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Hey there would love to see the workprint Hal!

BTW i get chills literally every time i watch this new edited ship segment! https://vimeo.com/428168141

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That’s a fair criticism, as this is a pretty lax edit in terms of story changes. That’s my usual style; I would like for this to be something that truly could have been projected in place of the original and not cause any more problems. To feel really polished and not have anything iffy. (As far as I can help in the fan editor role. Do no harm.)

If that’s the main criticism, then I feel good. lol
And I will certainly join anyone in hoping someone goes further with more changes and ideas past this “safe” starting place. It’s not that I like this movie better than the others, just that there’s not a lot of wiggle room to finesse without taking it to territory I’m not big on. I still hope to do a ‘Rey Nobody’ edit once the world can see Dominic’s work on that front.

TFA:R is pretty conservative, too, but it has some elegant restructuring that really helps the overall narrative and plot. Nothing equivalent has been found yet for TROS. And I haven’t had nearly the same chance to give this project the sort of thought I did all the others, as my life is pretty different and I have practically zero free time, energy, or mental space.

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In the scene where Leia reaches out to Ben, have you considered extending her lines to “Ben, come home” like Dominic is doing? I think there are a couple other clips Dominic posted that use shots from trailers like the extended TIE confrontation. I’d like to see some of those implemented here.

Just downloaded the workprint. Will try to check it out soon.

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Well, I just finished, and i have to say: it is an improved version of TROS, small changes can fix a lot, i think that’s the case here.
Even though I liked a lot (I got more emotional this time than in the premiere), I agree is indeed conservative, i think is a nice base for radical edits, and, with luck and with the Big-Bad Mouse good will, a future base for an extended cut if deleted/alternate scenes were ever released (or someone is crazy enough to produce new scenes).
There are nitpicks I would complain, a shot here and there, some unnecessary fan-service (like chewie medal or the kiss), etc, but nothing too big to point out (and can be easily customized at will).
Nevertheless, a fine workprint (and fine addition to my headcanon), really looking foward to see the final cut.
Good job, Hal, thanks for making Star Wars better for us 😃

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Hal 9000 said:

That’s a fair criticism, as this is a pretty lax edit in terms of story changes. That’s my usual style; I would like for this to be something that truly could have been projected in place of the original and not cause any more problems. To feel really polished and not have anything iffy. (As far as I can help in the fan editor role. Do no harm.)

If that’s the main criticism, then I feel good. lol
And I will certainly join anyone in hoping someone goes further with more changes and ideas past this “safe” starting place. It’s not that I like this movie better than the others, just that there’s not a lot of wiggle room to finesse without taking it to territory I’m not big on. I still hope to do a ‘Rey Nobody’ edit once the world can see Dominic’s work on that front.

On my way home from work now… hope to watch the workprint soon. I’m a pretty big Canon guy (never experienced Legends material other than Kotor and Force Unleashed) and that’s one of the main reasons I love Hal’s edits is that you can just essentially put these films in place of the original with very few continuity issues. Everything that has been done in this forum has fixed pretty much all of my gripes with the film, other than having deleted scenes… it really goes to show the talent of you all but also with slight modifications, tiny scene replacements and VFX work could have saved this movie for alot of people

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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I liked the added palpatine dialogue at the start and I really liked how you moved the chess game to the end and Rey’s emotions “skywalker” line. It think that really works in your cut.

I was surprised you didn’t add a score to the duel?

I HATE how Finn is such a sadist, klaud is useless and how Poe says sorry to Chewie, so I made around 50 more cuts just in the first 15 minutes than you did to fix these.

Are you adding a Coruscant scene anywhere? Other than the new end clip.

@kewlfish while I totally agree with you on this point when it comes to most of the other movies, I feel TROS and TLJ needed some heady handed reworking to put right. If only we had delete TROS scenes but saying that I think every one has done a Stirling job at recreating amazing new ones. 😃

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Movies Remastered said:

I liked the added palpatine dialogue at the start and I really liked how you moved the chess game to the end and Rey’s emotions “skywalker” line. It think that really works in your cut.

