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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 362

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sade1212 said:

You reckon JJ and Chris Terrio ever really hashed out a clear idea in their minds of what the plan was? I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the clarity was just lost in editing, but maybe the whole thing is a casualty of the rushed production.

I don’t think J.J. and Chris had any idea what they were doing, even when writing the script. They didn’t make Rey a Palpatine until after shooting began, and then they hinged the entire climax on that. Kylo says that he never wanted to kill Rey, after he tries to run her over with his ship. They spend the first half of the movie trying to find the Wayfinder, only to immediately destroy it and render all of that setup pointless. (They could have just stolen the Wayfinder from Kylo’s ship after Rey cut it down on Pasaana.) Palpatine wants Rey killed, then needs her alive at the end. And those are just the most basic story beats. The writing falls apart at the slightest scrutiny.

But this is supposed to be a discussion thread, not a TROS-hate thread. Sorry, all. I’ll shut up now.

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Getting away from the overarching storylines discussion, here are my edits for the color corrected Medal Insert shot. If someone wants to take them and enhance them further (such as by adding in a rain effect), of if they have other suggestions for them, that would be amazing.

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Has Hal already said he is using one of those improved shots? Because I like them a lot. Specifically v2 and v3.

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Nice! I’ll nab it and add it to my timeline

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sherlockpotter said:

Getting away from the overarching storylines discussion, here are my edits for the color corrected Medal Insert shot. If someone wants to take them and enhance them further (such as by adding in a rain effect), of if they have other suggestions for them, that would be amazing.

The one thing that sticks out to me is the lack of grain/noise in the added bloom. I think that would really help blend it with the footage.

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Ah, yeah, I see what you mean. Good call on the grain - I’ll see if I can figure out how to do that.

Any opinions on which version is best? Or should it be shifted over any more?

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Burbin said:

The one thing that sticks out to me is the lack of grain/noise in the added bloom. I think that would really help blend it with the footage.

There’s also lots of colour banding going on within it as well.

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I think that would fit in great if the audio can be smoothed out, I like how mysterious it is considering we don’t know about the body transfer thing yet (I think)

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I think it would be weird for him to speak so frankly with his military guy about this kind of thing. And as you said, it’s pretty rough.

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How many times do I have to say this? It’s clear in the actual film Palpatine changes his mind and turns back to Rey because Kylo Ren redeemed himself. His plan was to possess Kylo Ren, that is until he redeemed himself.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

How many times do I have to say this? It’s clear in the actual film Palpatine changes his mind and turns back to Rey because Kylo Ren redeemed himself. His plan was to possess Kylo Ren, that is until he redeemed himself.

Chill out, man. I honestly don’t get why you’ve been so defensive about this in this thread and lashing out against people.

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Chase, I compared the output to my DaVinci Resolve setup, and it seems like the color banding only gets really bad in the final render:

In editor: https://i.imgur.com/EhBFm9P.png
Render: https://i.imgur.com/4xIMw0w.png

I’m assuming it has to do with my export settings. I selected MP4, H.264, 1080p, Automatic “Best” quality, Encoding Profile: Auto, Data Levels: Full. Any idea what else I should be looking for to avoid the banding problem?

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sherlockpotter said:

Getting away from the overarching storylines discussion, here are my edits for the color corrected Medal Insert shot. If someone wants to take them and enhance them further (such as by adding in a rain effect), of if they have other suggestions for them, that would be amazing.

I’ve added some film grain that seems to match the quality of the other footage (but let me know if I should tweak it). Thanks to Burbin for the suggestion - I think it definitely helps to tie everything together! And as a bonus, the color banding doesn’t seem as bad anymore! There’s still a little bit of weird brightness to the right of Leia’s right hand, but that seems to be in the original footage too.

I’ve also gone and made it slightly more blue.

Unless there are any other suggestions, here’s V4, both in context of the scene to make sure it all matches, and as an isolated clip to make inserting it as simple as possible for Hal.

Scene: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zuDJLLg96FG7RyU7b56Fe0OVT6GLdqkf/view?usp=sharing
Clip: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DzaKiOT4X4DKFrPOTqiZpysUfoUDTsT7/view?usp=sharing

You may have to download the video to see the full quality. This is a screenshot of how it should look:

V3: https://i.imgur.com/4xIMw0w.png
V4: https://i.imgur.com/DynQOUH.png

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TestingOutTheTest said:

How many times do I have to say this? It’s clear in the actual film Palpatine changes his mind and turns back to Rey because Kylo Ren redeemed himself. His plan was to possess Kylo Ren, that is until he redeemed himself.

