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ThisIsCreation said:

The issues with dialogue from the prequels is evident in ROTJ. There are lines in ROTJ that sound like something from AOTC.

What lines are you thinking of, out of curiosity?

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jedi_bendu said:

Stardust1138 said:

I’ll add another unpopular opinion.

Despite how I feel about The Rise of Skywalker I think the more I come to the conclusion if Rey had stayed “Rey Random” then declared herself a Skywalker I might be a bit more forgiving and able to accept the film more.

Honestly, I’d prefer she accepted herself as “just Rey” - that’s powerful - although finding an ‘adoptive family’ of sorts after discovering that your biological parents abandoned you is a good message to send too.

Yes, exactly. That’s how I see it in it a way. I think I just needed to see her biological family to let go of her being a Skywalker/Solowalker as George intended. As once we saw the vision of her parents I was ready to accept and let go.

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The idea that Luke, Leia, Han, Lando and the Rebel Alliance generation achieved nothing because of the ST is ludicrous. They achieved nearly thirty years of peace and freedom. The First Order then only takes control of the galaxy for about a year before they and the Sith Eternal are defeated. For all of real human history there have been periods of war followed by periods of peace, ultimately followed by periods of war, and so on. Just because the OT generation don’t succeed in ending all war in the Star Wars universe for all time doesn’t mean what they did was pointless. TLJ is quite explicit in its theme of “we are what they grow beyond” - one generation can’t fix everything, but so long as each subsequent generation can learn from some of the mistakes of their ancestors and move forwards, we ultimately achieve progress. Just like real human civilisation.

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sade1212 said:

The idea that Luke, Leia, Han, Lando and the Rebel Alliance generation achieved nothing because of the ST is ludicrous. They achieved nearly thirty years of peace and freedom. The First Order then only takes control of the galaxy for about a year before they and the Sith Eternal are defeated. For all of real human history there have been periods of war followed by periods of peace, ultimately followed by periods of war, and so on. Just because the OT generation don’t succeed in ending all war in the Star Wars universe for all time doesn’t mean what they did was pointless. TLJ is quite explicit in its theme of “we are what they grow beyond” - one generation can’t fix everything, but so long as each subsequent generation can learn from some of the mistakes of their ancestors and move forwards, we ultimately achieve progress. Just like real human civilisation.

Well, more like ten years if you take into account that most of the First Order soldiers were kidnapped as children.

And according to the Mandalorian, those first five years still had the Empire in control in the outer rim with the New Republic struggling to keep control of just the core worlds.

So yeah, the Core worlds had it good and the rest of the galaxy did fine for about five years as well.

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jedi_bendu said:

ThisIsCreation said:

The issues with dialogue from the prequels is evident in ROTJ. There are lines in ROTJ that sound like something from AOTC.

What lines are you thinking of, out of curiosity?

Han’s line when he comes out of carbonite:

  • Luke? A Jedi? I’m out of it for a little while and everybody gets delusions of grandeur.

That sounds like dialogue straight out of the mouth of attack of the clones Obi-Wan. you can even hear it in obi-wans voices as you read it lol.


Leia’s delivery of this line:

  • No! Luke, run away, far away! If he can feel your presence, then leave this place!.

I love melodramatic star wars, and this line sounds like it comes out of the mouth of Padme. Leia normally spoke like an actual person, but this whole line & the way she says it feels so out of character.

Once Leia’s hair is let down on Endor, Carrie’s performance is so weird in hindsight.

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ThisIsCreation said:

jedi_bendu said:

ThisIsCreation said:

The issues with dialogue from the prequels is evident in ROTJ. There are lines in ROTJ that sound like something from AOTC.

What lines are you thinking of, out of curiosity?

Han’s line when he comes out of carbonite:

  • Luke? A Jedi? I’m out of it for a little while and everybody gets delusions of grandeur.

That sounds like dialogue straight out of the mouth of attack of the clones Obi-Wan. you can even hear it in obi-wans voices as you read it lol.


Leia’s delivery of this line:

  • No! Luke, run away, far away! If he can feel your presence, then leave this place!.

I love melodramatic star wars, and this line sounds like it comes out of the mouth of Padme. Leia normally spoke like an actual person, but this whole line & the way she says it feels so out of character.

Once Leia’s hair is let down on Endor, Carrie’s performance is so weird in hindsight.

I agree. I think the reason these lines pass (while the PT lines get memed) is that the acting for both these scenes is so emotionally driven it overrides any of the ridiculous writing (granted they’re still weird lines, but they’re not funny in the way the Prequels are). For Han, as a sarcastic character it fits his personality. For Leia, you can tell she’s emotionally distraught by Luke’s words and is doing everything she can to convince him to say.

If you placed these lines into the context of the PT, however, with Obi-Wan muttering “delusions of grandeur” to Anakin without context and Padme saying “run away” to Anakin in some melodramatic way, they’d almost certainly be made fun of. Lucas just isn’t an actor’s director.

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Rogue One isn’t good. The characters aren’t good, the Vader scene was stupid and making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful. Awful movie.

After the OT, The Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie.

I like the Ewoks in RotJ. I also dislike Han Solo in RotJ, he’s suddenly goofy and a little dumb (in my headcanon he got some brain damage caused by the carbonite lol).

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Quattro Bajeena said:

making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful.

Out of interest… how?

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Quattro Bajeena said:

Rogue One isn’t good. The characters aren’t good, the Vader scene was stupid and making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful. Awful movie.

After the OT, The Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie.

