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Main suspects in massive plane-bombing plot arrested

August 10, 2006

LONDON — British authorities said Thursday they thwarted a terrorist plot to simultaneously blow up several aircraft heading to the U.S. using explosives smuggled in hand luggage, averting what police described as 'mass murder on an
unimaginable scale.'

Police arrested 21 people, saying they were confident they captured the main suspects in what U.S. officials said had the earmarks of an al-Qaida plot.
Officials raised security to its highest level in Britain — suggesting a terrorist attack might be imminent — and banned carry-on luggage on all flights. Huge crowds backed up at security barriers at London’s Heathrow airport as officials searching for explosives barred nearly every form of liquid outside of baby formula.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the terrorists planned to use liquid explosives disguised as beverages and other common products and set them off with detonators disguised as electronic devices.

The extreme measures at a major international aviation hub sent ripples throughout the world. Heathrow was closed to most flights from Europe, and British Airways canceled all its flights between the airport and points in Britain, Europe and Libya. Numerous flights from U.S. cities to Britain were canceled.

Washington raised its threat alert to its highest level for commercial flights from Britain to the United States amid fears the plot had not been completely crushed.

The alert for all flights coming or going from the United States was also raised slightly.

Two U.S. counterterrorism officials said the terrorists had targeted United Airlines, American Airlines and Continental Airlines. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

A U.S. intelligence official said the plotters had hoped to target flights to major airports in New York, Washington and California.

British Home Secretary John Reid said the 21 people were arrested in London, its suburbs and Birmingham following a lengthy investigation, including the alleged “main players” in the plot. Searches continued in a number of locations.

The British Broadcasting Corp. said police were evacuating homes in High Wycombe, a town 30 miles northwest of London, near one of the houses being searched. Police refused to confirm the report or to discuss any details of the searches.

The suspects were “homegrown,” though it was not immediately clear if they were all British citizens, said a police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case. Police were working closely with the South Asian community, the official said.

The official said the plotters intended to simultaneously target multiple planes bound for the United States.

“We think this was an extraordinarily serious plot and we are confident that we’ve prevented an attempt to commit mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson said.

Prime Minister Tony Blair, vacationing in the Caribbean, briefed President Bush on the situation overnight. Blair issued a statement praising the cooperation between the two countries, saying it “underlines the threat we face and our determination to counter it.”

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Bush also had been briefed by his aides while at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, where he has been on vacation.

“We do believe the plot involved flights from the U.K. to the U.S. and was a direct threat to the United States,” Snow said.
While Snow called the plot a serious threat, he assured Americans that “it is safe to travel.”

Chertoff, the homeland security chief, said the plot had the hallmarks of an operation planned by al-Qaida, the terrorist group behind the Sept. 11 attack on the United States.

“It was sophisticated, it had a lot of members and it was international in scope. It was in some respects suggestive of an al-Qaida plot,” Chertoff said, but he cautioned it was too early in the investigation to reach any conclusions.

It is the first time the red alert level in the Homeland Security warning system has been invoked, although there have been brief periods in the past when the orange level was applied. Homeland Security defines the red alert as designating a “severe risk of terrorist attacks.”

“We believe that these arrests (in London) have significantly disrupted the threat, but we cannot be sure that the threat has been entirely eliminated or the plot completely thwarted,” Chertoff said.

He added, however, there was no indication of current plots within the United States.
Chertoff said the plotters were in the final stages of planning. “We were really getting quite close to the execution phase,” he said, adding that it was unclear if the plot was linked to the upcoming fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said authorities believe dozens of people — possibly as many as 50 — were involved in the plot. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

The plan involved airline passengers hiding masked explosives in carry-on luggage, the official said. “They were not yet sitting on an airplane,” but were very close to traveling, the official said, calling the plot “the real deal.”

Passengers in Britain faced delays as tighter security was hastily enforced at the country’s airports and additional measures were put in place for all flights. Laptop computers, mobile phones, iPods, and remote controls were among the items banned from being carried on board.
Liquids, such as hair care products, were also barred on flights in both Britain and the U.S.

In the mid-1990s, officials foiled a plan by terrorist mastermind Ramzi Youssef to blow up 12 Western jetliners simultaneously over the Pacific. The alleged plot involved improvised bombs using liquid hidden in contact lens solution containers.
Huge lines formed at ticket counters and behind security barriers at Heathrow and other airports in Britain.

Ed Lappen, 55, a businessman from Boston, who was traveling with his wife and daughter to Russia, found himself unable to travel further. “We’re safe, we’re OK,” he said at Heathrow. “Now my daughter is going to get a shopping trip in London.”

