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Could you potentially crop that shot where Poe is lowering his blaster?

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I’m not sure without messing around with the resolution/proportions of the original shot since I am using Hal’s 1080 source. It would be nice to not have to cut off too much time to allow a little extra breathing room as the shot zooms in on her.

(Plus I am using iMovie, not sure how many good tools I have! Haha!)

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Glancing at the scene. Yeah, that will probably work fine. Let’s keep the 3PO dub angle going, and implement it best we can, and THEN take a hard nosed look and see if it feels seamless and theatrical.

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Since I don’t have a way to separate channels (and other techy things) I did some quick clips to start the ball rolling. Again, it is VERY rough and I am limited on what I can do, it is more of a visual check on it.

Rough Idea 1

https://vimeo.com/533712755
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Pretty much per Rogue’s suggestion. Again, it doesn’t have any sound adjustments and I just took out the sound on certain segments when someone was talking.

Rough Idea 2

https://vimeo.com/533713963
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This has a little change. One aspect per Rogue’s idea was there to be a pause and no one is speaking after Poe says “it depends.” It is probably just me, but because of the camera movement, it didn’t feel right to have a pause and the camera is zooming in during the quiet. That may be fine when the music/ambient sounds are playing. However, we go to zooming onto Poe and Rey and then get a shot change to Rey up close. So it kinda felt off to me, visually.

So this idea instead jumps to C-3p0 who “breaks the ice” which seems precisely what he does. We can re-dub him introducing himself. We cut to the one guy who kinda looks at the crew and then Jannah. Then we go to Rey. It seems more natural in a filming sort of way since the first example zooms in on Poe/Rey and then cuts to her. It felt like it needs something to break it up slightly.

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Nice. Any good 3PO snippets? Chase?

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Adding a 3PO line could work, but it would have to be done carefully. I feel like anything he says wouldn’t just break the ice, it would break the tension. It’ll probably be very subjective when we want them to end the actual standoff.

Also, could we maybe put that wide/crane shot in before anyone starts talking? It feels like a good establishing shot, and a good way for the audience to hold their breath while we’re trying to figure out what exactly will happen with this new faction. Plus, the heroes look very small in the frame, so it would be a great way to establish a more worried tone for the rest of the conversation.

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I think Poe’s mouth moves on his “It depends” line, but maybe that can be altered.

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I mean, there is a reason behind the idea, but I get what you mean. Opinions regarding this idea seem to be split, regarding its implementation.

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I just feel like some of these new ideas stretch into the realm of being easily noticable. In the past, and for V1, the desire to make all edits as clean as possible was abundant, but now some of the changes appear to be more… “fan-editty”

TPM ROTJ ESB TFA TLJ TROS ROTS ANH SOLO RO ATOC
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TROS:A https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Rise-of-Skywalker-Ascendant-WIP/id/71835/page/1

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As Hal said, if it ends up feeling noticeable, then it’s better not to implement it, but it’s still worth putting something together to see. If it works seamlessly, then it would be a good addition, and I think that’s possible.

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We’re trying to remove the dumb concept that the sith artifact with ancient runes was actually just made sometime after RotJ, explain the added whispers further and explicitly tie them to Rey’s arc while we’re at it. I agree that overdubbing 3PO will probably be really hard to pull off convincingly, but I think it’s worth giving it a shot and see if it can work.

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If I get time tonight, I’ll record the new 3PO lines (though anyone else who wants to have a go as well, feel free!). Then we can see if it fits together even in a preliminary edit.

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The saving grace regarding reddubing C3P0’s lines is his voice is completely different than his usual voice … that makes it very possible.

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Re: re-dubbing 3-P0

Could we put in the deleted “is everyday like this for you people” line in there? Would it make any sort of sense?

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dgraham414 said:

I feel like we’ve gotten to the point where we’re just changing things for the sake of changing things…

It’s not the most important change to agonize over, true; but I do think it might be worth considering, since we’re already recutting that scene anyway. After all, small changes like that can have a surprisingly large, subconscious effect on the viewer. Besides, you’d typically want your establishing shots near the beginning of a scene, rather than in the middle of them.

