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Force sensitivity is an inherited trait.

So of the people with the greatest potential to become Jedi, most would be the offspring of Jedi... except that Jedi are forbidden to marry, and presumably to reproduce.

Do the Jedi want to limit the power of future generations of the Jedi order?  Why do they limit their own growth this way?

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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cap said:

Force sensitivity is an inherited trait.

So of the people with the greatest potential to become Jedi, most would be the offspring of Jedi... except that Jedi are forbidden to marry, and presumably to reproduce.

Do the Jedi want to limit the power of future generations of the Jedi order?  Why do they limit their own growth this way?

Perhaps yes, the Jedi might want to limit the power of future generations of Jedi. Perhaps their prohibition on marriage is only partly out of a desire to avoid attachment. Perhaps it's also a willful limit on the birth of a caste of superpowered demigods, when the Order's desire is to preserve the peace and serve the Republic.

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Davnes007 said:

Just because you can't marry, doesn't mean you can't be with women.

True enough.  I imagine the Jedi mind trick makes it pretty easy to get laid.

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. And getting laid.  Never for attack.”

Another thought: do Jedi typically serve until they’re old geezers like Yoda, or do most of them at some point retire, marry, and live as ordinary citizens?  This isn’t addressed in the films, but I imagine it is in the EU.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Davnes007 said:

Just because you can't marry, doesn't mean you can't be with women.

While this is indeed true, there are a large number of female Jedi as well, and "being with a woman," while fun for all, is not at all relevant to babymaking.  Just thought I'd point out your obviously sexist use of language.  =P

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cap said:

Another thought: do Jedi typically serve until they’re old geezers like Yoda, or do most of them at some point retire, marry, and live as ordinary citizens?  This isn’t addressed in the films, but I imagine it is in the EU.

 I imagine that being a Jedi is a calling, not a job you retire from.

I'd like to think old Jedi go off to be hermits and wisemen like Yoda, hanging up their sabers, drinking tea and communing with the Force.

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TheBoost said:

I imagine that being a Jedi is a calling, not a job you retire from.

Apparently you’re right.  According to the Dooku article on Wookieepedia, 

Dooku's abrupt departure surprised and disturbed the Jedi Order. As a Jedi Master who had voluntarily resigned his commission, Dooku became part of the group later known as the Lost Twenty. In over two thousand years, only nineteen other Jedi Masters had walked away from the Order.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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cap said:

Force sensitivity is an inherited trait.

So of the people with the greatest potential to become Jedi, most would be the offspring of Jedi... except that Jedi are forbidden to marry, and presumably to reproduce.

Do the Jedi want to limit the power of future generations of the Jedi order?  Why do they limit their own growth this way?

 People in the prequelverse are dumb. That's all there is to it.

And btw, back some years ago Lucas said the Jedi are allowed to have sex.

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Falling in love is a no-no, but cheap one night stands with hot alien chicks is okay? Wow!

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I think that's about it. Emotional attachment is an evil, you know. We got that message loud and clear in ROTS, when Annie went evil and killed kids all because he was in love with Padme and thus wanted to save her. Attachment leads to the dark side. Love is evil and makes you kill kiddies.

Wtf has happened to Star Wars?

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SilverWook said:

Falling in love is a no-no, but cheap one night stands with hot alien chicks is okay? Wow!

The “no attachments” rule also implies that, while getting the hot alien chick pregnant is okay, sticking around and caring for the resulting child is a no-no.

What’s up with all those book burners getting all bent out of shape over Harry Potter but not this sick shit from Lucas?

I can’t wait ’til Adywan gets to the prequels.  He’ll give us six hours of nails scraping on a chalkboard, and it will rightfully be hailed as a huge improvement.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications. Otherwise you might get paedophile jedi knights preying on the padawans/younglings and Yoda trying to cover up the scandal.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I think that's about it. Emotional attachment is an evil, you know. We got that message loud and clear in ROTS, when Annie went evil and killed kids all because he was in love with Padme and thus wanted to save her. Attachment leads to the dark side. Love is evil and makes you kill kiddies.

