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I think it was, you’re just not looking in the right places.

And as far as people being overlooked, it was Kathleen that brought him over to Mandalorian after she fired Josh Trank and hired Favreau. Mandalorian started as the unproduced Boba Fett movie. Kathleen pulled him to help develop it as a series with Favreau before Star Wars Resistance, and that’s why he was overseeing but not show-running that series. That’s also why he learned to direct from Johnson, because that’s how long ago they were working on season 1.

Like, everyone wants to demonise her or blame her for what they don’t like, but then they don’t credit her for what they do like. She was getting Mandalorian off the ground prior to firing the directors of Solo.

But at the end of the day, as with any film, the director has that final say on set. If you wanna complain about films not getting things right, blame them. Abrams is the main culprit, even if you hated TLJ Abrams signed off on that while he was still shooting TFA.

I just feel like we’re always looking for excuses to blame the woman for what the men do wrong and not to credit her for her astute decisions. Filoni is great, don’t get me wrong… but he’s not the messiah. Film and TV aren’t ever made by just one person.

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There’s bits and pieces in The Art of the Rise of Skywalker from a meeting Lucasfilm had in ~2014, after the first draft of TFA was written, in order to decide what to do in VIII and IX. It included Filoni, Pablo Hidalgo, Dave Chiang, John Knoll etc. It was actually Filoni’s idea to have Leia train Rey after Luke fails to do so (he goes as far as to say Leia could become the “Obi-Wan” of the Sequel Trilogy) and that Leia should be the one responsible for Ben’s redemption, both ideas we see come about in TROS. Of course, that was before Carrie passed away or TLJ was written, so the wisdom of choosing to still use those ideas for IX anyway is questionable - but it’s clear evidence that Filoni was a creative influence on the sequels.

I think people underestimate his role at Lucasfilm - Kennedy isn’t stupid; she’s as aware as anyone that Lucas spent years teaching Filoni while they were making The Clone Wars. But Filoni isn’t a producer, and, as we see in the Mandalorian, he’s still only beginning to get his legs as a live-action director. Kennedy gets a bad rap because of the bumpy production of the sequels, but a lot of that comes down to Iger wanting to rush TFA out ASAP to recoup the costs of buying Lucasfilm, and then only giving each subsequent movie ~2 years rather than the 3 that the previous trilogies had.

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JakeRyan17 said:

I think it was, you’re just not looking in the right places.

And as far as people being overlooked, it was Kathleen that brought him over to Mandalorian after she fired Josh Trank and hired Favreau. Mandalorian started as the unproduced Boba Fett movie. Kathleen pulled him to help develop it as a series with Favreau before Star Wars Resistance, and that’s why he was overseeing but not show-running that series. That’s also why he learned to direct from Johnson, because that’s how long ago they were working on season 1.

Like, everyone wants to demonise her or blame her for what they don’t like, but then they don’t credit her for what they do like. She was getting Mandalorian off the ground prior to firing the directors of Solo.

But at the end of the day, as with any film, the director has that final say on set. If you wanna complain about films not getting things right, blame them. Abrams is the main culprit, even if you hated TLJ Abrams signed off on that while he was still shooting TFA.

I just feel like we’re always looking for excuses to blame the woman for what the men do wrong and not to credit her for her astute decisions. Filoni is great, don’t get me wrong… but he’s not the messiah. Film and TV aren’t ever made by just one person.

You’re making a lot of assumptions again. I never mentioned Kennedy by name, nor Abrams or Johnson. I’ve only vaguely criticized the ST in a very general way and I appreciate it if you didn’t compare me to certain angry fans simply because of some very superfluous similarities. I don’t think they’re awful movies, there are many elements that I actually liked, but I’m just not particularly impressed by the overall trilogy and how it concluded.

