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It’s a tight fit in the message scene so I was t able to really fit in any other combination of lines. I’ll try again but I think it’s just important to imply they listened to something from Palpatine.

Anakin won’t appear at the end. It would not feel right, and jonh plans fo work on this when he is able, possibly next month.

I will knock off part two of DOTF.

I look forward to adding KoR dialogue. Axlanian, do you also have any alternate dialogue for the moment with Threepio and the stormtroopers?

Kyle Ren and Palpatine have a very Sith-like understanding, each needing the other for something but willing to dispose of the other when convenient. Kylo’s question “what could you give me” is in response to “I will give you so much more,” as in the original.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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hedgesmfg said:

By the canon of this cut, she heard Anakin’s voice and felt a connection with him during the fight against Palpatine, so I think it’s something you could get away with if done tastefully.

Plus, he literally endorses her in a sort of psuedo-chosen one way, so as controversial as it is, his connections to her keeps the prophesy more relevant while still letting fans decide for themselves who precisely the chosen one could be (as there are still different interpretations out there, when it could be argued that the chosen one is the entire family line from him onwards, of which Rey is adopted into).

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Anakin popping in the end would just be cheap fan service and a bad idea.

the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

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No anikin at the end.

As much as I hate how this entire new trilogy takes a dump on all the previous trilogy’s lore, what’s done is done.

What Jonh has done with the Palpatine “duel” is great and Is the best that can be done of adding Anikin, and the others, without it being a blatant fan service since it contributes to the scene in a meaningful way.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Hey Hal,

While I am at home looking at the original cut, there is a few POSSIBLE lines to use for Finn to “appear” in the scene using the cut parts of the scene. I’ll try to mess with it if I can get the movie over to the office and it’s quiet:

Every Time

Rey

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Lol, maybe he just randomly says “always.”

And Anakin as a ghost at the end would indeed feel extremely fan edit-y. Ben makes sense and belongs there, but Anakin doesn’t.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Not only is it a cheap fan service moment that would feel fan Edit-y, it doesn’t make any narrative sense to have Anakin there. The whole point of the scene is to show Rey adopting the skywalker name after the people who have impacted her the most: Luke and leia, adding Ben makes the most sense because the whole trilogy is about his redemption. Yes, Rey has heard Anakin’s voice during the climax but she does not know what he looks like. If Anakin appeared there it would not make sense for Rey to see him as Anakin pretty much doesn’t mean much to her. In the same sense it would also be weird if in return of the Jedi luke saw Qui-gon for the same reasons. The force ghosts are meant to appear to people who they have left impacts on. Luke would only see Anakin, obi wan and yoda because they left impact on him. Obi wan in clone wars talks to Qui-gon because that’s his former master, and rey would see luke and leia (and should have seen ben) for the same reasons.

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I just watched the latest work print, and I have to say the naboo shot at the end looks great! Removing the somehow Palpatine returned line was great and the message scene works really well. During the kylo and rey duel on the Death Star 2, I feel like the use of duel of the fates it too much. The first cue was all that was needed and two uses of it feels like too much, the focus should be on the sounds of the environment clashing with the sounds of the duel. Other than that this is overall looking great!

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I’m watching through the workprint right now, a couple of thoughts:

I really liked the gray Exegol from workprint 4, it had a very striking look, as it is now it’s hard to notice a difference without a side by side comparison, I think the LUT could be pushed a bit further to capture that drab & decaying feel from the previous workprint. The other new LUTs look great though.

Also I agree Palpatine’s message goes by too quick, it needs more time for the audience to register what’s going on, and also it kinda feels like those two lines are the entire message. This:

Hal 9000 said:

Here, compare this to what’s in the workprint for the message moment: https://vimeo.com/449495094

is a big improvement and fixes both issues.

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Hey Hal still been playing around with adding some other line. I am not sure how great it will work. For kicks and giggles, I tried another attempt with this scene. It is rough for a few reasons, mainly my RIP from the blu ray can’t seem to come out clean and makes the video a bit choppy and kinda … i dunno, weird-ified. So my timing may not be great with what I did since I literally “can’t see” frames. But what do you think?

https://vimeo.com/449780343
PW: fanedit

Here is my rational after watching the video:

  • Prior to this scene, we see Poe make the jump through a wall of ice (may or may not have been light speed, but for the audience, we assume that’s what he does.)

