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Molly said:

I’m guessing it has to do with variable bitrate audio, but don’t quote me.

Sorry.

I believe you need the DTS encoder from Nero package and use EAC3To. I’ve seen many people convert it to FLAC 5.1.
Don’t know what you guys are doing wrong.

Just beware that even the outstanding blu-ray player Oppo doesn’t support 7.1 FLAC. 5.1 is the limit.

Also the problem is just rebuilding the seamless branching not DTS-HD-MA itself. This discussion is pointless.

It MIGHT be possible to do it with BDEdit software.
You would need to mux the M2TS file with the new audio or subtitles using TsMuxer and output as a blu-ray.
After that you need to copy the CLPI file, which can’t be edited by any software as far as I know, and replace the original one.
Later you take the M2TS you muxed and replace the original one.

Now you need to take BDEdit and edit the playlist files, both of them and add the ID for the new track.
Also you need to edit the offset time for the playlist to match what TsMuxer spits out. Or the other way around, you take the offset timing for that playlist and insert in TsMuxer.

I did that for the Saint Seiya blu-rays which have a single playlist for all episodes and the audios and subtitles were split per episode.

Well, according to what is available on the Spleen, the GOUT synced BD’s of SSE and ESB Grindhouse have all the English tracks you’d expect from the Despecialized edition (plus Portuguese as desired by the uploader), including the DTS-HD MA tracks. Maybe what we should instead be asking is: dear God, HOW did you author these BDs? Also, how many audio and subtitle tracks can this method handle, assuming it has a menu (which it should, if it has selectable crawls)?

I am looking at the correct files… right?

towne32 said:

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towne32 said:

In my experience, the DTS-HD tracks we use around here aren’t possible to get working with seamless branching. Many software packages report the wrong run times on those files, for whatever reason, and their compatibility seems somewhat limited. But it is possible that Williarob will have better luck.

(this is why my seamless branching disc just has the dolby digital tracks instead).

Has anyone tried simply reencoding them? DTS-HD is lossless, after all, so you won’t be losing anything. But you might gain some well-behaved files as a result. Or is it DTS-HD itself that has compatibility issues?

I don’t think anyone has tried. It would be worth a shot, but it’s beyond my abilities.

I doubt it’s the format itself. DTS-HD should work with these software packages.

Yeah. I’ve used DTS tracks with Adobe Encore before and never run into the issue I’ve had with Star Wars. Hopefully the solution towne32 suggested to me works to get around it though. We’ll see.

yoda-sama said:

Well, according to what is available on the Spleen, the GOUT synced BD’s of SSE and ESB Grindhouse have all the English tracks you’d expect from the Despecialized edition (plus Portuguese as desired by the uploader), including the DTS-HD MA tracks. Maybe what we should instead be asking is: dear God, HOW did you author these BDs? Also, how many audio and subtitle tracks can this method handle, assuming it has a menu (which it should, if it has selectable crawls)?

I am looking at the correct files… right?

I’m the author of those discs you are talking about and that’s not what we are talking here.

We are talking about the upcoming release by Williarob, that will be BD50 with Menus and seamless branching for the crawls.

Also my discs have no menu, they were made simply with TsMuxer, I have no knowledge how to author a Blu-Ray menu except using pre-made ones like MultiAVCHD made by DeanK.

yoda-sama said:

Well, according to what is available on the Spleen, the GOUT synced BD’s of SSE and ESB Grindhouse have all the English tracks you’d expect from the Despecialized edition (plus Portuguese as desired by the uploader), including the DTS-HD MA tracks. Maybe what we should instead be asking is: dear God, HOW did you author these BDs? Also, how many audio and subtitle tracks can this method handle, assuming it has a menu (which it should, if it has selectable crawls)?

It’s very easy to make BDs from MKVs that have compliant streams. That’s what we always do, and that’s why we make the MKVs compatible. Basic menu-less BDs made with tsmuxer can have tons of audio and subtitle tracks. Many of us here have used tsmuxer to make our Star Wars BDs with DTS-HD MA audio.

Seamless branching discs are another issue. Most commercial software seems not to be compatible with our DTS-HD MA tracks we use here (including Adobe Encore, etc). There is a workaround for that, where you can use filler audio tracks (pcm, ac3, whatever), to build your menu’ed disc. Then you can use multiavchd to replace the tracks with DTS-HD MA ones. But multiavchd doesn’t play nicely with seamless branching discs, from what I’ve seen. It just rebuilds entire separate streams for each playlist, I think.