I stand corrected on several production details though. I didn’t know they were “preparing” Filoni for live-action as early as TLJ. I will say though that I’m somewhat tired of the “film and TV aren’t made by one person” argument. Yes, its true that many people make movies/series great, but directors and show-runners are there to keep all that talent together and keep their input within a cohesive framework so that the final product fits within his/her idea of what the movie/series should be. Filoni’s obviously not the only reason TCW, Rebels or The Mandalorian are good, but he’s obviously one of the main contributors to all of them.

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sade1212 said:

There’s bits and pieces in The Art of the Rise of Skywalker from a meeting Lucasfilm had in ~2014, after the first draft of TFA was written, in order to decide what to do in VIII and IX. It included Filoni, Pablo Hidalgo, Dave Chiang, John Knoll etc. It was actually Filoni’s idea to have Leia train Rey after Luke fails to do so (he goes as far as to say Leia could become the “Obi-Wan” of the Sequel Trilogy) and that Leia should be the one responsible for Ben’s redemption, both ideas we see come about in TROS. Of course, that was before Carrie passed away or TLJ was written, so the wisdom of choosing to still use those ideas for IX anyway is questionable - but it’s clear evidence that Filoni was a creative influence on the sequels.

I think people underestimate his role at Lucasfilm - Kennedy isn’t stupid; she’s as aware as anyone that Lucas spent years teaching Filoni while they were making The Clone Wars. But Filoni isn’t a producer, and, as we see in the Mandalorian, he’s still only beginning to get his legs as a live-action director. Kennedy gets a bad rap because of the bumpy production of the sequels, but a lot of that comes down to Iger wanting to rush TFA out ASAP to recoup the costs of buying Lucasfilm, and then only giving each subsequent movie ~2 years rather than the 3 that the previous trilogies had.

Fair enough, I stand corrected on a lot of points. I get why the ST was rushed, but it’s still a shame we got such a messy and inconsistent set of films for practical reasons. At least now that Disney/Lucasfilm have started focusing on series it seems like we’re getting much more coherent stories from now on. I’m still glad to see that Filoni has reached a point were his animation contributions to the lore is starting to become the focus of a lot of the new live-action content.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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ZkinandBonez said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I think it was, you’re just not looking in the right places.

And as far as people being overlooked, it was Kathleen that brought him over to Mandalorian after she fired Josh Trank and hired Favreau. Mandalorian started as the unproduced Boba Fett movie. Kathleen pulled him to help develop it as a series with Favreau before Star Wars Resistance, and that’s why he was overseeing but not show-running that series. That’s also why he learned to direct from Johnson, because that’s how long ago they were working on season 1.

Like, everyone wants to demonise her or blame her for what they don’t like, but then they don’t credit her for what they do like. She was getting Mandalorian off the ground prior to firing the directors of Solo.

But at the end of the day, as with any film, the director has that final say on set. If you wanna complain about films not getting things right, blame them. Abrams is the main culprit, even if you hated TLJ Abrams signed off on that while he was still shooting TFA.

I just feel like we’re always looking for excuses to blame the woman for what the men do wrong and not to credit her for her astute decisions. Filoni is great, don’t get me wrong… but he’s not the messiah. Film and TV aren’t ever made by just one person.

You’re making a lot of assumptions again. I never mentioned Kennedy by name, nor Abrams or Johnson. I’ve only vaguely criticized the ST in a very general way and I appreciate it if you didn’t compare me to certain angry fans simply because of some very superfluous similarities. I don’t think they’re awful movies, there are many elements that I actually liked, but I’m just not particularly impressed by the overall trilogy and how it concluded.

I stand corrected on several production details though. I didn’t know they were “preparing” Filoni for live-action as early as TLJ. I will say though that I’m somewhat tired of the “film and TV aren’t made by one person” argument. Yes, its true that many people make movies/series great, but directors and show-runners are there to keep all that talent together and keep their input within a cohesive framework so that the final product fits within his/her idea of what the movie/series should be. Filoni’s obviously not the only reason TCW, Rebels or The Mandalorian are good, but he’s obviously one of the main contributors to all of them.

