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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 241

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jarbear said:
Initial thoughts thinking about the Poe/Rey/Finn conversation, maybe it would help to add some walking in leaf sounds and even some kind of Finn line or something that goes from a “far” away sound to “closer”? It may make that feel a bit more natural with him “suddenly” appearing.

This could be interesting…

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There are some free walking/running on leaves sounds to play with, I’ll see if I can mess around with it … gotta convert the video file to work for iMovie here at the office.

It doesn’t have to be super loud, but enough you can get a sense of movement and I would see if there is some kind of line to use like “hey” or “come one” or something that goes from soft to louder really quick just so we get SOME presence he is coming into the scene, even if it is quick.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Yeah, a little bit of foley can go a long way to making it feel less like he appears out of nowhere.

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I think I’ve got something that could work for the scene, in a slightly different way than what you are all suggesting. Let me try a mockup on my computer really quickly. And no this will not have any light speed skipping references at all.

Edit: There may need to be some frame editing to slightly extend a frame right at a cut so it doesn’t go too fast.

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Here is a quick mockup:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5EXDsCX5OIl8_lyIHBIOqftdDIN5G3Z/view?usp=sharing

I kept Finn and Rey’s interaction, while removing lightspeed skipping references. I feel like Chewie’s growl now could mean he is telling Rey about the intel, and then she turns her head and asks Poe about it. I don’t know if her looking in poe’s direction before the cut would need to be extended or not. Thoughts?

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natm said:

Here is a quick mockup:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5EXDsCX5OIl8_lyIHBIOqftdDIN5G3Z/view?usp=sharing

I kept Finn and Rey’s interaction, while removing lightspeed skipping references. I feel like Chewie’s growl now could mean he is telling Rey about the intel, and then she turns her head and asks Poe about it. I don’t know if her looking in poe’s direction before the cut would need to be extended or not. Thoughts?

That’s similar to one of my older versions. There’s a similar difficulty with her read of “Poe” not quite matching her still jaw. Otherwise it looks great!

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JakeRyan17 said:

natm said:

Here is a quick mockup:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5EXDsCX5OIl8_lyIHBIOqftdDIN5G3Z/view?usp=sharing

I kept Finn and Rey’s interaction, while removing lightspeed skipping references. I feel like Chewie’s growl now could mean he is telling Rey about the intel, and then she turns her head and asks Poe about it. I don’t know if her looking in poe’s direction before the cut would need to be extended or not. Thoughts?

That’s similar to one of my older versions. There’s a similar difficulty with her read of “Poe” not quite matching her still jaw. Otherwise it looks great!

Thanks, and when she says “Poe” the intention was to have it be apart of the next scene, as if she’s saying “Poe, what happened?”. That’s why I’m thinking maybe her being still and looking at Poe could be extended by a few frames.

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natm said:

JakeRyan17 said:

natm said:

Here is a quick mockup:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5EXDsCX5OIl8_lyIHBIOqftdDIN5G3Z/view?usp=sharing

I kept Finn and Rey’s interaction, while removing lightspeed skipping references. I feel like Chewie’s growl now could mean he is telling Rey about the intel, and then she turns her head and asks Poe about it. I don’t know if her looking in poe’s direction before the cut would need to be extended or not. Thoughts?

That’s similar to one of my older versions. There’s a similar difficulty with her read of “Poe” not quite matching her still jaw. Otherwise it looks great!

Thanks, and when she says “Poe” the intention was to have it be apart of the next scene, as if she’s saying “Poe, what happened?”. That’s why I’m thinking maybe her being still and looking at Poe could be extended by a few frames.

Yeah, I get that. That’s kinda what my intention was with using “What happened?” as she turned back to camera before her lips moved, but it didn’t connect that way for others here.

I think it works well enough though!

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Just had a quick look at the Naboo shot in workprint 5, wow! It looks great!

booyah baybeee

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I would say WP5 is absolutely perfect except that ‘ta-da’ Finn scene. Everything else is absolutely spot on and I’m amazed at everyone’s efforts to pull it all off… natm i like your ideas about how to cut that scene and think it should be given due consideration.

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Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

I don’t have the original cut of the movie at the office, but Finn does say “come on” during the last briefing that was cut since he refuted the 1 in a million shot.

EDIT: The only issue is there is music in the scene and it overlaps with the line. The tone and delivery is good for this idea though. Dang.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I didn’t know you had reached a consensus on the “Somehow, Palpatine returned” line. The result is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one 😛

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Here is a quick mock up with some walking sound. I hope this will help us “hear” Finn coming. Also, to make sure the sound isn’t isolated to just his appearance, I added walking sound with all three walk away too.

https://vimeo.com/449436899
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I would like to add a line some point during the “you are difficult” part or something. Or even earlier where you can here Finn in the background.

