the Mandalorian culture hasn’t been established yet, so they by definition don’t act like Mandalorians.

Mandalorians in Clone Wars were a pointless waste of episodes except for that one Mandalorian who doesn’t act like a Mandalorian.

Mandalorians in Rebels are almost entirely pointless, except for a single episode: ‘Trials of the Darksaber’ where the Mandalorian doesn’t act like a typical Mandalorian.

Mandalorians in The Mandalorian are worthless except for the one Mandalorian who is gradually deprogrammed from his cult of Mandalorians.

In conclusion:

Mandalorians suck

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Servii said:

A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.

Could you elaborate on this. I’ve always been of the opinion that ESB had the tightest script but I’d be glad for a different take.

There are a few things I can think of from the movie. I don’t want to come off like I’m bashing Empire. I love Empire. I just think Star Wars is marginally better in terms of writing.

When Han is planning to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba, everyone (including Han himself) acts like this has to be a permanent departure. When really, there’s no reason why, in the 3-year gap between movies, Han couldn’t have just stopped by to pay off his debt then come back to the Alliance. He really only needed to make a quick trip and come back, but everyone acts like he’s abandoning the cause forever.

The whole Mynock/Space Slug sequence felt a little unnecessary, since the heroes find themselves in the exact same situation of being chased by a Star Destroyer as they were before.

Han’s trick of camouflaging the Falcon on the back of a Star Destroyer probably shouldn’t have worked since there were so many other Destroyers nearby facing different directions, so one of them was bound to spot it.

It’s odd that Han or Leia never noticed Slave I flying behind them during their sublight journey to Bespin.

Luke was able to go straight to Bespin, despite having no way of knowing what planet he saw in his vision or where that planet was located.

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m4zzic said:

He never should have taken it off in the first place! It totally destroyed the aura. Imagine Darth Vader had taken off his helmet in ANH after a few minutes!

I agree with you that, in an ideal world, the mask should’ve stayed on. But, given what happened with Kylo by the end of TFA, there was no way for him to go back to being the mysterious, formidable masked warrior he was at the start of TFA. The illusion was gone. So, the best option for the following two films would’ve been to just ditch the mask and try to develop Kylo without it.

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Servii said:

A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.

I kind of hate that movies are judged based on how tight/holey their plots are.

Like I’m not about to argue that plot holes (and whatever you want to call your criticism of the space slug sequence) are secretly a good thing or even that they’re neutral, I don’t agree with the people who do actually say that. A haphazard plot can really take you out of a movie and can often demonstrate larger problems within a movie.

That said though, I feel like more and more in movie discourse people focus a lot on the tightness of the plot at the expense of, like, everything else. People judge movies like a high school teacher grades a paper, movies start at 100 points and then points get knocked off whenever there’s a ““problem””. And it’s just such a shallow way to look at movies.

Not necessarily accusing Servii of doing this, and this isn’t even just an anti-confrontational disclaimer or anything. Clearly this is not what they believe. But I kinda thought it was a good jumping off point.

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As I understand it, a movie not having ‘tight’ writing doesn’t mean it has plotholes per say, just that it isn’t as efficient with its scenes/dialogue/plot as another movie.

I don’t have an opinion on if ANH or ESB has tighter writing, since they are both incredibly efficient with the amount of character/plot progression per minute of screentime. Even ROTJ is fairly tight in terms of bringing the Luke/Vader relationship to a conclusion.

I think a good example of flabby writing would be Anakin/Padme in AOTC, where they have a half-dozen scenes which don’t move their characters forward at all in the eyes of the audience. Another is the Exegol plot from TROS, where our characters go to four or five locations just to find a mcGuffin while barely developing as characters at all. But again, the problem is a lack of character progression per scene, not necessarily how flabby/nonsensical the plot becomes. Tight writing, in this case, does not equal a tight plot. Fury Road has a simplistic, borderline stupid plot, but it packs so much character work into each scene that one would never call the writing flabby.

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Servii said:

There are a few things I can think of from the movie. I don’t want to come off like I’m bashing Empire. I love Empire. I just think Star Wars is marginally better in terms of writing.