I was surprised you didn’t add a score to the duel?

I HATE how Finn is such a sadist, klaud is useless and how Poe says sorry to Chewie, so I made around 50 more cuts just in the first 15 minutes than you did to fix these.

Are you adding a Coruscant scene anywhere? Other than the new end clip.

@kewlfish while I totally agree with you on this point when it comes to most of the other movies, I feel TROS and TLJ needed some heady handed reworking to put right. If only we had delete TROS scenes but saying that I think every one has done a Stirling job at recreating amazing new ones. 😃

Of course, I also really enjoy watching drastic edits too, just to see what’s possible… more Star Wars is always 👌. Look forward to seeing everybody’s edits tbh

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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I’m still planning to score the DSII Duel and include it in an alternate audio track.

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RIP, I cut got from latest fleet scene lol.
I don’t care as long as I get to see this finished edit.

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Well, what snooker did, anyway, mostly.

Sorry, Cinefy! You should be in there still, even if some reshuffling and additional voices means some aren’t really clear now.

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  • Are you planning to include DominicCobb’s idea for restructuring the moment with Kylo and the helmet vision?
  • Could you cut Rey’s reply “It’s an excellent name?”
  • For the desert chase sequence you may consider cutting “They fly now!”. It’s a fun exchange but not very credible in-universe.
  • I agree with what others said about cutting the moment the TIE cockpit explodes.
  • Restructuring the reveal of Chewie’s survival is a good idea but the actual scene where Chewie appears feels too short and inconsequential without the scene that leads up to it.
  • Do you still plan to add new music to the Endor duel?
  • Will you change “Luke and Leia” music from the Lando and Jannah talk?
  • The new epilogue and ending shot are just wonderful.
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Yes, I’m absolutely going to use Dominic’s two flashback scenes. They just aren’t ready yet.

Hadn’t thought of it, but if “excellent name” can be seamlessly trimmed that’d be all right.

“They fly now” has now been cut. (“They cut ‘They fly now’ now!” “They cut ‘They fly now’ now?” “They cut ‘They fly now’ now.”)

I’ve cut the TIE explosion, though it still rolls away like a meatball on a sunshiney day.

Even though I put some work into getting the audio right, I agree that the Hux Chewie scene might be better omitted. Man, ideally we’d be able to put the deleted Kylo and Chewie scene there.

I’m planning to use whatever added score for the DSII Duel is deemed best, as an alternate audio track.

I don’t plan to remove the Luke and Leia music from the Lando and Jannah scene. To me it telegraphs a potential family connection, or at least a spiritual family bond as they each fill the gap left by the other’s missing parent or child. It’s a leitmotif way of implying that Lando’s not just being a dirty old man. I dunno, I can see how it feels off, but I get what it’s going for.

Yeah, the ending is real nice. 😃

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DZ-330 said:

I think this might have gotten lost in the thread but does anyone else have any feedback on cutting the Finn scenes from Rey and Kylo’s duel and have it not cut away except for the Leia moment.

I can take a look at that and see how it plays.

JEDIT: There’s a few points that would either be awkward cuts it having to cut out a fair bit of the duel. I’ll probably leave Finn there, just with one or two fewer exclamations if “RAAAAAYYYY”.

And I can’t even remember, did anyone ever find a non-soundtrack version of Duel if the Fates that sounded like a good fit for TROS?

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Hal 9000 said:

DZ-330 said:

I think this might have gotten lost in the thread but does anyone else have any feedback on cutting the Finn scenes from Rey and Kylo’s duel and have it not cut away except for the Leia moment.

I can take a look at that and see how it plays.

JEDIT: There’s a few points that would either be awkward cuts it having to cut out a fair bit of the duel. I’ll probably leave Finn there, just with one or two fewer exclamations if “RAAAAAYYYY”.

And I can’t even remember, did anyone ever find a non-soundtrack version of Duel if the Fates that sounded like a good fit for TROS?