He is. That’s why he was brought in for story meetings prior to TFA. That’s why Kathy brought him over with John to rework the Boba Fett movie into The Mandalorian.

I’m tired of people who don’t work in this industry creating messianic figures out of people. Dave is exceptionally talented, but there was a lot else going on on those films that Filoni could not have fixed, even if he were president of Lucasfilm or CEO of Disney itself.

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JakeRyan17 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I think it was, you’re just not looking in the right places.

And as far as people being overlooked, it was Kathleen that brought him over to Mandalorian after she fired Josh Trank and hired Favreau. Mandalorian started as the unproduced Boba Fett movie. Kathleen pulled him to help develop it as a series with Favreau before Star Wars Resistance, and that’s why he was overseeing but not show-running that series. That’s also why he learned to direct from Johnson, because that’s how long ago they were working on season 1.

Like, everyone wants to demonise her or blame her for what they don’t like, but then they don’t credit her for what they do like. She was getting Mandalorian off the ground prior to firing the directors of Solo.

But at the end of the day, as with any film, the director has that final say on set. If you wanna complain about films not getting things right, blame them. Abrams is the main culprit, even if you hated TLJ Abrams signed off on that while he was still shooting TFA.

I just feel like we’re always looking for excuses to blame the woman for what the men do wrong and not to credit her for her astute decisions. Filoni is great, don’t get me wrong… but he’s not the messiah. Film and TV aren’t ever made by just one person.

You’re making a lot of assumptions again. I never mentioned Kennedy by name, nor Abrams or Johnson. I’ve only vaguely criticized the ST in a very general way and I appreciate it if you didn’t compare me to certain angry fans simply because of some very superfluous similarities. I don’t think they’re awful movies, there are many elements that I actually liked, but I’m just not particularly impressed by the overall trilogy and how it concluded.

I stand corrected on several production details though. I didn’t know they were “preparing” Filoni for live-action as early as TLJ. I will say though that I’m somewhat tired of the “film and TV aren’t made by one person” argument. Yes, its true that many people make movies/series great, but directors and show-runners are there to keep all that talent together and keep their input within a cohesive framework so that the final product fits within his/her idea of what the movie/series should be. Filoni’s obviously not the only reason TCW, Rebels or The Mandalorian are good, but he’s obviously one of the main contributors to all of them.

He is. That’s why he was brought in for story meetings prior to TFA. That’s why Kathy brought him over with John to rework the Boba Fett movie into The Mandalorian.

I’m tired of people who don’t work in this industry creating messianic figures out of people. Dave is exceptionally talented, but there was a lot else going on on those films that Filoni could not have fixed, even if he were president of Lucasfilm or CEO of Disney itself.

I agree, and I also think the “put him in charge everything” arguments were silly. I doubt he’d be interested in the job even if it were hypothetically offered to him.

I do however think its important for the fans to have a person to look up to as the “visionary” as it were. That’s obviously quite corny, and as you said can often lead to a form of veneration. But after Lucas sold SW and dropped out of the franchise I don’t blame people for wanting a new creative anchor. And there’s something to be said for him being that guy, not for everything of course, but creating a little pocket universe for Filoni’s ideas is, I think, a clever move. If Filoni’s stuff doesn’t appeal to some people, then there’s the ST, RO/Andor, whatever the Acolyte turns out to be, etc. But there is that somewhat self-contained Filoni-saga, “-verse”, whatever they end up calling it, that will hopefully end up feeling consistent. This is the big danger with a franchise like SW, eventually someone is going to make something that a lot of the fans don’t like and then other people will have to incorporate that into their stories for the sake of continuity. Since one person can’t carry the whole thing on his/her back, I think breaking it into semi self-contained “clusters” of content with only the movies as the core skeleton. But then you again end up with the Lucas saga vs ST argument. I don’t blame Disney for making the obvious decision to cash in on their humongous purchase and make more movies. But when one person was in charge of the previous six films there’s some huge shoes to fill when continuing the saga and I think it was domed to cause a stir either way. Heck, even Lucas caused a stir by his continuation of his own stories. But I do think live-action and animated EU stories is the way to go forward. It’s safer and there’s so many possibilities.

