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(The Force Awakens) The Legacy of Captain Han Solo | A Legends Cut [Workprint Released] — Page 3

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I think DigModification’s Heir to the Force edit simply has it happen as a result of the Base being destroyed.

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Delpheas said:

I think DigModification’s Heir to the Force edit simply has it happen as a result of the Base being destroyed.

And can you go into a little more detail regarding the main reasons this scene is bad enough to be cut? I don’t love it myself, but am currently at a position of not thinking it leaves a viewer with a negative experience by going through it. I’d really take into consideration your thoughts though. Thanks!

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For one, it’s a major way the film apes ANH, but on a more ridiculous scale.
Second, it has no emotional impact. Just adding in the deleted scene of Leia’s messenger being sent there doesn’t do enough to give the audience an emotional anchor. And again, it has no bearing on the later films. The only reference to the NR destruction in TLJ is the crawl and a Hux line toward the beginning. With the NR still intact throughout 8 & 9, the lack of response from allies can be recontexualised by either editing or the viewer as the NR continuing to not help. And the arrival of the fleet over Exogol in RoS could be contextualized as the NR finally sending aid.

And finally, I think the destruction of the NR was a very shallow way that the writers were signaling that they weren’t going to be beholden to Legends material, since the NR plays a not insignificant role in Legends. They then of course still borrowed the concepts of Jacen Solo, a hidden fleet, force clones, and Palpatine’s return… I just really feel like it’s useless and goes nowhere.

Personally I think removing the Super Weapon concept at all, if possible, is ideal. Starkiller would just be a FO base that they assault to rescue Rey and because they might have a chance at killing Ren and Hux. Idk…

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Could I please have a link, sounds really interesting

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Delpheas said:

For one, it’s a major way the film apes ANH, but on a more ridiculous scale.
Second, it has no emotional impact. Just adding in the deleted scene of Leia’s messenger being sent there doesn’t do enough to give the audience an emotional anchor. And again, it has no bearing on the later films. The only reference to the NR destruction in TLJ is the crawl and a Hux line toward the beginning. With the NR still intact throughout 8 & 9, the lack of response from allies can be recontexualised by either editing or the viewer as the NR continuing to not help. And the arrival of the fleet over Exogol in RoS could be contextualized as the NR finally sending aid.

And finally, I think the destruction of the NR was a very shallow way that the writers were signaling that they weren’t going to be beholden to Legends material, since the NR plays a not insignificant role in Legends. They then of course still borrowed the concepts of Jacen Solo, a hidden fleet, force clones, and Palpatine’s return… I just really feel like it’s useless and goes nowhere.

Personally I think removing the Super Weapon concept at all, if possible, is ideal. Starkiller would just be a FO base that they assault to rescue Rey and because they might have a chance at killing Ren and Hux. Idk…

Alright, I’ve been going over this the last couple days and looking at not only this film, but the trilogy as a whole with and without this scene. I think I’m going to keep it in, and here’s why.

Based on my plan for Episode 9, I want the galaxy to end in a state of total reset. No Jedi, no Sith, a gap and void for something new to rise. With the destruction of the NR, I think that sets up a more broken galaxy that is ready to rest and recover. It adds more desperation to the Jedi v Sith conflict and when it ends, there’s hope for something new, something to break the cycle of these force wars.

To address your concerns:

  1. Maybe if you only look at the movies Starkiller firing seems to try and unnecessarily one-up ANH, but in the context of Legends stories as a whole it doesn’t even need to be compared. It makes sense as a natural evolution of the Sith to move up to something of a grander scale.

  2. True, they emotional impact of a whole system being destroyed isn’t very present, but I wouldn’t say the movie needed that to be felt by our protagonists either. The main conflict is with Rey, Kylo, and Han reflecting the light v dark conflict, and this destruction paralleled with the death of Han goes along the thematic lines of the dark securing a victory.

  3. To be honest, I doubt the writers even thought of it that deeply. I don’t think they were smart enough try and intentionally make a statement about the NR of Legends through Starkiller base. Abrams didn’t even know who Darth Plageuis was after TFA so I doubt he knew much about post-RotJ novels. I don’t see it as necessarily disrespectful to Legends, more of just an alternate reality.

(The Force Awakens) The Legacy of Captain Han Solo | A Legends Cut

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Can I get a link? Sounds really interesting!

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Given the difference in the OT heroes’ children, does this mean it’s not directly Legends-compatible?

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Given the difference in the OT heroes’ children, does this mean it’s not directly Legends-compatible?

I’m sure you can find some inconsistencies between the two, but I built my trilogy to work in line with The Crucible Canon https://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-crucible-canon-merging-eu-and-new-canon-as-smoothly-as-possible.50053287/ . In this theory, the Legends children can still exist. In fact, I know of another fan editor who is currently filming scenes with a Jaina Solo to include in TLJ that I will borrow from for my final version.

(The Force Awakens) The Legacy of Captain Han Solo | A Legends Cut

(The Last Jedi) The Legacy of Grand Master Luke Skywalker | A Legends Cut

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