1) We're still using a camera for these.
2) No color correction on them.
3) We're all interested in what Harmy will do with these. Some of us prefer more detail.
4) Here is the Dolby NR unit for sound.
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5) Another sample:
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-1 stop teasing us ;)
thanks for the update :)
Harmy said:
zeropc said:
at the end it's still a different thing what you see on set and what you see in the finished product.
Well, exactly - and what you're seeing in cinemas, through digital projection, is pretty much what is on what would be considered the equivalent of the o-neg in digital film making, so the fact that something is scanned from the o-neg doesn't mean that you have to get lobster-men and hoe makeup if the restoration is done sensitively.
The difference in this case is that the makeup crews and lighting guys are crafting the 'neg' with digital production in mind, the movies of the 70s were counting on the 35mm print and the generations to get to it to have certain properties.
If you scan the Star Wars neg, the makeup will look overdone and the matte paintings will stand out like dog's balls. This is a lot of the reason the BD needs to be despecialised in the first place.
A restoration from the neg in Star Wars would be quite a different procedure, and you would end up with a film in a way it had never really been seen before. So not really a restoration so much as a recreation. You could recover all the details in the shadows that are on the neg and remap them so that all that detail could be seen. But of course, you are then changing the directorial intent of that scene. For example, those areas may have been dark and relatively featureless to lead the eye to stay focused on the action in the scene that the director wanted you to focus on.
You could of course scan the neg digitally, and then use digital tools to get back to something that looked very much like a 'really good print', maybe a bit sharper and more detailed, but you would effectively be correcting to a print anyway.
This is kind of what Harmy's project would be doing, and there is nothing wrong with that at all, it is just yet another option for people to enjoy the movies they love in a different presentation, and currently still the *only* way to enjoy the original movies on a high definition screen.
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Harmy said:
And what was also left out of the debate so far is that the ultimate release of Star Wars in '77, for which the crew must have been aiming, was not 35mm prints but 70mm prints.
What's to debate? It was definitely the rolls royce with its fantastic magnetic six-track audio and superior projection quality. But Star Wars was a 35mm film, the 70mm prints were blow-ups. The way I understand it - a much coarser image compared to the olden days true 65mm/70mm films. But a brighter, sharper and more steady image compared to regular 35mm showings.
I managed to see ESB in 70mm in '80 without even knowing it until many years after. Damn, how much I want to travel back in time.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
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Well, it is of course a blow up, but it would still retain much more detail than a 35mm print.
A 70mm blow up print is also cropped more as 70mm has a 2.2:1 aspect ratio.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
This might sound obvious to some of us, but it just occurred to me:
The aspect of this most intriguing to me is that, while the DVDs and Blu Rays of these films (my favorites since I was a little kid) leave me cold, watching the trailers, the Puggo versions, and the clips here and in Poita's "Star Wars On Super8" thread is still very exciting.
I don't know if it's because they just look different or if there's something about them looking more "correct" (the way we saw them originally in the theaters), but whatever it is, my inner 7 year old is just unbelievably impatient and excited about these projects.
Team Negative's latest film samples are showing the same green cast that most of the samples on the blog did. I'm not sure if I ever got comfirmation that they're aware of this and will get rid of it in the final version?
The matrix has them now.
lurker77 said:
Team Negative's latest film samples are showing the same green cast that most of the samples on the blog did. I'm not sure if I ever got comfirmation that they're aware of this and will get rid of it in the final version?
The samples don't have complete color correction, I believe.
-1 has been promising stuff for years. We might be dead before he finishes.
As Han Solo once said, let's keep a little optimism here. :)
Where were you in '77?
True dat silverwook. I wonder if M Verta is still on target for 2015?
brycebayer said:
-1 has been promising stuff for years. We might be dead before he finishes.
Sigh. I think poita said it best:
poita said:
A lot of people are working really, really hard, and investing a lot of our own money to get Star Wars on 35mm preserved.
It takes enourmous amounts of (personal) time and money, I can't count the hours and don't want to count the dollars that have been put into 35mm preservation of these films.
If the wait seems too long, then one can always start up their own effort, you just have to track down and buy some prints, build or buy a film scanner, somewhere around 80TB of HDDs (say around $3000 worth), build a computer that can handle working with 100MB per frame and dedicate most of your free time to it.
