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Cinefy said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I see no reason to add a hand. lol

And I hate to be a wet blanket, but Rey using lightning on Finn doesn’t strike me as feeling right for that moment. It could’ve been scripted that way, but with what we have to work with Finn still flies backward and Rey doesn’t blink about any of it.

Yeah I’m not a big fan of Rey using force lighting on Finn, feel like it would probably look weird especially since ILM force lighting is hard to replicate unless you do it in Nuke

At this point we aren’t talking about her electrocuting him, but rather her fingers would crackle with lightning. It would give the impression that she is using the dark side to push him back.

And yeah, I don’t see why people are degrading this idea so much. In the original film, there is literally NO purpose to Finn going after her. At least this way it would let the audience know that she’s losing it.

And as for her reaction to what she does, she’s taking out her regrets and frustrations by swinging her lightsaber on Kylo. At least that’s what the original novelization said.

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sherlockpotter said:

Truthfully, I think the lightning shot would work in part because Rey doesn’t react to it. My feelings in suggesting the extra lightning are that she’s completely losing herself during that scene. As it is, she doesn’t notice or care that she tosses Finn about like a rag doll, potentially hurting him. She never reacts to him again, never goes to check on him, or to express remorse. She’s super angry that Kylo smashes the McGuffin, and then she just goes to town on him. Swinging wildly, screaming…Finn tries to pull her back from the brink and she’s all like, “Nah-uh, buster! *ker-POW!*” She basically pushes back Finn reflexively, not even “seeing” him. And she keeps going after Kylo blindly. Leia reaches out to her son, and Ben clearly feels her presence, but Rey is too self-consumed to notice anything else. She flat-out *impales* him, and then…she feels Leia finally. And she snaps out of it. She looks around, seeing what she’s done seemingly for the first time. And then she cries, seeing what she’s become - seeing how low she’s fallen. Which is why she decides to heal Ben - to atone.

So that’s my read on the scene, and I’ll defend the lightning idea as a legitimate storytelling beat, feeding into that blinding, consuming darkness that Rey is (or should be) feeling right about now.

That was how i interpreted the scene from the beginning.

I support the idea.

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NeverarGreat said:

Finally, it is absolutely a storytelling beat to tie her abilities visually to Palpatine’s abilities as they have been seen so far in the film.

The only thing is, Ascendant removed Palpy’s hands flickering when he raises the fleet. So it would be less a direct reference to Palps, and more a generic allusion to the Dark Side.

Huh. Was the reasoning to lessen the implication that Palps was raising an entire fleet through Force magic?

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I see, and lightning cracklin betwixt her fingers could be effective. I have had to sweep through a few pages of this thread and read it as using a lightning bolt to blast Finn backward.

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Just thinking about the VFX here, if it’s possible/wanted to go with more of a blast, something more like Snoke’s quick little floor zap that he uses on Kylo might be better or more appropriate than a traditional channel of lightning.

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EddieDean said:

Just thinking about the VFX here, if it’s possible/wanted to go with more of a blast, something more like Snoke’s quick little floor zap that he uses on Kylo might be better or more appropriate than a traditional channel of lightning.

This.

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EddieDean said:

Just thinking about the VFX here, if it’s possible/wanted to go with more of a blast, something more like Snoke’s quick little floor zap that he uses on Kylo might be better or more appropriate than a traditional channel of lightning.

That was actually the original idea as well. It wouldn’t hurt to rip the original sound effects from TLJ imo, but Sherlock didn’t like that for some reason. Either that or just do the hand crackle.

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Cinefy said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I see no reason to add a hand. lol

And I hate to be a wet blanket, but Rey using lightning on Finn doesn’t strike me as feeling right for that moment. It could’ve been scripted that way, but with what we have to work with Finn still flies backward and Rey doesn’t blink about any of it.

Yeah I’m not a big fan of Rey using force lighting on Finn, feel like it would probably look weird especially since ILM force lighting is hard to replicate unless you do it in Nuke

There’s also already enough set-up for her giving into the dark side and stabbing Kylo Ren anyways.

@Jar Jar Bricks About the Palpatine line change, it was just an idea I felt like throwing around and felt like the First Order themselves could be their own thing, probably makes Palps’ plans a bit less… muddy.

