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Is person #2 assumed to be negative1?

Jetrell Fo said:

Lasz said:

RedBro said:

Excuse me if I’m missing something, but since no one who “owns” a print of Star Wars actually legally “owns” it (since they all belong to Fox/Disney), why exactly is the person who loaned the Technicolor scan upset? I can understand if he or she is worroed because a scan of that print could be traced back and thus face legal repercussions from Fox/Disney. But if it’s something other than that…well, frankly: what right does that person have to keep such a thing to him or herself when none of what we’re talking about here is strictly “legal”?

As far as I understand (from what I’ve read on the forum), someone paid (I assume quite a fair amount of money, since scanning prints isn’t cheap) to have that print scanned. And then someone else gave those scans away, without that person’s (the guy who had it scanned) permission.

That’s not proper conduct. legal or not.

So why isn’t the person who passed it on not the one being blamed and outted? Is it because that person is in a more important position than tn1 and outing them would cause more harm to Mike’s current progress than outing an unknown team of people? I’m still confused.

Well, Mike passed it on first and I don’t think we know if the owner of the prints gave permission to even that.

RedBro said:

The press around the release of version 1.0 has likely done more to move Disney/Fox towards an official release than any fan campaign yet.

You may be right about that, but I’m not so sure that a follow up release would have quite the same impact. Besides, the last time I checked, only about 12 minutes of it had been cleaned, so it’s not like it could be uploaded next week anyway.

I hear what you are saying, I really do, and in fact I find a lot of your arguments quite compelling, but I still think we should wait and see what happens with Disney. Beyond short term gratification, I don’t see that we have anything to lose by waiting but we have everything to gain by not interfering. Heck we’ve been waiting 19 years already, what’s one more? Worst case scenario - nothing happens, there is no deal, and Disney just reboxes the same discs as last time for sale next year in their shiny new “Limited Edition 40th Anniversary Box Set”. I think everybody here will agree that that would be a really dumb thing to do, (what a missed opportunity!) but hey, it could happen. And if it does? -1 still has the scan, right? So you may still get to see it. And if you’re right, and he’s still working on it anyway, it may even be ready by then.

Jetrell Fo said:

Person#2 could be a chair for all I know.

The reality of this whole situation is, strangely, that Person #2 is a chair.

AntcuFaalb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Person#2 could be a chair for all I know.

The reality of this whole situation is, strangely, that Person #2 is a chair.

I heard he was a table.

Williarob said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Person#2 could be a chair for all I know.

The reality of this whole situation is, strangely, that Person #2 is a chair.

I heard he was a table.

Nope, a chair. Here’s a recent image of him:

Williarob said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Person#2 could be a chair for all I know.

The reality of this whole situation is, strangely, that Person #2 is a chair.

I heard he was a table.

His 'spleen handle is neither table nor chair

Darth Mallwalker said:

Williarob said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Person#2 could be a chair for all I know.

The reality of this whole situation is, strangely, that Person #2 is a chair.

I heard he was a table.

His 'spleen handle is neither table nor chair

Yes, but perhaps it would be best for everyone involved if we just treat them as nonexistent from now on. No good can come from it at all.

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Made the mistake of being curious about what post 102 was

It caused an incredible amount of drama in Off Topic way-back-when. Ah, the memories…

Williarob said:

Lasz said:

Williarob said:

Lasz said:

Williarob said:

Poita’s scan of the LPP.

a scan of the whole movie or just for replacement parts?

The whole movie.

wow.

and are there plans for creating a release from that scan or will it just be used for replacement parts?

That’s a good question and the answer really depends on how much better the scan is, and how easy it is to swap sources. The new scan should be cleaner, sharper and smear free but it will still have the same color issues and much of the same physical damage. In theory, it may be possible to swap out the frames from the old print with those of the new and apply the same cleanup, but of course in the real world things are never that easy… I would like to replace as much of the source material as I can because I think that will result in the best quality final product, but not if it will take another three years to complete.

Don’t worry though, I will keep you posted every step of the way. If we have learned anything from this debacle, I think we learned that having a secretive “team” account that only makes infrequent, ambiguous and often nonsensical statements is bad. That badness leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, and hate leads us… well, to where we are now really with the team’s greatest achievement being over shadowed by allegations of misconduct.

So in an effort to avoid this sort of thing happening again I shall try to be as transparent as possible. To that end, I can tell you that Poita’s scan should be shipping sometime this week. When it arrives I’ll post some comparisons. I don’t anticipate it being the kind of night and day difference there is between the LPP and the Tech, but it should be better than what we have.

I have to get a new motherboard first, so it won’t be shipping this week, it will be next month at the earliet.

RedBro said:

Lasz said:
As far as I understand (from what I’ve read on the forum), someone paid (I assume quite a fair amount of money, since scanning prints isn’t cheap) to have that print scanned. And then someone else gave those scans away, without that person’s (the guy who had it scanned) permission.

That’s not proper conduct. legal or not.

But how is that a problem unless the person who paid the money was expecting to make that money back by (very illegally) selling his scans of his print? In what world was this person going to get that money back? Unless said person was aiming to be reimbursed by Disney for providing assistance with some theoretical future release, the whole “but he/she spent money!” argument makes no sense to me.

Imagine you took years to find that print, and paid a small fortune for it.
Someone comes along and asks to scan that print for preservation, you understandably are worried, what if the print gets lost, damaged, confiscated? What if after the print is scanned, they trace it back to you and prosecute you and confiscate your library of prints worth 10s or even 100s of thousands of dollars?
You might be old enough to remember when the FBI raided the Hollywood home of Roddy McDowall and seized the actor’s large collection of films, you are quite nervous about possible repercussions.

So the restorationist courts you for months, and offers solid assurances that the scan done will not be released, that there would be no way to trace it back to them, that it is part of a bigger mission to get the originals restored fully. That they will pay the extremely expensive costs to get it all done. You relucatantly agree, hoping it won’t come back to bite you on the arse.

Now, if you see images from your print suddenly appear online, from a group giving interviews and releasing torrents of movies, and saying they are going to use the scan of your print and put it out there, you are going to be pissed and extremely worried.

Also, on the flipside, if you paid tens of thousands of dollars to scan something, for your own use that you made assurances would never be used for anything else, and someone effectively took that time and money you spent making it happen, and just used it for their own thing, that could potentially derail your own work and put the guy that trusted you in the shit, well, I reckon most people would also be pretty pissed in that situation.

poita said:

I have to get a new motherboard first, so it won’t be shipping this week, it will be next month at the earliet.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. No worries.

TV’s Frink said:

AntcuFaalb said:

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Made the mistake of being curious about what post 102 was

It caused an incredible amount of drama in Off Topic way-back-when. Ah, the memories…

Despite being someone who should know better, and was probably involved…I’m completely lost.

It started here: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Share-your-good-news/id/16448/page/5

And then it spread into other threads.

TV’s Frink said:

AntcuFaalb said:

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Made the mistake of being curious about what post 102 was

It caused an incredible amount of drama in Off Topic way-back-when. Ah, the memories…

Despite being someone who should know better, and was probably involved…I’m completely lost.

See AntcuFaalb’s signature.