EDIT: Oh, the new Naboo shot looks great! That’s the best yet.

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I think adding foley and a line for Finn will be the ticket. Could you send me the sound effect since you already have it? I’ll also see about the line mentioned above from the briefing scene. Good thinking.

Thanks for the feedback on WP5 so far. I’ll declare sync lock in a little while probably. Whoo boy.

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Also, I’m going to see about brining Burning Homestead in a little bit earlier since I can’t move it later, so those first two notes before the Force theme can pack more of a punch.

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PM sent Hal, hope it’ll work for ya.

Maybe even a “hey” line or something could work. I think it needs to be short so its not a talking overload with people talking over each other too much.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Lightsideuser said:

I would say WP5 is absolutely perfect except that ‘ta-da’ Finn scene. Everything else is absolutely spot on and I’m amazed at everyone’s efforts to pull it all off… natm i like your ideas about how to cut that scene and think it should be given due consideration.

Me too, lightside, me too. 😭 but I think they are already set on what jarbear is doing.

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It just doesn’t seem to flow right. It wouldn’t be a good match cut beyond fan editing standards, I don’t think. 😦

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Hal 9000 said:

It just doesn’t seem to flow right. It wouldn’t be a good match cut beyond fan editing standards, I don’t think. 😦

Not gonna lie that’s how I feel about Finn just coming out of knowhere and saying we just landed to them when he isn’t apart of that conversation. It just didn’t feel natural at all, and felt like fan editing. Maybe adding the leave walking sounds can improve it though, but I just prefer keeping the Finn and rey interaction for the sake of continuity of their friendship. It’s alright though this isn’t my edit so I’m not gonna die on this hill Hal, and I look forward to the final version of the scene.

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jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

I don’t have the original cut of the movie at the office, but Finn does say “come on” during the last briefing that was cut since he refuted the 1 in a million shot.

EDIT: The only issue is there is music in the scene and it overlaps with the line. The tone and delivery is good for this idea though. Dang.

Couldn’t you open the multi-track audio file and extract just the dialogue, or at least the dialogue with as little music as possible (if the dialogue track is itself not isolated)?

With the right mixing, it doesn’t seem like it’d be too hard if you know the timestamp. I just did this for the narration of the introduction in my Clone Wars movie edit.

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Hal 9000 said:

Also, I’m going to see about brining Burning Homestead in a little bit earlier since I can’t move it later, so those first two notes before the Force theme can pack more of a punch.

Did the prior two mockups I posted using variations on the Force Theme not get seen, or did you just not like them?

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1369914/action/topic#1369914

No hard feelings if you didn’t, of course, but the point I was making is that I don’t think Burning Homestead is the only possible option for music there. It doesn’t even have to be the only possible version of the Force Theme, for what that’s worth. With some subtle slowdown and stretch, the Force Theme use from The Last Jedi fits pretty well there, with the build to the lightning strike.

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hedgesmfg said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

I don’t have the original cut of the movie at the office, but Finn does say “come on” during the last briefing that was cut since he refuted the 1 in a million shot.

EDIT: The only issue is there is music in the scene and it overlaps with the line. The tone and delivery is good for this idea though. Dang.

Couldn’t you open the multi-track audio file and extract just the dialogue, or at least the dialogue with as little music as possible (if the dialogue track is itself not isolated)?

With the right mixing, it doesn’t seem like it’d be too hard if you know the timestamp. I just did this for the narration of the introduction in my Clone Wars movie edit.

I am an über noob, I just got iMovie and am not a big time video editor. If anyone can isolate that, it could be helpful. Also, I could use the “rey” he used that was cut from the scene, lower the sound and try to mess with it so it sounds like he is approaching the group.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I can see why people think that the editing in the ‘ta-da’ Finn scene is a bit rough. But I personally don’t think it’s that bad. Besides I just watched the latest workprint with a friend who hasn’t seen the movie since it came out in theaters and he didn’t notice anything off during the scene.

Also, I don’t if this has been discussed before, but is the ‘dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew’ line staying in? I still think it is a bit of an odd line considering the Republic used a clone army a few decades prior. Changing the line to just ‘dark science, secrets only the Sith knew’ would already be much better in my opinion.

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He’s not saying cloning is a secret only the Sith knew, he’s saying “It could have been dark science, or cloning, or maybe even secrets only the Sith knew.”