  • So when Rey and Finn are talking, Chewbacca roars. I am implying he said “Poe made the jump through an ice wall!” Remember, he was not too happy/shocked with Poe’s thinking of “How thick do you think that ice is?” since that was pretty dangerous and gutsy.

  • I overlay Poe saying RIGHT at the end of the roar his line about "Well i got us through/safe or whatever he says.

  • Rey looks over towards Poe and we cut to her walking towards Poe and starting the argument about the dampers.

  • Rey says you can’t light speed/ cut that part and have Poe jump up and say “Apparently I can!”

I was implying she was bout tot say “you can’t light speed jump through an ice wall!” … a further extension from Chewy since we see he wasn’t too keen about Poe jumping through the ice and extending that from his roar at the base.

So that’s my logic since we SAW Poe jump through an ice wall and that was understandably dangerous. Also, we see he hit a wall while flying the falcon too. He is rough with the ship … so no wonder we see it in bad shape.

I am hoping this is not making too many assumptions for the audience, but we the audience see that:

1.) Poe is rough on the falcon.

2.) Jumps through and ice wall despite Chewy’s protest.

3.) We have not scene a ship make the jump THROUGH a solid object before.

EDIT: Another logic I just thought of, since she talks about the “downed dampers” that could have been her next argument of “You can’t Lightspeed-” … “without the dampers” could have been another logic to it. Poe cuts her off since he is already annoyed, his mood and demeanor screams of that. Kind of like “Hey, we are here and I’m at least doing something” attitude which he laters takes a swipe at Rey about not “helping” as the best fighter.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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jarbear said:

Hey Hal still been playing around with adding some other line. I am not sure how great it will work. For kicks and giggles, I tried another attempt with this scene. It is rough for a few reasons, mainly my RIP from the blu ray can’t seem to come out clean and makes the video a bit choppy and kinda … i dunno, weird-ified. So my timing may not be great with what I did since I literally “can’t see” frames. But what do you think?

https://vimeo.com/449780343
PW: fanedit

Here is my rational after watching the video:

  • Prior to this scene, we see Poe make the jump through a wall of ice (may or may not have been light speed, but for the audience, we assume that’s what he does.)

  • So when Rey and Finn are talking, Chewbacca roars. I am implying he said “Poe made the jump through an ice wall!” Remember, he was not too happy/shocked with Poe’s thinking of “How thick do you think that ice is?” since that was pretty dangerous and gutsy.

  • I overlay Poe saying RIGHT at the end of the roar his line about "Well i got us through/safe or whatever he says.

  • Rey looks over towards Poe and we cut to her walking towards Poe and starting the argument about the dampers.

  • Rey says you can’t light speed/ cut that part and have Poe jump up and say “Apparently I can!”

I was implying she was bout tot say “you can’t light speed jump through an ice wall!” … a further extension from Chewy since we see he wasn’t too keen about Poe jumping through the ice and extending that from his roar at the base.

So that’s my logic since we SAW Poe jump through an ice wall and that was understandably dangerous. Also, we see he hit a wall while flying the falcon too. He is rough with the ship … so no wonder we see it in bad shape.

I am hoping this is not making too many assumptions for the audience, but we the audience see that:

1.) Poe is rough on the falcon.

2.) Jumps through and ice wall despite Chewy’s protest.

3.) We have not scene a ship make the jump THROUGH a solid object before.

EDIT: Another logic I just thought of, since she talks about the “downed dampers” that could have been her next argument of “You can’t Lightspeed-” … “without the dampers” could have been another logic to it. Poe cuts her off since he is already annoyed, his mood and demeanor screams of that. Kind of like “Hey, we are here and I’m at least doing something” attitude which he laters takes a swipe at Rey about not “helping” as the best fighter.

This is pretty much what I did with the mockup I posted yesterday in the thread. I like what you’re doing here too, maybe if you overlay rey saying “poe” from the scene so it can sound like she says “poe, the compressor’s down” it might make the cut to the argument over the compressor a little less jarring. Otherwise, great work! I feel like this could be the best mockup of the scene once finished. I’d also mute poe saying “yea well it got us back here” before the cut because it sounds like he’s talking to someone else when rey looks at him before the cut.

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Does anyone here have an interest in making Snoke out to be an apprentice of some sort of Palpatine? Since the vat of his clones have been replaced, I think it could work, but it would also result in the removal of his line, “you have ever heard.”

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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As in, instead of ‘I made Snoke’ it could be ‘I trained Snoke’ Could work if you can find trained or a similar word said by Palpatine. Doesn’t bother me either way to be honest.

