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Just skipping through some points on this workprint. I thought since the Knights of Ren voices were taken from Axlanian & Krausfadr project, that it would be similar to Krausfadrs project. I quite enjoyed their lines like “You’ll join your father soon”, & "It’s over Ben"and just the comical “Oh thats not fair” when Ben pulls the lightsaber out of nowhere and Ben just shrugs as if to say ‘Well, you were just beating me senseless, lifes not fair’.
But also I did enjoy your addition of ‘traitor’ in there. Was there something you didn’t like about the other lines Hal?

Maybe i’ll have to learn to edit and cut this in on my own.

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Brewzter said:

Interesting that the concepts show Coruscant somewhat further away, in my head I had been picturing it in close orbit like this:

https://imgur.com/a/ydUS52f

(Ignore the literal MS paint lol)

Looks great, I did something similar for Jonh a while ago, would be awesome to see something along these lines for the meeting
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11dBe5kjmpRWRR00kTxeidGAfnA0TAfng

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Sorry for annoyingly nagging on about this, but the (at the very least) audio transition from original movie into the re-cut “how thick do you think that ice wall is?” sequence is still not sitting right with me. I’ve been trying to watch it from different angles or frame of mind, and it’s jarring for me every time. I know you had to do it this way because of the original score over Poe’s dialogue in the theatrical had to be masked. But surely there is a more seamless way to do it? I don’t know.
The score before the changed part is a big swelling orchestra track. And then it’s basically immediately cut off into a quieter sounding (literally and figuratively), simpler, almost centre speaker playing track. I guess if you’re not paying attention to it while watching it wouldn’t be a problem. But I noticed it, not going into this remembering that bit was tweaked.
Don’t mean to be whining about it (because I have no idea how I’d attempt to change it) but yeah.

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idir_hh said:

Brewzter said:

Interesting that the concepts show Coruscant somewhat further away, in my head I had been picturing it in close orbit like this:

https://imgur.com/a/ydUS52f

(Ignore the literal MS paint lol)

Looks great, I did something similar for Jonh a while ago, would be awesome to see something along these lines for the meeting
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11dBe5kjmpRWRR00kTxeidGAfnA0TAfng

I think Brewzters concept of Coruscant should be copied as is into the film, although its LUT may be off 😉

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Joking aside the nearer concept is a better option for Coruscant.

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The KoR voice project had different options for dialogue, so I just picked the ones I preferred. And some I didn’t use at all.

The ice wall audio is super tricky and convoluted. But I will revisit it again and see if there’s anything else I can do. Knowing that it sounds like the music drops out helps! Perhaps dropping in a little bit of music that halfway matches would help.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

The KoR voice project had different options for dialogue, so I just picked the ones I preferred. And some I didn’t use at all.

The ice wall audio is super tricky and convoluted. But I will revisit it again and see if there’s anything else I can do. Knowing that it sounds like the music drops out helps! Perhaps dropping in a little bit of music that halfway matches would help.

I am really loving workprint 6! Such great work. Haven’t checked out 6.1 but I have KoR notes if there were no significant changes there.

Love the addition of “traitor” but if there are any more takes with a “rebel scum” level of disgust and hatred in the voice acting it might punch more? (It did stand out to me, that duplicated audio for traitor but I am reading you already resolved that in 6.1)

I don’t think anyone has said this yet, but I feel like the “what?” / “…how?” KoR VO when Ben reveals his teleported lightsaber may dampen the wry comedy of that moment. (Not that it was like, “actual lol” funny, I just think the beats of the KoR’s silent reactions and his shrug were near-perfect originally.)

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Are the KoR voice lines available somewhere?

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Is this the final workprint? “Rey Nobody” version has any progress? i’m waiting for that version.

All the work put on this edit is incredible and i appreciate all the effort, but i really can’t enjoy the movie with that twist, that “twist” cheapens the whole trilogy for me and makes the whole Rian vs JJ tug war situation more glaring.

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Papa’s_rod said:

Is this the final workprint? “Rey Nobody” version has any progress? i’m waiting for that version.

All the work put on this edit is incredible and i appreciate all the effort, but i really can’t enjoy the movie with that twist, that “twist” cheapens the whole trilogy for me and makes the whole Rian vs JJ tug war situation more glaring.

I can’t understand why so many of you have a problem with Rey being a Palpatine. For me, it’s the only possible explanation why she is so powerful. I like the character of Rey, but in Part 7 & 8 it always bothered me, that she was too strong and powerful. But when it became known that she’s a Palpatine, everything made sense to me.

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MMP said:

I can’t understand why so many of you have a problem with Rey being a Palpatine. For me, it’s the only possible explanation why she is so powerful. I like the character of Rey, but in Part 7 & 8 it always bothered me, that she was too strong and powerful. But when it became known that she’s a Palpatine, everything made sense to me.