The edit Dominic did with the this version of the Duel of the Fates on the DSII is my favorite so far. If it can be incorporated into the final release would be fantastic.

https://vimeo.com/414119429

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Hal 9000 said:

JEDIT: There’s a few points that would either be awkward cuts it having to cut out a fair bit of the duel. I’ll probably leave Finn there, just with one or two fewer exclamations if “RAAAAAYYYY”.

I would at least try to remove the two shots where he screams “REYYYYYYY!” and Rey force pushes him and them him getting up.

If you could cut those two shots we would see Finn trying to go to her and saying “I can’t leave her!”.

JEDIT: Finn is on the ground in the shot of Kylo jumping. I guess just see if “REYYYYY!” can go lol

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Fair enough.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback so far. Good stuff. Hopefully it won’t be too long before there can be a more complete workprint, with a crawl and Mustafar especially.

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This edit was exactly what I was hoping for with the emphasis being to tighten the original films story arch like Hals previous edits of the sequal trilogy without going too far out there which other edits can do using this as a template. By far the best two changes being the end battle with the emperor & the Exegol ship battle…

All fighters reporting in “That’s not a navy, sir. It’s just… people” 😁👌

Possible Changes/Addition Ideas:

Mustafar

  • 00:03:10 - Palpatines “find me” line to Kylo
    Sounds a bit clean possibly give his voice some dream like fx, maybe adding an echoing effect ?

Beginning Chase

  • Remove Klaud scenes
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Make Boolio speak Alien & adding subtitles
    Although Mark Hamill voiced him the scene would feel alot better to have the charactor subed.

Resistance Base

  • Remove light speed skip talk from 00:13:41 to 00:13:51

Passana

  • Remove “they fly now!”
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44

  • 00:39:31 - Rey & Kylo Force Pulling Ship
    I find it really odd how close they both are to each other yet Kylo instead of just walker over to Rey just stands there using the force then watches as they run off. Removing 00:39:31 to 00:39:33 and slight cropping of Ren @ 00:37:47 & 00:39:55 we are left thinking theres some distance between Rey & Ren.
    Too Close

Kijimi

  • 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
    Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.

Exegol

  • 01:50:04 - Dyad Exposition Talk
    Having Palpatine explaining more exposition at this point does cheapen the scene more so if it was possible to just have him simply realising theres a mysterious force between Rey & Ren without touting the dyad exposition it would add more by saying less. Also maybe remove talk elsewhere about force Dyad.

  • 01:57:12 - Have the force ghosts disappear AFTER Palpatine explodes @ 01:57:17

Theres one other final big change which I feel would make a big diference involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben but I’ll try and show it rather then explain it here via a mock up I’ll do to better explain.
Also cutting Chewies original alive reveal does kind of speed up on screen an already fast pasted film.

Even if these ideas are ignored I still think the edits core changes are already good as is.
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Thanks, Muffy. I’ll look forward to your mockup.

I won’t comment on everything, but I’ll try most of those.

Is there anything worth altering about Boolio’s lines if subtitling him? “Holy hell, I heard Palpatine returned somehow. I had to search everywhere to find this SATA cable.”

Hmm, removing the dyad exposition may make it feel even more weird. “The power of love has healed my cold heart. Healed it… FOR EVIL.”

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DZ-330 said:

DSII Duel using music from Sammuel Kim. Actually seems to fit pretty well:

https://vimeo.com/429842808
PW: fanedit

That fight is not worthy of Duel of the fates feels very out of place, just gonna be honest.

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Hal 9000 said:

Is there anything worth altering about Boolio’s lines if subtitling him? “Holy hell, I heard Palpatine returned somehow. I had to search everywhere to find this SATA cable.”

🤣 too true, but it might be worth a good think about adding some worth while lines at that point.

Hmm, removing the dyad exposition may make it feel even more weird. “The power of love has healed my cold heart. Healed it… FOR EVIL.”

I always just took it as a mystic force thing which simply gave them those abilities without labeling specific force details, but I know that kind of simplicity is not to everyones way of thinking about StarWars.
We’re far from the simpler times when the force could be explaned as an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

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Ep. VI - Return of The Jedi OTD83 (OohTeeDee Edit) * Ep. VII - The Force Awakens Restructured (Hal 9000 Edit)
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