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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 3

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yic17 said:

So I guess there are two ways to go about it, remove kiss to get a natural flow or add some breathing room, pauses on some frames so the death doesn’t feel like it came out of nowhere. It will be best if there’s already extended version of this scene on Blu-ray extras.

Right, I’d prefer the natural death and no kiss at all.

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I made a simple mashup of the Imperial March and the Emperor’s theme for something I’m playing with for TLJ. I don’t know if it’s what you’re looking for Hal, but figured I’d post it!

https://vimeo.com/382080137
PW: fanedit

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Not exactly; I think ideally it would be the recognizable Imperial March we get, underplayed and soft, with enough of the Emperor’s theme to notice and raise an eyebrow about.

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I know one thing I’m going to be doing is playing around to see what scene transitions can seamlessly be extended by reversed footage or whatnot.

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Hal 9000 said:

I can’t remember, was that sound consistent whenever one of their bonds would start?

Even if not, that’s not a bad idea for that ending scene if nothing else.

At least in TLJ the effect is pretty consistent between each moment. The only real differences scene-to-scene are how long the effect lasts for, how loud it is, and how quickly the outside noise surrounding Rey and Kylo pre-connection gets “sucked out”. Other than those minor details, the sound is pretty much the same throughout all of TLJ; maybe with the possible exception of the Falcon door close scene, which has a slightly more subtle variant of the same basic sound/effect.

I’m not sure if it’s consistently the same sound throughout TROS though. I’m pretty sure the Pasana force bond introduction at least has a similar swelled “fade-out” effect with the same style of reverb/echoing as TLJ, but it’s a bit more difficult to make out over the score that accompanies that particular moment.

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Well, if it isn’t part of TROS it can be added pretty easily I’m sure. It’d be worth it to include it at the end as you described. I like the idea, assuming it works well once tried out!

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Just a question, when you made your edits of the Prequel Trilogy, you described yourself as more of a curator, considering that you were borrowing ideas from other editors for your edits, as well as some of your own. For the Sequel Trilogy, you’ve been coming up with ideas as well as taking ideas from fans. Is there anything from other Sequel Trilogy edits that have made you want to use them as well. I know your inspired a bit by poppasketti’s edit of The Last Jedi.

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Bits and pieces, sure. TFA:R was driven by a single core idea, so there wasn’t a great deal of outside input. (I’m sure I’m just forgetting things about it at this point, to be fair.) TLJ was more trial and error, with poppasketti and I cross-pollinating quite a bit.

In both cases, I feel that the projects benefitted immensely from having input provided by members throughout. For the prequels, I was mostly working with an established textual history, sort of like the brothers Grimm or something.

As always, I just want these to exist and am super thankful for any and all help in making them. That being said, I’m about ready to see it all finished up, with ROTJ and TROS being the final pieces to lay into place.

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New post since it’s a separate thought that I don’t want to get buried:

Anyone know how to generate a similar effect to that audio vacuum characteristic of the ForceTime starting in TLJ? Otherwise I might have to have scene audio crossfade quickly into clips from TLJ. That might work, but it would be better to do it fresh.

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I’m just going to picture you as Doc Brown from now on, if that’s okay with you.

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I have both a suggestion to make and a point about the deleted scenes come the Blu-ray release.

My suggestion is similar to your change of moving the Luke and Yoda scene to a different place in your edit of The Last Jedi. How about moving the scene between Ben and Han to a different place as well? Maybe after Rey leaves Ahch-To in Luke’s X-Wing? Just like how Luke was offscreen for a long period of time, the same could be said about Ben here.

About the deleted scenes, I am hoping that we get a lot of really good juicy scenes come the film’s home video release. I heard that J.J. Abrams wasn’t that much of a deleted scenes guy when it comes to releasing them to the public. That would explain why we got a handful of short deleted scenes for The Force Awakens. Hopefully we’ll get something exciting.

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I sure hope so, too. It’s hard for me to consider moving the Han scene only because I don’t have a good map of the movie in my head or in front of me. But, I do recall really liking the fade of Chewie’s mourning into Ben’s scene.

RogueLeader said:

I’m just going to picture you as Doc Brown from now on, if that’s okay with you.

Fine by me. I don’t particularly look or act like him, yet it does seem to fit.

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nl0428 said:

I have both a suggestion to make and a point about the deleted scenes come the Blu-ray release.

My suggestion is similar to your change of moving the Luke and Yoda scene to a different place in your edit of The Last Jedi. How about moving the scene between Ben and Han to a different place as well? Maybe after Rey leaves Ahch-To in Luke’s X-Wing? Just like how Luke was offscreen for a long period of time, the same could be said about Ben here.

I think it might strain believability that he’d just stay standing on that precarious piece of the Death Star for so long.

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DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

I have both a suggestion to make and a point about the deleted scenes come the Blu-ray release.

My suggestion is similar to your change of moving the Luke and Yoda scene to a different place in your edit of The Last Jedi. How about moving the scene between Ben and Han to a different place as well? Maybe after Rey leaves Ahch-To in Luke’s X-Wing? Just like how Luke was offscreen for a long period of time, the same could be said about Ben here.