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The EU is done because there are no real possibilities. Adapting those stories, which are far messier than anything Disney has released, is not going to appease anyone—as even if they tried, fans of those novels/books/comics/games will always be pissed that it isn’t how they imagined it.

Acolyte is going to be one of the better ways forward, and I wish more was announced like that: in a different era. As fun as Dave’s and John’s three new shows spinning out from Mandalorian sound, I think it’s time to move away from the sequel trilogy. I enjoyed Rogue One, I look forward to Andor, Kenobi sounds cool, as does the other show. The Bad Batch will be cool, and similar to Clone Wars and Rebels, while the other two animated series, Visions and A Droids Story, will find their audiences too.

I think Leslye Headland’s The Acolyte and, if it’s ever brought back to the table, Rian Johnson’s trilogy going to new eras less connected to the main saga of nostalgia will be the better way forward. But fans will complain regardless. Catering to fans just doesn’t work, if you don’t believe me: rewatch The Rise of Skywalker. We need new things, and fans need to embrace that some things will be different. The more we support the franchise as a whole, the more they’ll invest in giving us new and diverse (both by representation and types of stories) content.

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JakeRyan17 said:

The EU is done because there are no real possibilities. Adapting those stories, which are far messier than anything Disney has released, is not going to appease anyone—as even if they tried, fans of those novels/books/comics/games will always be pissed that it isn’t how they imagined it.

Acolyte is going to be one of the better ways forward, and I wish more was announced like that: in a different era. As fun as Dave’s and John’s three new shows spinning out from Mandalorian sound, I think it’s time to move away from the sequel trilogy. I enjoyed Rogue One, I look forward to Andor, Kenobi sounds cool, as does the other show. The Bad Batch will be cool, and similar to Clone Wars and Rebels, while the other two animated series, Visions and A Droids Story, will find their audiences too.

I think Leslye Headland’s The Acolyte and, if it’s ever brought back to the table, Rian Johnson’s trilogy going to new eras less connected to the main saga of nostalgia will be the better way forward. But fans will complain regardless. Catering to fans just doesn’t work, if you don’t believe me: rewatch The Rise of Skywalker. We need new things, and fans need to embrace that some things will be different. The more we support the franchise as a whole, the more they’ll invest in giving us new and diverse (both by representation and types of stories) content.

Ok, I think we’re kinda having two separate discussions here, or you’re assuming that I’m a lot more negative than I actually am. By EU is simply meant an “expanded universe” as in not the Skywalker saga, not Legends or specifically books, comics, etc. of any specific era of content. Maybe I’ve used the term wrong, but I was under the impression that it still applied to non-saga material. And yes I’m sure The Acolyte will provide something fresh and new, by writing “whatever it turns out to be” I was simply referring to the fact that we hardly know anything about it.

We clearly agree on a lot of points here other than the idea of embracing everything. I just personally don’t think that works. And I don’t mean that people should be angry or disrespectful the way many were (and still are) in response to TLJ, or even all the way back to films TPM. Not liking the ST or PT doesn’t have to mean you’re one of these people. And while I agree that you can’t please everyone and that many fans make bad calls ad want strange things, clearly some creators get more approval from a majority while others don’t, and I do think that should be acknowledged (to an extent) by the people who run a franchise. And we clearly agree that the different shows will please different sections of the fan-base, while others will also like most or all of it as a whole. This is why I think the new Disney+ model holds great promise.

Anyway, this has deviated a lot from discussing the Bad Batch so unless there’s some final points you’d like to add to this discussion I think we should end it here.

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The Bad Batch will be great. They didn’t show any kid character like Ahsoka or Ezra, but I assume they’ll add one. It’s primed to set up the earliest transition from Republic to Empire, considering we know it crosses over with Revenge of the Sith (Palpatine’s senate speech in the red cloak.