Wtf has happened to Star Wars?

I think it was clear that Anakin's love of Padme was a bit selfish for a Jedi, he NEEDED her to function (I can't live without her), that's why he was willing to seek Palpy's help. Jedi aren't intended to be something that everyone should emulate, the are an elite force deeply committed to providing a certain service. Attachment is forbidden because Jedi must be able to put all of their passion into service (i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one). Remember that unconditional love is ok, Jedi must channel all of their love into the force, i.e. into all living things, equally. They are intended to be entirely selfless beings, with no "person" persay. Lucas is not saying romantic love is bad, he is saying it is bad for a Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't just getting to use the force and smack people around with a saber you know. This is just my interpretation. I'm not trying to defend the prequels, just saying I think this is the idea and I think it would have worked out well if Lucas had communicated it better.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications. Otherwise you might get paedophile jedi knights preying on the padawans/younglings and Yoda trying to cover up the scandal.

I don't think Jedi should have sex because, again, they are supposed to be totally selfless, they ARE the light side of the force, sex is a loving bond between two people, Jedi are supposed to equally distribute their love to all life through the force. Again, my interpretation.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications.

Is that what they teach the padawans?  “It’s okay and perfectly normal to have sex, but if the birth control fails you’re in BIG FUCKING TROUBLE!”  Please forgive the pun.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Octorox said:

I don't think Jedi should have sex because, again, they are supposed to be totally selfless, they ARE the light side of the force, sex is a loving bond between two people, Jedi are supposed to equally distribute their love to all life through the force. Again, my interpretation.

It’s not a completely unreasonable position.  Jor-El said something similar to Superman.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Octorox said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I think that's about it. Emotional attachment is an evil, you know. We got that message loud and clear in ROTS, when Annie went evil and killed kids all because he was in love with Padme and thus wanted to save her. Attachment leads to the dark side. Love is evil and makes you kill kiddies.

Wtf has happened to Star Wars?

I think it was clear that Anakin's love of Padme was a bit selfish for a Jedi, he NEEDED her to function (I can't live without her), that's why he was willing to seek Palpy's help. Jedi aren't intended to be something that everyone should emulate, the are an elite force deeply committed to providing a certain service. Attachment is forbidden because Jedi must be able to put all of their passion into service (i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one). Remember that unconditional love is ok, Jedi must channel all of their love into the force, i.e. into all living things, equally. They are intended to be entirely selfless beings, with no "person" persay. Lucas is not saying romantic love is bad, he is saying it is bad for a Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't just getting to use the force and smack people around with a saber you know. This is just my interpretation. I'm not trying to defend the prequels, just saying I think this is the idea and I think it would have worked out well if Lucas had communicated it better.

Whatever way you look at it, ROTS beats you over the head with a big love-is-bad message. Yoda doesn't condemn attachment just for Jedi. He condemns it outright. And anybody who loved somebody might be willing to seek questionable help if that was the only way to save them. I do't think it's necessarily the mark of an unhealthy love. As for jedi not being intended to be something everyone should emulate, unfortunately the films aren't that clear about that and many people could get the idea the jedi are something to emulate. I'm not sure what Lucas's intention is there, but I think it's quite possible he might view the jedi as ideals to be emulated. I think the distinction between selfish and unselfish love, while possibly important to Lucas, doesn't work as regards the film's message. ROTS does come across as condemning romantic love in general.

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Octorox said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications. Otherwise you might get paedophile jedi knights preying on the padawans/younglings and Yoda trying to cover up the scandal.

I don't think Jedi should have sex because, again, they are supposed to be totally selfless, they ARE the light side of the force, sex is a loving bond between two people, Jedi are supposed to equally distribute their love to all life through the force. Again, my interpretation.

I think it's seriously unhealthy to ban people from having sex. Not to mention unnatural.

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About Lucas’s “sex is allowed but love is forbidden” idea, another thing I should mention, in the same spirit as Yoda’s “fear leads to anger leads to hate leads to suffering” teaching, is that sex can lead to love.  Many are the happy couples whose relationship began as something purely sexual.