When Han is planning to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba, everyone (including Han himself) acts like this has to be a permanent departure. When really, there’s no reason why, in the 3-year gap between movies, Han couldn’t have just stopped by to pay off his debt then come back to the Alliance. He really only needed to make a quick trip and come back, but everyone acts like he’s abandoning the cause forever.

The whole Mynock/Space Slug sequence felt a little unnecessary, since the heroes find themselves in the exact same situation of being chased by a Star Destroyer as they were before.

Han’s trick of camouflaging the Falcon on the back of a Star Destroyer probably shouldn’t have worked since there were so many other Destroyers nearby facing different directions, so one of them was bound to spot it.

It’s odd that Han or Leia never noticed Slave I flying behind them during their sublight journey to Bespin.

Luke was able to go straight to Bespin, despite having no way of knowing what planet he saw in his vision or where that planet was located.

I agree with most of this but I think the Space Slug sequence allows time for character development between Han and Leia.

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I kind of hate that movies are judged based on how tight/holey their plots are.
Like I’m not about to argue that plot holes (and whatever you want to call your criticism of the space slug sequence) are secretly a good thing or even that they’re neutral, I don’t agree with the people who do actually say that. A haphazard plot can really take you out of a movie and can often demonstrate larger problems within a movie.

That said though, I feel like more and more in movie discourse people focus a lot on the tightness of the plot at the expense of, like, everything else. People judge movies like a high school teacher grades a paper, movies start at 100 points and then points get knocked off whenever there’s a ““problem””. And it’s just such a shallow way to look at movies.

Not necessarily accusing Servii of doing this, and this isn’t even just an anti-confrontational disclaimer or anything. Clearly this is not what they believe. But I kinda thought it was a good jumping off point.

I agree. Logical consistency is important but cinema is a visual medium and should always be judged, more then anything else, for its ability to tell the story (or get the point across or whatever) artfully, using the language of film.

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Okay, I have a few more:

The ewoks are great.

Count Dooku should have been simply a renegade Jedi, not a Sith, and had the potential to be one of the most nuanced characters in the whole saga if he’d just been written slightly differently. Darth Maul also should not have been made a full Sith, and should have just remained a minor side antagonist who gets killed.

Despite seeming repetitive from an out-of-universe perspective, the construction of a second Death Star makes perfect sense in-universe.

Luke in TLJ and Luke in his most recent appearance both get the character wrong in different ways. The recent Luke is basically an immaculate, airbrushed depiction of how fans remember Luke from RotJ. He doesn’t seem like a real person anymore. TLJ tries to go in the opposite direction by taking Luke down a notch and humanizing him, but goes too far and turns him into a horrible person. Luke in RotJ was the perfect balance for his character. He acts stoic and composed toward his enemies, but is warm and relaxed with his friends. The claim that RotJ Luke was too monk-like and emotionally distant is incorrect.

Star Wars would be better off being laid to rest as a film/TV franchise. The original essence of the series has only gotten more and more diluted over time, and the continuous milking of the franchise for the foreseeable future is not cause for celebration to me.

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Servii said:

Count Dooku should have been simply a renegade Jedi, not a Sith, and had the potential to be one of the most nuanced characters in the whole saga if he’d just been written slightly differently.

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This.
Pair a character like this with the casting of Sir Christopher Lee and you have a perfect villain for the prequels.

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Luke was broken by Ben’s betrayal and he felt like he failed Ben, and he felt like he had betrayed the trust of Leia by how it all went down. Last Jedi perfectly portrayed that. Luke failing was absolutely right in this context for the sequel because it wasn’t about him or his story. It was about Rey and the living force as a whole. Luke got so caught up in his own story of being a legend he forget to have humility. He made Anakin Skywalker like mistakes. He almost doomed the galaxy until the force selected a new champion. I find it ironic the force chose not a Skywalker but a scion of the Palpatine bloodline instead. A Palpatine would restore balance and bring back the spark of the Jedi when a Palpatine destroyed them.

Luke wasted years selfishly until Yoda showed up and corrected him. But he finally did the right thing by saving the resistance. And learning to let go of his fear, his bitterness, and pass into the force.