But why is Palpatine so powerful? If it’s genetic, there’s no reason Rey couldn’t have been born with the same random innate power as young Sheev. If it’s from years of intense Sith training, then Rey wouldn’t have inherited it.

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The official explanation doesn’t make that better, because the Force skipped a generation or something. For just the movies, though, sure.

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MMP said:

Papa’s_rod said:

Is this the final workprint? “Rey Nobody” version has any progress? i’m waiting for that version.

All the work put on this edit is incredible and i appreciate all the effort, but i really can’t enjoy the movie with that twist, that “twist” cheapens the whole trilogy for me and makes the whole Rian vs JJ tug war situation more glaring.

I can’t understand why so many of you have a problem with Rey being a Palpatine. For me, it’s the only possible explanation why she is so powerful. I like the character of Rey, but in Part 7 & 8 it always bothered me, that she was too strong and powerful. But when it became known that she’s a Palpatine, everything made sense to me.

Why was Yoda so powerful?
Why was Palpatine so powerful?
The point is that a part of the audience wanted an explanation, another did not. I liked Rey Nobody because this is one of the few fictional universes where I don’t need an explanation to justify a character’s strength.

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sade1212 said:

MMP said:

I can’t understand why so many of you have a problem with Rey being a Palpatine. For me, it’s the only possible explanation why she is so powerful. I like the character of Rey, but in Part 7 & 8 it always bothered me, that she was too strong and powerful. But when it became known that she’s a Palpatine, everything made sense to me.

But why is Palpatine so powerful? If it’s genetic, there’s no reason Rey couldn’t have been born with the same random innate power as young Sheev. If it’s from years of intense Sith training, then Rey wouldn’t have inherited it.

Why is Luke so powerful? Because his father was. Why Leia and her son? I think it is genetic. It does make sense to me. It doesn’t have to make sense for everyone else. But when I saw the movie the first time, my reaction was “OK, that explains why she is so powerful and why she went straight to the dark side in TLJ”. The whole trilogy would have been much more implausible for me when she would have been a nobody. But thats just my opinion.

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I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

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I think if it’s required that she’s related to someone we know, Palpatine was the best choice. It’s supported by what we’d already seen, and her dark side connection at least gives her an internal struggle and retains the message of choosing your identity. I’m glad it didn’t end up being someone like Obi-Wan, because I think that would have landed with a big “So what?”

Otherwise, I think the Rey Nobody idea introduced in TLJ was a great twist, and makes force using more about worthiness and character than about bloodline. It also has that ratatouille thing of, “Not everyone can become a great cook, but a great cook can come from anywhere.” Ratatouille? anyone?

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NeverarGreat said:

I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

But coincidences like that have happened in Star Wars before. Remember when Darth Vader captured Darth Vader’s daughter, who sent Darth Vader’s robots on a mission to find Darth Vader’s master, and those robots ended up running into Darth Vader’s son along the way? All without anyone realizing those connections?

Star Wars thrives on coincidences, so I don’t think you should rag on the sequels for it.

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poppasketti said:

I think if it’s required that she’s related to someone we know, Palpatine was the best choice. It’s supported by what we’d already seen, and her dark side connection at least gives her an internal struggle and retains the message of choosing your identity. I’m glad it didn’t end up being someone like Obi-Wan, because I think that would have landed with a big “So what?”

Otherwise, I think the Rey Nobody idea introduced in TLJ was a great twist, and makes force using more about worthiness and character than about bloodline. It also has that ratatouille thing of, “Not everyone can become a great cook, but a great cook can come from anywhere.” Ratatouille? anyone?

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I’m not a fan of Rey’s new Palpatine lineage (I really liked Rey Nobody) but I don’t think the common complaint that it’s a copy of Luke’s lineage twist is valid.

Luke struggles with learning his dark heritage, but overcomes it and helps Anakin redeem himself

Rey struggles with learning her dark heritage, but overcomes it and ends Palpatine permanently, then redeeming the bloodline by taking on the Skywalker name

I think there’s a lot of nice stuff that comes out of Rey Palpatine too. Things like how Palpatine tried to create a dyad of darkness with Anakin but couldn’t, and then their grandchild form a dyad of light. Or how Palpatine took a Skywalker’s name away when they chose the dark, and later a Palpatine took the Skywalker name when they chose the light.

FWIW I really liked Rey Nobody but would’ve been cool with Rey Kenobi. I love that she takes the Skywalker name tho

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Yes, to poppasketti you listen! I can live with either, especially with how much work has been done to repair the film on this site. I understand both opinions, but I am in the Rey Nobody camp.

Just checked out workprint 6.1, the Knights of Ren “surprised” voiceover work when Ben reveals the lightsaber is somehow not hitting right. There’s nothing in the KoR voice pack, but I think if you’re feeling there must be something there instead of silent physical reactions, Hal, I think something as simple as a deadpan “no” would work great (a la Agent Smith when he’s caught off guard by the helicopter and minigun in The Matrix? Anyone?)