Hannah Pillinger, 24, seemed less concerned by the announcement. “Eight hours without an iPod, that’s the most inconvenient thing,” she said, waiting at the Manchester airport.

Most European carriers canceled flights to Heathrow because of the massive delays created after authorities enforced strict new regulations banning most hand baggage.

Tony Douglas, Heathrow’s managing director, said the airport hoped to resume normal operations Friday, but passengers would still face delays and a ban on cabin baggage “for the foreseeable future.”

“At this point in time it is unclear how long these restrictions will remain in place,” he said.

Security also was stepped up at train stations serving airports across Britain, said British Transport Police spokeswoman Jan O’Neill. At London’s Victoria Station, police patrolled platforms with bomb-sniffing dogs as passengers boarded trains carrying clear plastic bags.

Margaret Gavin, 67, waiting to board a train, said she wasn’t scared. “Why should I change my life because some idiots want to blow something up?” she said.

Heathrow’s block on incoming traffic applied to flights of three hours or less, affecting most of the incoming traffic from Europe, an airport spokesman said on condition of anonymity in line with airport policy.

Officials at Frankfurt’s airport, Europe’s second-busiest, Schiphol in Amsterdam and Charles De Gaulle in Paris said Heathrow-bound planes could instead land at their airports if they needed to.

London’s Heathrow airport was the departure point for a devastating terrorist attack on a Pan Am airplane on Dec. 21, 1988. The blast over Lockerbie, Scotland, killed all 259 people aboard Pan Am Flight 103 and 11 people on the ground.
The explosive was hidden in a portable radio secreted in checked baggage.

Associated Press writers Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington and Matt Moore in Frankfurt, Germany, contributed to this report.


got this from http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060810/NEWS99/60810019 using google news

crasy eh any thoughts. pretty smart way to take down a plane, but its simply horrible that people would even want to do that. dont they understand all they are doing by making and planning these assults is hurting there own cause.
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Normally I feel pretty safe flying long-haul UK to USA or vice versa. I always figured if a plane was going to be hijacked or blown up it would be a short distance or domestic flight. I guess that's all changed now.

On the 1st anniversay of the London Bombings (July 7) I read an interview with the chief of police saying they have foiled a number of attacks in the year since the bombings without the public knowing. It looks like theys topped this one just in time. I think we have to accept that's it's only a matter of time before one slips under the radar...

War does not make one great.

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Blah Blah Blah, they're just trying to increase the sales of toothpaste.

But seriously, one of the reasons they found out about this plot, was when one of the conspirators contacted an aquaintance in Canada who then tipped off the British police. Hope that individual gets a big reward.

I wonder if they liquid explosive they we're attempting to make was like the stuff in Legal Weapon 3? Or we're they looking to make a series of smaller explosions which would affect cabin pressure, instead of one big one which would ignite the fuel?

Personally, i dispise the loss of freedoms we are experiencing on public transportation systems. I've refused the police searches instead of getting on the New York subway system (luckily i only have a 15 block walk). It's just a drag, i'm of the opinion that these "terrorist" like attacks will be thwarted by human intelligence not police searches. but i don't know how to get others to agree to that opinion....
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Yeah, Its been on the news here all day, it seems like it was definatly homegrown guys aged 17 - 35 British born of Pakistani origin with a couple of muslim converts with English sounding names mainly from East London, and a couple from Birmingham, the police think they have found a "matyrdom" video at one of the houses and they allegidley planning a practice run in a couple of days time, we will have to see if it has an Al-Qeada connection though I believe there have been arrests in Pakistan......
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Good job, British police dudes.
Apparently they foil 10 or so a year without us even knowing.

War does not make one great.

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Sometimes I think we'd be better off not knowing, but in this case it would be hard to explain why airports are suddenly banning all liquids but baby formula.

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yeah i donno, i agree with None, no amount of checks or what not are gonna thwart these plans, only intel. its gonna suck no being able to take drinks on a plane now, it almost seems like they are winning with all these new rules. like comon another one they were talking about was sun screen. you cant even take that on a plane, how many vacationing familys go and keep sun screen in there bags. i donno i find it a discrace, its almost like the plot had been successful, what will all these new percosions.
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I totally agree. I've been on my fair share of UK to USA flights and 8 to 10 hours with no magazines, no ipod etc will be bloody awful. Drink isn't a problem because that's free on the long haul flights, but the food is atrocious so I always pack some sandwiches and other snacks.

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With the scale and intricacy of this particular plot, I agree that simple security checks are not good enough and that intel is essential.