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(Video in question does have some invalid arguments like Palps’ return ruining Anakin’s sacrifice)

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I don’t “dislike” the Snoke sound effect per se, Jar Jar; I just preferred the one used for Rey’s lightning. It sounds more impressive to me - more powerful, almost crunchy; and also the slight break between the initial zap and the ship exploding lines up perfectly with the cut between shots, and then Finn crashing through the wave. That, and I like the idea of “Rey’s lightning” sounding different than “Snoke’s lightning,” but that’s just a minor quirk.

Truthfully, in my head I was picturing kind of a quick stream of lightning? The stream hits Finn and tosses him back. I could also see a quick burst working like Eddie said. I’m not so certain about lightning crackling around her hand when she pushes him back - either that would look really foreboding, or it would look kind of like, “Whee! Magic sparkle fingers!”

@Nev, I think the reasoning for removing lightning from his hands was because lightning doesn’t really do anything when he’s lifting some star destroyers off the ground. But that decision was made before I joined the project, so I can’t be sure.

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Cinefy said:

Ed Slushie said:

Here’s an idea for an edit to the Battle of Exegol that uses some Vehicle Flythroughs footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB4hSGtdD8o

That’s an interesting concept, It’s a shame how short the Exegol sequence is given it was the final installment, it falls really short when you compare it to Rogue One which is almost what you’d think a small spin-off amongst a massive franchise, Scarif some how got a well paced 45 minute final sequnce vs the franchise conclusion feeling rushed and only getting 20, any small extensions to Exegol by my opinion would really improve things.

I wish I could re-post a million times. Definitely not enough attention is given to the battle sequences of Exegol. That’s been my obsession, any piece of footage that could extend/enhance the final battle. I feel like alot of the fan editing attention has been on the minutia of the most minut of details (i dont mean this in a condescending or sarcastic way) and the debating of the merits of each minut detail. But what can i say, it is a FAN edit and the edits are for fans that pay attention to these details. And i havent the slightest clue on VFX editing (and im too dumb to be taught) so… Anyhow, any slight addition, modification that involves more ships, battles etc. I’m the first one to bark with excitement

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Hal 9000 said:

I see, and lightning cracklin betwixt her fingers could be effective. I have had to sweep through a few pages of this thread and read it as using a lightning bolt to blast Finn backward.

It’s a bit of a back and forth about how to implement or whatever. (How much lighting, the style, etc. etc.)

Personally the biggest hurtle is just how “realistic” a VFX editor can have the lighting look right. There is impressive work being done, I ain’t trying to put any damper on it. It just has to look like it is coming from the studios … and it can be easy to visually spot things as not being quite right.

So my vote, if this is to be implemented, is something that is either quick or is easy to “hide the imperfections.” I almost view this as Rey mainly doing a force push but because of her anger she’s having some lighting “bleed in” it. I dunno if that makes any sense or what this all means. Lol.

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Yes please, if the lava streaks can be put in, even if it’s just a few streaks would really help blend things.

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DominicCobb said:
It’s not at all about adding a “cool trailer moment” or whatever the hell. Come on we don’t need to degrade legitimate ideas with snark like that.

Nothing about that comment is degrading or snarky. It’s just plain old criticism.

I certainly don’t think people disagreeing (or ignoring) my criticism is an act of degradation, either, FWIW.

Oh yeah, no, I totally get where you guys are coming from; I’m just trying to justify adding the lightning in my own edit, you know? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

If its your own edit you don’t have to justify it to anyone but yourself, nor do you need external justification for it!

But if the idea’s getting put out there in the open, criticism is probably going to come back! And the reason I disagree with your interpretation is because it really only works in the context of that scene alone. Taking the rest of the movie (and the prior movies) into account, it doesn’t really work. Which is why I said it’s more like a trailer beat than it is a storytelling one, because as a trailer shot, it does what it needs to - it’s very “cool” in an explicit way. But I don’t think it fits all that well there, not for what she’s done in the film up to that point, and not for what happens afterwards, either. It’s lily-gilding, I think.

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Cinefy said:

Version 3 of Jon’s force ghost edit is great, I think It’ll please a lot of people who wanted some of those other characters included for their personnel edits etc. I do think the V2 force Ghost sequence that we already have with Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda and Luke should remain the same prefer the simplicity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT0HAvqB-EA

Stick with the v2, as Ahsoka’s death seems like the kind of thing that isn’t likely to be confirmed for awhile and you don’t want to accidentally make the edit invalid too easily, and the concept of which Jedi can and cannot physically manifest themselves is a tricky and debatable thing. Qui-Gon showing up visually makes some sense. Mace is a cool cameo, but much more questionable.