That doubled use of “traitor” being corrected makes me feel more on board with the VO work for the Knights of Ren. After checking out a little of that voice pack, I do like vicrul’s “You’re a disgrace” a lot as well, but much like “Knights of Ren.” / “Ghouls” there isn’t much space to get anything to read with music, effects, and how quick the original cuts are.

Speaking of “Knights of Ren.” “Ghouls.” did anyone ever try recording the word “zealots” or “madmen”? I know the word cultists features in a First Order officer line just a few shots later, so “cultists” couldn’t be used. (Feel free to ignore this tangent, I have read a bunch of the thread and know this has gone round a few times)

With the quality of this workprint alone, I am super excited for kewl to finish that saber work and Rey Nobody cut to happen. This makes me so much happier than the theatrical version!

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StarkillerAG said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

But coincidences like that have happened in Star Wars before. Remember when Darth Vader captured Darth Vader’s daughter, who sent Darth Vader’s robots on a mission to find Darth Vader’s master, and those robots ended up running into Darth Vader’s son along the way? All without anyone realizing those connections?

Star Wars thrives on coincidences, so I don’t think you should rag on the sequels for it.

The difference is that it’s not purely coincidence that Vader’s master was the person Leia was searching for to stop…Vader and the Empire. It also isn’t a stretch that Vader’s master wanted to be in close proximity to Vader’s son. These things are connected in a way that isn’t mere coincidence.

The daughter and droids coincidence was made by later films, which kinda proves my point.

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I would have liked for Ep9 to follow TLJ’s lead in Rey’s identity as she would forge ahead with building herself up as the heir to the Jedi. However, if they want to have her struggle with inner darkness, I think TROS on its own as a film benefits more from having a Palpatine lineage than what it would be if we removed it via fan editing.

Arguably, though, I took the opposite approach to handling ROTS by undercutting a dramatic punch for continuity with ROTJ. But even then there are both versions available.

I like the “what? how?” moment personally, and it was one of the choices in the voice pack. I thought it was less on the nose than “oh, that’s not fair.” I think it’s good to have the KoR say something on Exegol because that’s the only time in the movie that we hear the vocalizations that axlanian and krausfadr worked to match (as they get beaten).

That’s the KoR getting beaten, not axlanian and krausfadr. I’m pretty sure they weren’t under any duress while working on that.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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NeverarGreat said:

StarkillerAG said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think 8 posited the best explanation we’re likely to get - her strength in the Force arose as a reaction to Kylo’s Dark Side. Sure, she said that something has ‘always been there’, but any bloodline explanation compounds the coincidence of living next to the Map to Luke and the Millennium Falcon and finding BB-8. Her being a true nobody was the only way that wasn’t entirely laughable on its face.

But coincidences like that have happened in Star Wars before. Remember when Darth Vader captured Darth Vader’s daughter, who sent Darth Vader’s robots on a mission to find Darth Vader’s master, and those robots ended up running into Darth Vader’s son along the way? All without anyone realizing those connections?

Star Wars thrives on coincidences, so I don’t think you should rag on the sequels for it.

The difference is that it’s not purely coincidence that Vader’s master was the person Leia was searching for to stop…Vader and the Empire. It also isn’t a stretch that Vader’s master wanted to be in close proximity to Vader’s son. These things are connected in a way that isn’t mere coincidence.

The daughter and droids coincidence was made by later films, which kinda proves my point.

Yes, they did do a retroactive justification, but that doesn’t mean it was never an issue in the first place. And just because a weird plot issue was introduced by later films doesn’t mean it isn’t an issue either. Like I said from the beginning, I’m just trying to prove that Disney didn’t start the Star Wars franchise’s obsession with weird coincidences.

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If the Force and strength is genetic, can the next Anthology film be centred on Shmi Skywalker and her grandiose Force powers?

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I’ve been avoiding watcing any other workprints of Ascendant since the initail one as I’d rather watch the finish product but as Hals stated that this current version 6.1 is pretty much the end result unless the crackling sabre footage and Lukes wig being worked on shows up, this is it. So after watching today I must say, it all just works flawlessly 😉👌.

I really can’t find fault or any major things worth changing at all, and I tried so hard to find things while watching but could only come up with a few small things so well done all involved…
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These additions were a billiant idea and add so much more charactor to the Knights of Ren, the only line which seems slightly off was when Rey teleports the sabre to Ben one knights says “what, how?” the what is perfect dropping the how would leave that slight audio pause while Ben shrugs which would work better.

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Simply put he does waffle alot at the end would be nice to just see whats going on for a moment without him explaining what hes doing, specifictly after his lines…
“The life force of your bond, a diad in the force”
then cut the rest of his bad guy monologue and just show him restoring himself and cackling

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This is more of a whats this scene about as I really never did get this can someone explain why Kylo and the knights are dropping all that dirt out of them 🤨.

Anyway quality edit and my go to for ROS, looking forward to Hals commenary track on final release.

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