My wife and I are one such couple.  I first got together with her only because I wanted to get laid.  It was about a month after our sexual relationship began that I first told her I loved her — I was the first to say it — and to be honest I didn’t really mean it at the time.  It was quite a long time before we realized that we truly, deeply loved each other and wanted to spend the rest of our lives together.

If love can lead to the Dark Side, then sex must also be regarded as dangerous.  That is, if anything about this were supposed to make sense.  I suppose that in Lucas’s mind it does somehow make sense, but if so, he’s completely out of touch with reality.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:

Octorox said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications. Otherwise you might get paedophile jedi knights preying on the padawans/younglings and Yoda trying to cover up the scandal.

I don't think Jedi should have sex because, again, they are supposed to be totally selfless, they ARE the light side of the force, sex is a loving bond between two people, Jedi are supposed to equally distribute their love to all life through the force. Again, my interpretation.

I think it's seriously unhealthy to ban people from having sex. Not to mention unnatural.

The Jedi way of life could be considered unnatural. Aren't priests not supposed to have sex either? (i.e. they can't get married and sex before marriage is supposedly bad. Sorry I know nothing about organized religion) I always saw the Jedi as religious figures, like Priests or Monks, that lead a very specific lifestyle not everyone is cut out for.

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Octorox said:

I always saw the Jedi as religious figures, like Priests or Monks, that lead a very specific lifestyle not everyone is cut out for.

And, of course, kids are locked into this lifestyle when they are far too young to make such decisions for themselves.  Anakin, at nine years old, was considered “too old” to enter the lifestyle.

The more I think about it, the more Anakin’s “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!” makes sense.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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cap said:

Octorox said:

I always saw the Jedi as religious figures, like Priests or Monks, that lead a very specific lifestyle not everyone is cut out for.

And, of course, kids are locked into this lifestyle when they are far too young to make such decisions for themselves.  Anakin, at nine years old, was considered “too old” to enter the lifestyle.

The more I think about it, the more Anakin’s “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!” makes sense.

wow, never thought about that. But I can see how it might be easier if it's all you've ever known

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I just think of Luke and Mara Jade. If that works, so can anything else. I'm very tired of all the prequel "attachment/possession" nonsense.

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I've always thought of force sensitivity as something anyone can develop with training, but some are naturally stronger than others (and this strength is hereditary).

The ban on marriage is a prequel idea; I don't really pay much attention to that.

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Octorox said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Octorox said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't think the jedi are supposed to get women pregnant. I think in some EU thing some jedi got disciplined by the order for getting a woman pregnant. 

I'm still glad he let them have sex, despite the unpleasant implications. Otherwise you might get paedophile jedi knights preying on the padawans/younglings and Yoda trying to cover up the scandal.

I don't think Jedi should have sex because, again, they are supposed to be totally selfless, they ARE the light side of the force, sex is a loving bond between two people, Jedi are supposed to equally distribute their love to all life through the force. Again, my interpretation.

I think it's seriously unhealthy to ban people from having sex. Not to mention unnatural.

The Jedi way of life could be considered unnatural. Aren't priests not supposed to have sex either? (i.e. they can't get married and sex before marriage is supposedly bad. Sorry I know nothing about organized religion) I always saw the Jedi as religious figures, like Priests or Monks, that lead a very specific lifestyle not everyone is cut out for.

I disagree with the priest practice too. I think keeping priests celibate has done a lot of harm to the catholic church. I don't think the jedi, who are presented as if kids should look up to them, should be presented doing anything like that, whether no sex or just no relationships. It's a damaging message to promote.  

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I've always thought of force sensitivity as something anyone can develop with training, but some are naturally stronger than others (and this strength is hereditary).

The ban on marriage is a prequel idea; I don't really pay much attention to that.

I think early on force sensitivity was treated as something anyone could develop, but I think for a long while the idea has been that some people are born as force sensitives and those who are not just don't have it.