team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released) — Page 94

This is the first release of this restoration. Some of the scans are in 4k, but most are in 2k. 

Our workflow is 1080p HD, so its too late to change our goal after 4+ years of working on it.

Moving to 4k takes up too many resources with little to no discernible improvements, along with the issue of a tiny number of people that can utilize the format properly. We are targeting a wider general audience that can view this. Finally, almost all the other restorations go up to 720p only, so 1080p is an increase over them.

Later revisions and other projects will take advantage of increased resolutions and other other standards.

HEVC isn't a set standard, so there's little point in using it for the release.

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team_negative1 said:

Moving to 4k takes up too many resources with little to no discernible improvements, along with the issue of a tiny number of people that can utilize the format properly. 

 In addition to this, I would also suggest that it might be a bad idea for the first release of any 4K version of SW to be an unofficial preservation. We are fortunate enough to be on Disney's good side (or at least their not-so-bad side). Despite the limitations of a homemade scan of a release print vs an official 4K scan of the negatives, I just don't think it would be a good idea to beat them to the punch with a 4K release. OOT or otherwise. Especially not before they've made it clear whether or not they're going to actually make an OOT release.

I can figure out they invested time and money on this project, so they don't want someone else to make business with their work. If this is the reason I would totally agree with such a choice; in any case the only thing I can say them is "thank you for your effort". I would be courious about the source, I read in the topic name is taken from a negative, and this is a very good news, I was just wondering about the resolution they scanned at.

Many thanks for those information, while I was Typing I already got the answer to my question in the precious post.

The important information (thank you TN1 for explaining it!) is someone has scanned the negative at 4K, or at least a good part of it. This will guarantee a preservation of them; even if the 1st release (and it's already a very good one) will be 25GB file, having a 4K scan Leaves the door open to a future improvement. What the user towne32 says about Disney part in the story is true, beating them on 4K could be too much. Anyhow the great news is a 4K scan of it does exist safely stored somewhere.

With the right compression, 25GB of space might be all that the final encode really needs.

The newer codecs (AVC, etc) are more efficient than dvd's implementation of mpeg-2. HD is six times the resolution of SD, but only really needs 4-5 times as much space thanks to the improved compression tech. HEVC further improves on this so you only need twice as much space when you jump from HD to 4k.

Right. I mentioned that in my post. I still think they might be bitter about it, but who knows.

I woulnd't trust Disney more than Team Negative about the result of a Blu-ray edition, they have the media and money, but not good people working on Blu-ray production.

Just look at how they are butchering their Disney Classic with use of DNR:

On example could be Aristocats

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=6130587

but also the Sword in the stone blu ray disaster, or many more.

Same shame has happened with other Hollywood studios like Fox with Predator or Patton or also Paramount with Start Trek Movies. When they try to make an old movie look like new ones with the heavy use of DNR they litterally destroy masterpieces.

So I trust more the care of people loving this movie than the ones who only want to make money with it.

None of the restorations have access to the negatives. All the scans are from release prints of varying quality and types.

Disney is not known for taking care of their restorations, so we don't feel like waiting for when and if they ever get around to releasing a version of Star Wars. It will inevitably have many if not serious issues if they were to do it, based on their track record, budgeting, etc.

We have the advantage of several years of experience by professionals in the industry that have been working on it, along with the peer reviews here on the forums.

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The colors and the image quality are spot on. Well done. :-)

The last clip is really great

Nice job.

Loving the grain and the detail

It's beautiful!

May I suggest that if you choose to release it as a 1080p 25gb file, you pay special attention to the encoder settings, and preferably use x264 rather than whatever standard AVC or h.264 implementation, and definitely don't be afraid to ask for help with that step! There are all sorts of encoding wizards prowling the inter webs that would be more than happy to help with the really complicated encoder settings that are necessary to wring every last drop of quality out of the 25gb!

Thanks for your hard work!

Yeah.  Especially with all that grain.

grain is good =)

I like different types of it in my bread.

I prefer whole grain.

Someone make a meme of Gordon Gekko saying "grain is good" please. haha

Darth Lucas said:

Someone make a meme of Gordon Gekko saying "grain is good" please. haha

 http://goo.gl/wToibZ

The last sample looks really great! Thanks for all the wonderful work you've done team!