In theory, commercial software like Encore should work with DTS-HD MA. There’s just something about our Star Wars tracks that makes it think they’re 3+ hours long and incompatible. It’s probably something that can be fixed, but I wouldn’t know how to do it.

Well, I’ve never had this happen with dts tracks in encore, but maybe there’s just no problem at all. Maybe it’s saying its 3+ hours on the interface, but when you finally burn the disc it will play properly. It’s impossible to know within encore itself since encore doesn’t let you preview dts audio tracks.

Does anyone know if anybody actually tried burning a disc with these tracks from encore? Or has everybody just seen the issue and then assumed it would be all jacked up when burned?

If not I can make a simple bd for testing purposes and see if this is the case. Not sure when I’ll be able to burn though since there was a shipping issue with the new bd burner I ordered and I’m trying to sort it all out.

I’m pretty sure I tried it. Other programs won’t even continue with the audio tracks present, but I don’t recall what exactly Encore did.

Either way, you shouldn’t need to waste a disc. Just build the iso and test that.

fandangos said:

yoda-sama said:

Well, according to what is available on the Spleen, the GOUT synced BD’s of SSE and ESB Grindhouse have all the English tracks you’d expect from the Despecialized edition (plus Portuguese as desired by the uploader), including the DTS-HD MA tracks. Maybe what we should instead be asking is: dear God, HOW did you author these BDs? Also, how many audio and subtitle tracks can this method handle, assuming it has a menu (which it should, if it has selectable crawls)?

I am looking at the correct files… right?

I’m the author of those discs you are talking about and that’s not what we are talking here.

We are talking about the upcoming release by Williarob, that will be BD50 with Menus and seamless branching for the crawls.

Also my discs have no menu, they were made simply with TsMuxer, I have no knowledge how to author a Blu-Ray menu except using pre-made ones like MultiAVCHD made by DeanK.

Oh crap, I saw those and (with the limited time and attention I could afford) thought he’d put them up early. I skimmed the description enough to know it was BD compliant, GOUT synced and generally what audio tracks were included. That’s about as much as I knew for sure. Thanks for the clarification. I downloaded them out of my initial excitement, but haven’t watched either; I’ll probably keep at least ESB, it sounds promising, so thanks for that.

It sounds like you’ve done so much to clean it up and improve it. Why muck it up with a seamless branching BD format release?

Many of us do not mess around with burning BD’s.

In any case, thank you for your efforts and I very much look forward to viewing it.

dave88 said:

It sounds like you’ve done so much to clean it up and improve it. Why muck it up with a seamless branching BD format release?

Many of us do not mess around with burning BD’s.

In any case, thank you for your efforts and I very much look forward to viewing it.

Because a BD-50 release with seamless branching is FREAKING AWESOME!!!

Anyone who wants an mkv of whatever version can easily extract it himself. It’s not so easy to do it the other way around.

I was under the impression that the seamless branching would cause some difficulties?
I guess maybe that impression was incorrect?

That impression might be due to my posts. What I’ve said is that our standard dts-hd ma tracks we use here don’t play well with the software needed (or several other commercial software packages). I’m sure there’s a fix even if that means encoding it differently somehow, I just don’t know what it is.

Williarob said:

The official Blu-ray has Seamless Branching too - between the Spanish and English versions of the Crawl - and there is no shortage of projects (or MKV files) based on that…

just wanted to say that i also applaud your choice of release format. i am sure someone will mkv it and that version will also be shared, but it is nice that you are putting out a disk ready version instead of us having to wait for someone else to do it at questionable quality.

Williarob said:

The official Blu-ray has Seamless Branching too - between the Spanish and English versions of the Crawl - and there is no shortage of projects (or MKV files) based on that…

Thanks for clarifying. I apologize for my previous comment. I am not knowledgeable about seamless branching, I thought it presented difficulties that it apparently does not.

I’m Looking forward to your release.

The force is strong with this thread. I can feel it.

I’m a big fan of the mono, definitely psyched.

Tomorrow would be good 😃

Hate to be that guy, but any updates? I’m really looking forward to this!