I like the Ewoks in RotJ. I also dislike Han Solo in RotJ, he’s suddenly goofy and a little dumb (in my headcanon he got some brain damage caused by the carbonite lol).

I strongly disagree with your view on Rogue One.

I think TPM is underrated and i enjoy that it’s vastly different than what we’re used to.

I hated the Ewoks, but revisiting Yoda’s message in ESB made me change my mind, it’s not about the size of the character but the power within.

I agree with your view on Han, he seems to exist in scenes, and outside of one or two scenes he is like a whole other character. I think he should have sacrificed himself to save the Rebels in the movie, i love his portrayal in TFA & how his death came about.

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jedi_bendu said:

Quattro Bajeena said:

making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful.

Out of interest… how?

Luke using the force to hit an almost impossible target means that the force is indeed more powerful than the “technological terror” of the Death Star. It’s the final word on the “materialism vs the force” discussion the movie presents to the viewer in multiple scenes (Obi Wan and Solo inside the Falcon, Vader and the imperial, Obi Wan becoming more powerful after dying).

Of course, Rogue One doesn’t ruin all that, but it does make it less meaningful and bothers me a lot.

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I agree with your view on Han, he seems to exist in scenes, and outside of one or two scenes he is like a whole other character. I think he should have sacrificed himself to save the Rebels in the movie, i love his portrayal in TFA & how his death came about.

Yes, that would’ve been better.

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Interesting. I didn’t originally have a preference one way or another for this aspect of Rogue One, but put in this light I can see the issue.

I agree that the Death Star having an intentionally designed weakness does imply that without that weakness the Death Star would be impervious, and this does weaken the message of Star Wars a bit. I think the intent of the Rebels finding a weakness in the Death Star is to show that no matter how impressive a Technological Terror may be, it will always have unforeseen weaknesses.

It feels a bit like the rules of argumentation - you always want to address your opponent’s argument in its strongest form. If the argument has been intentionally undermined, say, by someone on your team giving the opponent faulty data which you can then call out - then it doesn’t feel like winning the argument on its own merits.

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The plot of Rogue One should have been that Galen Erso secretly recorded every detail about the station just in case someone could analyse it later, not that it had a built in flaw that anyone loyal to the project would report intermediately. Especially when the flaw itself is just the reactor. I’m pretty sure any machine using a volatile energy source in SW has that flaw.

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Quattro Bajeena said:

Rogue One isn’t good. The characters aren’t good, the Vader scene was stupid and making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful. Awful movie.

Hell yeah

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jedi_bendu said:

Stardust1138 said:

I’ll add another unpopular opinion.

Despite how I feel about The Rise of Skywalker I think the more I come to the conclusion if Rey had stayed “Rey Random” then declared herself a Skywalker I might be a bit more forgiving and able to accept the film more.

Honestly, I’d prefer she accepted herself as “just Rey” - that’s powerful - although finding an ‘adoptive family’ of sorts after discovering that your biological parents abandoned you is a good message to send too.

I’m not opposed to Rey becoming a Skywalker (if it was better executed), but Rey starting her own legacy would be a much better ending to the trilogy than joining someone else’s legacy.

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Rey accepting herself for who she is instead of just pretending to be Luke’s long lost daughter would be a logical end to the character arc instead of just nonsense.

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Mocata said:

Rey accepting herself for who she is instead of just pretending to be Luke’s long lost daughter would be a logical end to the character arc instead of just nonsense.

I think you’re misinterpreting it. Rey’s connection to the Skywalkers comes from Leia, listen to what Luke says when he gives her Leia’s saber. It isn’t that she looks at them as her direct relation, it’s about carrying on what they started.
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Yeah but that comes out of nowhere and isn’t a fitting conclusion to what began in The Force Awakens. She needed to grow past the shallow need to fit in and have a father figure, and become a whole person. Instead it’s just regression.

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Mocata said:

Yeah but that comes out of nowhere and isn’t a fitting conclusion to what began in The Force Awakens. She needed to grow past the shallow need to fit in and have a father figure, and become a whole person. Instead it’s just regression.

The name Skywalker is a legend by the time we get to TFA, and by the end of TROS it makes me feel like anyone can be a ‘skywalker’. She carries on the legend at the end of TROS, she is the ‘Skywalker’ that rose up to destroy the Emperor. It’s a story that will be told by others, just like we see at the end of TLJ when the kids talk about luke like a mystical creature.

I can completely understand your standpoint on this, and i know her carrying the name is a very divisive thing.

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Mocata said:

Yeah but that comes out of nowhere and isn’t a fitting conclusion to what began in The Force Awakens. She needed to grow past the shallow need to fit in and have a father figure, and become a whole person. Instead it’s just regression.

Yeah, it might have made more sense to me if instead of having the scene with the old lady at the end, they just prominently listed her as “Rey Skywalker” in the credits.

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Oh I totally get what they were going for in the movie, but they should have just named a Jedi Academy after him something. Instead of a random old lady in the middle of nowhere (on foot!) it should be an eager new recruit checking out a newly opened temple. Then again I would have had Kylo not die and then he’d be the one wandering into the desert to search for his own true self. Y’know like in a good script.

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Unpopular opinion:

The Prequel Trilogy should have had a different Star wars (Main) theme during the opening crawl and the end credits.

Still to this day, everytime i hear the ‘OT’ Star Wars theme in one of the prequel movies, i’m thinking: since these movies deal with a different era and it’s visual aesthetics differ so much from the OT visuals, the main musical themes should also be different.

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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