However, in the case of an attack like those on the London subway or possibly the 3/11 Madrid bombing, I believe security checks would have been able to stop or at least reduce the damage done.
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My hearfelt thanks go out to all involved in the foiling of the attack. Countless lives saved. WAY TO GO BRITS!!!!!!


As for the searches and the extra security and banning of things on airplanes. I think they are a necessary evil. But I do think there has to be a limit. How far with the security go in the future? Will people be forced to fly naked and strapped to their seats? How far is it justifiable to go?
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The most laughable part of the liquid ban, were all the trash cans they made everyone dump the stuff into. If these liquids (when mixed) we're being thrown into garbage cans, wouldn't one of them have exploded by now... More likely they enforced the ban jus to get the message out. But there are times when clearer heads think rationally and said this type of ban is stupid and counter productive.

But with all the limits on airplanes, maybe this will force the airlines to provide more space per passenger. The public should demand it. They've taken away your elbow space for years, now they've taken your computers, magazine, sustenance of life (water) and.... well most people will just deal...

I disagree with Starkiller, there's no way to adequately individually search everyone in a train system without making the average trip 2-3 times as long. There's going to be bad eggs, and they'll do some damage, but is it worth wasting thousands of people's hours of time to catch a fraction of those crazies. If searching on a train system is ok, why is that same searching technique not used on all the cars on bridges. There's 10 bridges into Manhattan, none of them have any searching going down. More bomb material can be in a car then on a person. And there's just as many people going over those public transportation infrastructure, why aren't the car drivers getting the same "protection" as the street walkers?
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careful now, with the way things are going right now and the way the internet is being watched you might open your door to an FBI agent tomorrow with that last comment you made. i can think of hundreds of ways that terroris can still get things onto planes but i will never post them one cause i dont want some guy showing up at my door and arresting me without charge. and i dont want to give ideas to those terrorists themselves. but yeah in all seriousness i think its stupid that they aregoing so far as to ban liquids on planes. like thats just getting a little silly in my mind. next you cant wear certain types of clothing cause the colour might cause a malfunction in a light that causes the plane to go down.
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Who were the people aprehended on that operation? Are they from any particular group?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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There have been 24 people arrested in England, and another 7 in Pakistan (5 Pakistanis and two Britons). Age range from 17 to 35. Two woman (one with a 6th month old child the other pregnant). One of the arrested had converted to Islam. The rest I guess were already Islamic practitioners. One person who was arrested has been released from custody. It also seems the arrests have expanded to Italy where another 40 individuals have been alleged to be part of a similar attack.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/news/2006/082.htm
That's the press release from the Bank of England which froze the assets of the arrested individuals. Their names are in the pdf.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Who were the people aprehended on that operation? Are they from any particular group?



The Suspects and D.O.B and where they are from

They are all British Born muslims mainly of Pakistani origin from London & Birmingham, they think it may have something to do with Al-Qeada as they were arrests in Pakistan.
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It's really kind of frightening. Their minds are frazzled by extremeist Islam even living in one of the greatest and freest countries on the planet. In this light, is it any wonder where extremist Islam is *ALL* that gets preached, tend to be third world countries? Worse of all, I can't shake the sense that 'it could happen here' even in a place as un-multicultural as East TN...

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you know i always pride myself to try to understand why someone might go so far as these terrorist have to do so much damage. for those that are from the Middle east i can understand there anger, but i have no idea where, or how these home grown terrorists think, how they got so corrupted.
one thought might be at the about of racisium that used to exist(i donno if its still there) towards the pakistan ethnic community, from people like skin heads and what not. but the hate towards the states i have no idea.
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It seems that too often people try to look at these things from too secular of a view point. If you do not believe in God that is just fine, but these people do. That is the point. It isn't about past events that make them willing to do these things. They believe that this life is temporary, and that if they die to please Allah then they have their one-way ticket to heaven in their pockets. Let us look back a few years to an incident that lead to America's entry into WWII. Remember the Japanese Kamikaze fighters? They also had no regard for their own lives. Why? Because the Emperor claimed to be god and they believed they would be greatly rewarded in the next life for their sacrifice in this life. You don't get atheists to commit suicide in this manner, when you believe this life is all there is, then you don't willingly throw it away to achieve an ends you won't be part of. That is why we never had this problem with the Communists. Remember MAD? Mutual Assured Destruction. They had nuclear weapons aimed at the U.S. and the U.S. had nuclear weapons aimed at them, the idea of MAD was they fired on the U.S. the U.S. would fire back on them assuring the mutual destruction of both parties. Therefore it would not have benefited either party to fire on the other. You know what is scary? MAD doesn't work with these new threats. You can be sure that if they obtain nuclear weapons they are going to use them regardless of the knowledge that the U.S. may also use them. Because in their minds, this life isn't the end. It is easy to understand why the home grown terrorists do what they do. They too are Muslims and have the same beliefs. If they can be taught to believe that this life is not the end and that they will be given great rewards for their sacrifices, then there is no limit to what they might do.