To be clear, I’m fairly certain this is the approach Hal is going with. So no need to clarify this again.

EDIT: We are doing a slight deviation from this, though. In this edit, Palpatine always wanted Rey dead until Ben redeems himself. So he never “turns back” to Rey, he only realizes she can serve his purposes now.

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I am clearly doing this wrong. I downloaded it, and zipped it, but I couldn’t find the actually movie. 😦 I swear I’m normally really good at this technology stuff!

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

There would never have been a battle since Rey is the one that showed them how to reach Exegol.

That would have left the Final Order fleet free reign to fully deploy and spread out across the galaxy destroying countless worlds and then holding a proverbial blaster to the head of the galaxy.

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Tobar said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

There would never have been a battle since Rey is the one that showed them how to reach Exegol.

That would have left the Final Order fleet free reign to fully deploy and spread out across the galaxy destroying countless worlds and then holding a proverbial blaster to the head of the galaxy.

Thank you! I knew there was something they had written in there in order to prevent this plot hole. I just haven’t seen the entire movie in a while so this never occurred to me.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

How many times do I have to say this? It’s clear in the actual film Palpatine changes his mind and turns back to Rey because Kylo Ren redeemed himself. His plan was to possess Kylo Ren, that is until he redeemed himself.

Chill out, man. I honestly don’t get why you’ve been so defensive about this in this thread and lashing out against people.

I’m not lashing out, I’m just correcting them. Sorry if I come across as that way.

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Tobar said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

There would never have been a battle since Rey is the one that showed them how to reach Exegol.

That would have left the Final Order fleet free reign to fully deploy and spread out across the galaxy destroying countless worlds and then holding a proverbial blaster to the head of the galaxy.

True, but in some ways that wasn’t needed since D0 was from Exegol and could in theory direct them. Not saying one way or the other, but in some ways, the plotting of the course seems a bit unnecessary where you see Rey making tight maneuvers plotting the course but we see some HUGE ships appearing later with Lando … heck, even the Star Destroyers would need to get out …

Anyway, to say it simply … the movie already gives us an “out” of not needing Rey’s “plot the course” when we have DO, who’s from Exegol, could give them direction … let alone the idea that a bunch of other ships, from big to small, wouldn’t have been able to do, or are too big, to do the maneuvers that were shown.

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Alright Hal, I don’t know if you’re cooking up the changes we discussed yesterday but I decided I might as well share what I was talking about here. This is the Palpatine/Rey interaction without “for my grandchild to come home” and “I never wanted you dead”. Obviously the audio could use a little bit of work but I think the conversation still makes a lot of sense:

https://youtu.be/AbxI8xMA2O0

“Long have I waited… Empress Palpatine… you will take the throne.”

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I haven’t sat down with it yet but I like that. Might even be good to reverse “Empress Palpatine” and “you will take the throne.”

Might be able to mess with it today or tomorrow. We’ll have to see.

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That sounds like a good idea as well. I personally don’t feel I have the capability to actualize that line swap, though (mostly due to my crappy editing software). But if you think that you could do it I believe that would be an improvement of what I sent.

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Alternatively, we could have Palpatine’s first line be “Empress Palpatine”, Rey turns around, and then he could go on by saying “long have I waited… you will take the throne.”

Still like your idea the most, though. Mostly because the above ordering still insinuates he has been waiting a long time specifically for her, while yours doesn’t as much.

Yours is: "Long have I waited… you will take the throne, Empress Palpatine.” Much more natural and fits the narrative better.

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Hal 9000 said:

I haven’t sat down with it yet but I like that. Might even be good to reverse “Empress Palpatine” and “you will take the throne.”

Might be able to mess with it today or tomorrow. We’ll have to see.

That can work to help push away the idea he was waiting a long time for her specifically to be the empress … when he changed his mind about it 5 minutes ago. lol.

Long have I waited … You will take the throne … Empress Palpatine.

The emphasis is not him waiting for a long time for her to take the throne, it fits more of him waiting a long time for someone to take the throne.

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