I think it might strain believability that he’d just stay standing on that precarious piece of the Death Star for so long.

True, but then again, why was Luke standing at the edge of a cliff in The Force Awakens for a while before Rey found him?

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I can’t remember, but does it cut from him tossing his saber to Rey tossing kindling onto the TIE?

I won’t be sure until sometime later, but I think that scene is pretty well tethered to the loss of Leia.

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Hal 9000 said:

I can’t remember, but does it cut from him tossing his saber to Rey tossing kindling onto the TIE?

I won’t be sure until sometime later, but I think that scene is pretty well tethered to the loss of Leia.

My memory is also kinda hazy too, but we can discuss more about moving that scene once the film is out on video so we can watch the movie as many times as we want.

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nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

I have both a suggestion to make and a point about the deleted scenes come the Blu-ray release.

My suggestion is similar to your change of moving the Luke and Yoda scene to a different place in your edit of The Last Jedi. How about moving the scene between Ben and Han to a different place as well? Maybe after Rey leaves Ahch-To in Luke’s X-Wing? Just like how Luke was offscreen for a long period of time, the same could be said about Ben here.

I think it might strain believability that he’d just stay standing on that precarious piece of the Death Star for so long.

True, but then again, why was Luke standing at the edge of a cliff in The Force Awakens for a while before Rey found him?

The difference is with Luke it’s ambiguous what he was up to. With Kylo we saw the preceding scene that put him there.

Hal 9000 said:

I can’t remember, but does it cut from him tossing his saber to Rey tossing kindling onto the TIE?

I believe there are a couple of other scenes between them.

I won’t be sure until sometime later, but I think that scene is pretty well tethered to the loss of Leia.

I agree.

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This probably has been covered elsewhere in the forum, but if you are able to removed the chewie’s alive scene, then the only reveal you need is when Rey realizes he is on the star destroyer; it is an emotional moment (music, tears, drama) that falls flat because you know he is alive. With that change we find out with the main characters and we might feel her relief more.

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I agree. I think that scene bridges two scenes in the same location do hopefully it can be smooth (at least by the standard this film sets for itself).

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I like that change as well, if it can work. Anything to delay the reveal.

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Awesome, glad you agree! In some ways, a fan edit of TROS might have more leeway since the existing pacing and editing sets such a low standard.

A big picture fix that is improbable but not impossible would be tweaking a few lines about Palp’s resurrection to reframe him as Sith Incarnate, rather than Palp Alive again. In other words, the reason he was brought back was not his own power (he still dies in ROTJ), but the power of the Sith/Dark Side, like an opposite Gandalf, and he operates now as little more than a puppet of the Sith spirits. It is implied enough in the movie, but I find it much more reasonable to think in those terms; I wish he spoke more in terms of “we” like Gollum to hit that home.

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Hal 9000 said:

I sure hope so, too. It’s hard for me to consider moving the Han scene only because I don’t have a good map of the movie in my head or in front of me. But, I do recall really liking the fade of Chewie’s mourning into Ben’s scene.

That part plays out as:

  • Rey fights her evil self, then Kylo shows up to break the wayfinder.
  • Resistance base where Leia walks off and Maz says she knows what to do.
  • Rey and Kylo fight (with Finn showing up and being kept at a distance).
  • Leia lies down to die, “Ben”.
  • Kylo drops his saber and Rey stabs him.
  • Leia’s hand drops.
  • Rey senses Leia’s death.
  • R2 is sad at Leia’s death.
  • Rey heals Kylo and runs away to steal his ship.
  • everyone at the base is sad that Leia died.
  • the heroes return on the Falcon and Chewie has his breakdown moment.
  • Kylo and Han have their chat, then he throws his saber away.
  • Palpatine FaceTimes General Pryde.
  • Star Destroyer blows up planet.
  • Poe gets told about that and they all worry about planet killer weapons.
  • Poe has a chat with dead Leia and Lando.
  • D-O has a chat with Finn.
  • Poe promotes Finn and they chat.
  • Rey throwing kindling onto the burning ship.

Just in case it is useful with planning.

Personally I want to see if Han and Kylo’s chat can be inserted right after Leia says “Ben”, to suggest she is force projecting the memory at Ben to really push him to remember his light side. There’s a good shot of Ben pausing and turning, but until it is released it’s hard to know how doable it’d be. Ideally I’d then end that chat before the lightsaber throw, and use that part between scenes after Rey stole his ship to suggest he’d been thinking for a while (possibly even have him seeing flashbacks of stabbing Han) and then he decides to throw the saber. Just my own head edit.

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Some of these scenes could be shuffled to adjust the placement of Ben and Han’s scene.

Noah Lawson

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Thanks for the list. I’m not sure what that would gain, as Kylo gets stabbed as both parties notice Leia’s passing. This goes on to prompt Ben to remember/hallucinate Han.

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