Then you need to go through all 173,000 frames (for each film) make sure none are missing and match the colour to the print, and fix any bad damage. Then sort out the sound track and synch it, and then sort out the best way to get the 30TB or so of film down to something that someone could watch on their home TV. And all that is just to be able to deliver a very rough watchable print, not a cleaned up one.
Anyone can do it, and perhaps someone out there could do it faster, so by all means give it a shot if you want a faster result.
I'm not being harsh, anyone really can have a go at doing this sort of thing themselves, but if you haven't then criticising the time it takes is not really all that productive. It takes more time than you could imagine. Just moving a capture of one reel from one hard drive to another can take many many hours to simply just copy the file. Waiting for anything can be frustrating, but it is even more frustrating working on something huge and it taking longer than you would like.
So why don't you take a step back and think about all the hard work that's being put into this before you speak.
Sure I understand that. It's a lot of work. After a while you just wonder if it's real. But now they are showing us Jedi. What happened to Star Wars? But they had Empire for a while though? Harmy comes out with multiple versions all by himself. I'm sure the final result will be great though.
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brycebayer said:
After a while you just wonder if it's real.
What exactly are you implying here?
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Maybe they are like M.V. and will never release it? Or maybe they just like taking pictures of prints they buy. I have been going through the forums and wow this has been going on for a long time. It's either fake or these guys have real, real dedication. I applaud them. If it comes out I'm sure it will be awesome.
brycebayer said:
Anctu-
Maybe they are like M.V. and will never release it? Or maybe they just like taking pictures of prints they buy. I have been going through the forums and wow this has been going on for a long time. It's either fake or these guys have real, real dedication. I applaud them. If it comes out I'm sure it will be awesome.
FWIW, I'm privy to enough "behind the scenes" stuff to convince me that this effort is 100% real.
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AntcuFaalb said:
brycebayer said:
Anctu-
Maybe they are like M.V. and will never release it? Or maybe they just like taking pictures of prints they buy. I have been going through the forums and wow this has been going on for a long time. It's either fake or these guys have real, real dedication. I applaud them. If it comes out I'm sure it will be awesome.
FWIW, I'm privy to enough "behind the scenes" stuff to convince me that this effort is 100% real.
Since I was lucky enough to be invited enough to the blog, I can also confirm that at the very least they like taking videos of their private prints :P
I'm 100% convinced it's real, you people need to lighten up :P
brycebayer said:
Anctu-
Maybe they are like M.V. and will never release it? Or maybe they just like taking pictures of prints they buy. I have been going through the forums and wow this has been going on for a long time. It's either fake or these guys have real, real dedication. I applaud them. If it comes out I'm sure it will be awesome.
Before on the blog, they would have videos showing different parts of their project. There was the opening credits, the entrance to Mos Eisley, etc. they had a counter of how much footage per reel they had cleaned up. This is far from being 1) a hoax and 2) a private venture a la Mike Verta.
It's taken such a 'long' time because the project evolved from a 'oh wouldn't it be nice...' To 'oh I have a couple of prints, but they're faded and / or warped' to 'how the hell are we going to transfer these prints?' (There was no way in hell a professional house would touch it) To 'oh we hand built a machine to help us transfer all of this footage' etc etc. it went from a dream to a reality and this takes time logistically to figure out all of this stuff.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
brycebayer said:
True dat silverwook. I wonder if M Verta is still on target for 2015?
I wonder why it matters.
They've also shown videos of their capture setup. It's very elaborate. There's no way to fake that. Imagine a couple of guys cleaning thousands upon thousands of frames in their free time. Imagine how expensive acquiring all those prints must be, not to mention the harddrives, that dolby gear, etc. We're all lucky that they're doing what they're doing.
TV's Frink said:
brycebayer said:
True dat silverwook. I wonder if M Verta is still on target for 2015?
I wonder why it matters.
Well, it could actually matter greatly - if he finished it before the release of the new SW film and offered it to Disney, they could use it for a BD release, which would be a perfect promo piece for Ep.7, which they keep telling us wants to follow in the tradition of the original films.
Is there any way I could see these samples?Mavimao said:
Before on the blog, they would have videos showing different parts of their project. There was the opening credits, the entrance to Mos Eisley, etc. they had a counter of how much footage per reel they had cleaned up. This is far from being 1) a hoax and 2) a private venture a la Mike Verta.