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Hate to be the sour puss once again, but as much as I like this idea on paper, I don’t think what we have works. Jannah still offers to help them get to the wreck right away, only this time there’s no explanation, they just go right from guns drawn to chummy chummy. I don’t think the intended effect comes across.

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If it is possible, that’s where I am thinking using the clip of 3PO that could deliver a line to ease Jannah and crew, so when Rey reveals why they need to go to the DSII.

If there was NO follow up with Jannah and crew and their motivation, then yes, it may seem strange they would help them. But later, we have the Jannah and Finn scene that they were storm troopers who left. So that in itself gives us a bit of explanation why they did not gun them down or anything, but decided to help. Even if this new portrayal of them are not actively helping the “good guys” (No more of the “We got a transmission from some random guy that you are the last hope, we wanna help!”) and they are kinda portrayed as like Finn’s moment on TFA (Finn was willing to help a bit in TFA, but not enough to go up against the FO at Maz’ Castle) … However, they wouldn’t act against anyone who is NOT on the FO side and especially those who are working against them. Why would they help the FO and gun such ones down? Wouldn’t make sense.

That is why fortunately, we have that scene between Finn and Jannah. That gives us some rational reasoning.

So maybe, it makes me think even if it “breaks the tension/shortens it” it would be good if C3PO, who has no problem blurting stuff out (even reprogrammed) something like “We are on a mission to save the galaxy” or something on those lines. Doesn’t have to be specific, but maybe something that he reveals they are the “good guys” and that prompts Rey to explain what they are doing. That’s the gamble now, double down on what side they are when Poe was not ready to reveal it.

EDIT: Is there less tension? Sure. But does it give us a more “at the moment” rationale why Jannah is willing to help? Yes. Even if it seems strange she would outright help them, does the movie later give us more explanation on Jannah and the crew, on why they would possibly have helped them then and later? Yes.

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If Chase can dub a new line, we could have 3PO say something oblivious but accidentally helpful. We have this interaction:

Jannah: Are you Resistance?
Poe: That depends.

And then in a terse moment 3PO blurts out something that confirms they’re Resistance, not realising that it could be dangerous.

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Yeah, some line breaking it up in between would make it work. As is, it’s a little too sudden for Jannah to say they’ll help them, even with the later context of her being an ex-Stormtrooper. Her being so helpful immediately feels unnatural.

Edit: It feels too sudden dialogue wise. Cutting to silent reaction shots still doesn’t work for me either.

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Jannah: Are you Resistance?
Poe: That depends.
C-3PO: (reassuringly) Oh, but you are Resistance! Your mission will destroy the whole First Order!

I don’t know how long the shot of C-3PO is, but I suspect that might be too long, but something along those lines.

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Asides from using the C3po shot, there is that shot where the one guy that kind of stares at the crew/Jannah. That also can buy time if needed.

I was browsing on YouTube to get some ideas maybe from Clone Wars if anything can be salvaged from that if needed.

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He’s just had his mind wiped and may be totally ignorant of the state of galactic politics.

He could say something like, “Who’s resisting?” or something like that.

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He’s just had his mind wiped and may be totally ignorant of the state of galactic politics.

He could say something like, “Who’s resisting?” or something like that.

“Resistance, that’s right! What are we resisting?”

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I feel like if the lines are timed a little differently, we won’t even need an ice-breaker. I may try to play around with it tonight. (My hard drive just had to be reformatted, and I lost all of my previous projects (yay); but now I should be back in the game!) I guess it depends on Jannah’s reactions during the scene. If she has a slight smile, or a half-laugh to herself, then I think we need an ice-breaker; if she remains kind of tense and aloof throughout the confrontation, it would be better without.

If we do want a 3PO line, I say keep it simple. Everyone’s eying each other suspiciously, and then 3PO just chimes in with “Hello! I am C-3PO - Human/cyborg relations!” [Awkward pause]

EDIT: Playing off of Hal’s idea, it would work if it played out like:

Jannah: Are you Resistance?
POE: That depends.
C-3PO: What resistance?

I’m just not sure…do we have 3PO audio to support that? Like jarbear said, I think we can get away with recording a new translation, because his voice is supposed to sound different during that part anyway. I’d be worried about recording new lines in his normal voice though.