Please don't think I am anti-Muslim or anything. I don't know if we have any Muslims in these forums or not, I have nothing against them. I have good friends who are Muslims and they are completely against all these attacks. I am not trying to stereotype and make them all out to be people willing to strap dynamite on their chests.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Good points C3PX.

But to not even QUESTION the idea that commiting suicide while killing others will get them a ticket to heaven? It just boggles my mind how people with access to all the ideas and freedoms of the modern world could be so convinced of the jihadist beliefs.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
It seems that too often people try to look at these things from too secular of a view point. If you do not believe in God that is just fine, but these people do. That is the point. It isn't about past events that make them willing to do these things. They believe that this life is temporary, and that if they die to please Allah then they have their one-way ticket to heaven in their pockets. Let us look back a few years to an incident that lead to America's entry into WWII. Remember the Japanese Kamikaze fighters? They also had no regard for their own lives. Why? Because the Emperor claimed to be god and they believed they would be greatly rewarded in the next life for their sacrifice in this life. You don't get atheists to commit suicide in this manner, when you believe this life is all there is, then you don't willingly throw it away to achieve an ends you won't be part of. That is why we never had this problem with the Communists. Remember MAD? Mutual Assured Destruction. They had nuclear weapons aimed at the U.S. and the U.S. had nuclear weapons aimed at them, the idea of MAD was they fired on the U.S. the U.S. would fire back on them assuring the mutual destruction of both parties. Therefore it would not have benefited either party to fire on the other. You know what is scary? MAD doesn't work with these new threats. You can be sure that if they obtain nuclear weapons they are going to use them regardless of the knowledge that the U.S. may also use them. Because in their minds, this life isn't the end. It is easy to understand why the home grown terrorists do what they do. They too are Muslims and have the same beliefs. If they can be taught to believe that this life is not the end and that they will be given great rewards for their sacrifices, then there is no limit to what they might do.

Please don't think I am anti-Muslim or anything. I don't know if we have any Muslims in these forums or not, I have nothing against them. I have good friends who are Muslims and they are completely against all these attacks. I am not trying to stereotype and make them all out to be people willing to strap dynamite on their chests.


hahhaa yeah your right, you know when you know something but you dont realise it when you make a comment thats what happened there, thanks for that. i never made the connection b4.

anyway but yeah see how do they get so brainwashed to begin with, cause that kinda thought is only in one part of islam, infact its liek a subclause in the jehad section of islam if you will. in all other areas islam denounces suicide, not only is it a sin its blasphomy i beleive( i dont know that for a fact, the blasphomy part). not only that i beleive in god and i beleive in the afterlife, however i beleive i can do more good alive then dead, i dont see how these people can go so far to beleive otherwise.

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It also takes a lot of conditioning. I suppose these people really believe that the western world is the ultimate evil. As for the freedom born types? I suppose they must have some problems of their own. All of us have moral values built into us. Even a hardend atheist believes it is wrong to kill, even though he would say we are all merely highly evolved animals. Even if he were to say killing a person isn't much different than killing an animal, you can bet he would feel great remorse if he were to kill someone himself. We are born with it. I was talking to a U.S. Army chaplin (a priest that is deployed with the soilders to be there to pray with them and take confessions or whatever else) some months ago, he had just come back from Iraq. He talked about how the soilders would feel after having killed in battle, and would go to him for help, and how a few of the soilders would get past the point of feeling remorse and that killing would become second nature to them. He said it is very dangerous when they get to this point and that one of the main reasons the U.S. Army employs chaplins is to help keep the soilders from getting to that point. There are other ways people can lose this remorse, there are cases where somebody is born without it, or sometimes they snap under the pressure of tramatic experience, or perhaps from a very tramatic childhood. I agree, in the case of these western born terrorist, there must be more to it than just religious beliefs. Maybe over a long period of time of being taught these things. It is scary to think that somebody born and raised in America or Great Britian, and taught in those school systems, can be brought to the point of not only attempting to killing men, women, and children but attempting to kill hundreds of them at a time.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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11 of the Terrorists got charged today with Conspiricy to murder among other things following this plot, it seems it was a very serious plot with stuff like bomb making equipment, materials and matyrdom videos all being found, there are still more to be charged im sure


List of Charged at the mo
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good now stick them all in a rocket and shoot them into outer space we dont need idiots like that breathing the air of our world.