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Does anyone here have an interest in making Snoke out to be an apprentice of some sort of Palpatine? Since the vat of his clones have been replaced, I think it could work, but it would also result in the removal of his line, “you have ever heard.”

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I might’ve missed it in this huge discussion, but has anyone tried to do anything about “Knights of Ren… Cool”? It still feels really forced (Heh) and unnecessary imo.

“I love being me.”

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Lightsideuser said:

As in, instead of ‘I made Snoke’ it could be ‘I trained Snoke’ Could work if you can find trained or a similar word said by Palpatine. Doesn’t bother me either way to be honest.

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here have an interest in making Snoke out to be an apprentice of some sort of Palpatine? Since the vat of his clones have been replaced, I think it could work, but it would also result in the removal of his line, “you have ever heard.”

Agreed, but even just saying, “I made Snoke” can still work in the context that Palpatine made him the way he is as he did with his past apprentices. Like he “made” Vader by turning Anakin to the Dark Side.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Just wanted to chime in after watching the new workprint, and let me just say that even though it’s a simple change, the removal of the “16 hours” ticking clock made an immense difference for me! I’m very impressed with so many of the custom shots in this edit, as well as just how well this has been tightened up. Great work all around! Can’t wait to see what the final product looks like!

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axlanian said:

Hi Hal! Just checking in to say I’ve received the final revisions for each of the Knights of Ren voices. I’m applying the final effects and will have the voice pack (two different people for each knight, and multiple line options for each scene) ready tomorrow!

WOO WOO

learn about my fanedits at https://krausfadr.wordpress.com/
heil palpatine.

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Jarbear, thanks for the additional mockup. I do still think and feel that what’s there at present is the best option. It seems cleaner, though still not ideal. I don’t think it’d be a problem for anyone who didn’t know there was more scene there originally, which is the audience that matters. I know this one’s not making everybody happy!

And I will try to increase the grey-ness of Exogol a bit more and make sure it doesn’t bleed unhelpfully into anything else. (Perhaps 66% rather than 50%.)

It’s encouraging that the feedback has been relegated to a few things, some of which I have actually changed.

So… do people prefer Palpatine’s message here to what’s in the workprint? We get one additional line, but lose the impact of the concluding static immediately preceding the crowd gasping and clamoring. Personally, I prefer what’s currently in the workprint. https://vimeo.com/449495094

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Jarbear, thanks for the additional mockup. I do still think and feel that what’s there at present is the best option. It seems cleaner, though still not ideal. I don’t think it’d be a problem for anyone who didn’t know there was more scene there originally, which is the audience that matters. I know this one’s not making everybody happy!

And I will try to increase the grey-ness of Exogol a bit more and make sure it doesn’t bleed unhelpfully into anything else. (Perhaps 66% rather than 50%.)

It’s encouraging that the feedback has been relegated to a few things, some of which I have actually changed.

So… do people prefer Palpatine’s message here to what’s in the workprint? We get one additional line, but lose the impact of the concluding static immediately preceding the crowd gasping and clamoring. Personally, I prefer what’s currently in the workprint. https://vimeo.com/449495094

I like the additional line, but the one in the workprint also works really well. If I had to choose one I’d choose the additional line mockup.

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No prob Hal, I was playing around with a line from Finn … but it doesn’t work so well. I think the added grass/walking sound at least helps without being distracting. It is minor, but maybe it works subconsciously for the viewer?

I like the original Palp. Short and sweet with good impact.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I like the original Palp. Short and sweet with good impact.

Weren’t you against adding the message in the first place…

Filmic Crossroads, Daniel L. Isidore

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Cinefy said:

I like the original Palp. Short and sweet with good impact.

Weren’t you against adding the message in the first place…

Yep, I still personally don’t see a need for it, but if Hal says pick Version A or B, then I will make a choice.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Hal 9000 said:

I look forward to adding KoR dialogue. Axlanian, do you also have any alternate dialogue for the moment with Threepio and the stormtroopers?

I’ll get back into that, but I was really struggling to come up with anything to have him say. I’ll throw a bunch of options in there and then see if any of it works, but any suggestions would be VERY welcome.

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I might’ve missed it in this huge discussion, but has anyone tried to do anything about “Knights of Ren… Cool”? It still feels really forced (Heh) and unnecessary imo.

The second trooper says “Ghouls!”, and I agree it should be removed (if that hasn’t already been done).