Frankly, the previous ghost scene was perfect and plays very well with the friends I’ve shown it too. It’s honestly one of the main selling points of the cut as it is.

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Broom Kid, no worries, I wasn’t offended by your comment. I do disagree with it though (respectfully, I hope!).

Not only would I freaking mutiny if I saw Rey using lightning spoiled in a trailer, but I also think it represents more than just a flashy visual. Like I explained, I believe that Rey is losing control in that moment and tapping into the Dark Side. Lightning seems (to me) to be a perfect way of visually representing that. And it will work especially well in the larger film as a whole, connecting back to her first moment of using the Dark Side. Plus, one of the things we’re trying to do in V2, with the new dagger stuff and the eventual Rey Nobody version, is to add a throughline of Rey tapping into the Dark Side, rather than spending the whole movie repulsed by it. (That way the finale actually has some stakes.) The Death Star Duel is the end of Act II - structurally, the moment in a film where our hero should be at her lowest.

Since the idea has some support behind it, I think, at this point, it will depend on the quality of whatever visual effects can be produced for the shot. So I guess we’ll have to see what happens!

EDIT: And Cinefy, I love the look of the lava cracks. If it can be tracked in and animated convincingly, I’d love to see it included.

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Sherlock, just so you know, I liked the idea so much myself that I actually slid it into my novelization. I feel like there needs to be a little bit more there than Rey fatally wounding Kylo for her to consider abandoning everything and going to Exegol. If she does the same thing that she does with Chewie except with Finn, it would be a really convincing reason for her to believe that she thinks she needs to abandon the fight before she completely loses control of herself.

Also, and I mentioned this before, but it gives Finn’s presence a purpose there. Before, he’s just there to scream “Rey!” If this were implemented, he would be the catalyst that causes her outburst.

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Removing the echoey screams of Rey and her mother as Rey picks up the dagger in Kylo’s chambers is tricker than you might think, but I got it.
I had to lift the rear channels from when she first picks it up underground (same musical sting) and apply them to the rear and front channels and milk about a second’s worth of clean audio from earlier in the scene of the empty ambience of Kylo’s chamber. I moved the Sith whisper to cover the gap and added a fainter one when she first handles the blade.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

If she does the same thing that she does with Chewie except with Finn, it would be a really convincing reason for her to believe that she thinks she needs to abandon the fight before she completely loses control of herself.

That’s a beautifully succinct way of putting it, Jar Jar. Thank you, I’m glad you like the idea so much!

Well done with the audio, Hal; that sounds like a super tricky edit. Has anyone made any progress with a potential Endor vision when she picks up the Dagger? I think that (and the actual 3PO translation) are the only elements that would still need completing for RogueLeader’s plan, correct?

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Regarding an earlier idea I had about re-dubbing the Knights of Ren introduction, I now have an alternative version thanks to axlanian’s incredible work. Both of us recorded a line each, and then he handled all of the audio effects and filters for me. I’m definitely going to use this in my own edit, but I also wanted to share it here in case Hal or anyone wants to use it too.

Thank you so much, axlanian; it sounds fantastic! I tried to match the volume levels of the original dialogue, but if anyone has any concerns about the audio mix or export settings, just let me know! You do lose some of the marching sound effects in the center channel, but I think it still sounds fine.

Full scene, 5.1: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ve0TXHoJNjJ4wANDyRep4O-uocxx9p_s/view?usp=sharing

Single channel wav: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1unPWfriwa63LalY7IV2V_NsdwXetxg8y/view?usp=sharing

(If you use the wav, just be aware that the original mix has the dialogue in both the center and right channels.)

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I like the delivery on “Here?!” It sounds fearful, like their infamous reputation precedes them. Sort of maintains the purpose of the original line calling them ghouls, but now it is more subtextual, and clearer to understand what’s actually being said.

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RogueLeader said:

I like the delivery on “Here?!” It sounds fearful, like their infamous reputation precedes them. Sort of maintains the purpose of the original line calling them ghouls, but now it is more subtextual, and clearer to understand what’s actually being said.

I completely agree. Fantastic line read.

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