Love that Fennec is in it, curious if she’ll be used as a villain or hero, considering her heroic/honourable turn in Mandalorian s2. I wonder if there will be other returning characters from other shows.

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I wonder how many seasons of Bad Batch are we in store for. I can’t really see seven or even four years worth of stories based around these characters. And when it’s done, I’m still hoping for an animated series based on Shadows Of The Empire and set during and after the original trilogy. I know that wouldn’t be breaking any new ground but I feel like the animated shows have done a great job so far expanding the story around the core films and I hope they continue to do so.

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Wexter said:

I wonder how many seasons of Bad Batch are we in store for. I can’t really see seven or even four years worth of stories based around these characters.

I would imagine a few. I doubt enough to connect up to Solo or Obi-Wan Kenobi. I could see four seasons, maybe more though.

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And when it’s done, I’m still hoping for an animated series based on Shadows Of The Empire and set during and after the original trilogy. I know that wouldn’t be breaking any new ground but I feel like the animated shows have done a great job so far expanding the story around the core films and I hope they continue to do so.

Shadows will not happen. Pablo Hidalgo and some of the other story gurus hate it too much. I imagine LAL will move onto The High Republic or another less-explored part of the timeline next.

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Palpatine’s speech in the trailer sounds like its taken directly from ROTS so it’ll be interesting to see if that’s his only appearance in this series or if McDiarmid will reprise his role like he did in Rebels.

And speaking of voices, in addition to weather or not Fennec will be an ally or antagonist to the Bad Batch, I’m assuming they’ve gotten Ming-Na Wen to voice the character. Since this is a younger version they could justify another voice actress, but since she’s already on The Mandalorian I can’t imagine it’d be hard to get her to voice acting for the character as well.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Palpatine’s speech in the trailer sounds like its taken directly from ROTS so it’ll be interesting to see if that’s his only appearance in this series or if McDiarmid will reprise his role like he did in Rebels.

With seeing Tarkin, I bet that we’ll get more Imperial officers than The Emperor himself.

Speaking of voices, in addition to weather or not Fennec will be an ally or antagonist in the series, I’m assuming they’ve gotten Ming-Na Wen to voice the character. Since this is a younger version they could justify another voice actress, but since she’s already on The Mandalorian I can’t imagine it’d be hard to get her to voice her here as well.

I’m sure they’ll bring her back. She’s too much of a badass not to, AND she’s a voice actress. She voiced Mulan way back when, and doesn’t sound all that different now.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Wexter said:

I wonder how many seasons of Bad Batch are we in store for. I can’t really see seven or even four years worth of stories based around these characters.

I would imagine a few. I doubt enough to connect up to Solo or Obi-Wan Kenobi. I could see four seasons, maybe more though.

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And when it’s done, I’m still hoping for an animated series based on Shadows Of The Empire and set during and after the original trilogy. I know that wouldn’t be breaking any new ground but I feel like the animated shows have done a great job so far expanding the story around the core films and I hope they continue to do so.

Shadows will not happen. Pablo Hidalgo and some of the other story gurus hate it too much. I imagine LAL will move onto The High Republic or another less-explored part of the timeline next.

Well fuck Pablo Hidalgo if that’s the case. I wouldn’t hope for a full on SOTE adaptation at this point, but there is a motherlode of great ideas that they developed for it back in the 90s. Combine that with new stuff and you could have a show similar in structure to the Clone Wars spanning from shortly after Yavin to shortly after Endor.

I can’t see why LAL couldn’t be working within two eras at the same time. They kinda did just that with Rebels and Resistance.

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Wexter said:

Well fuck Pablo Hidalgo if that’s the case. I wouldn’t hope for a full on SOTE adaptation at this point, but there is a motherlode of great ideas that they developed for it back in the 90s. Combine that with new stuff and you could have a show similar in structure to the Clone Wars spanning from shortly after Yavin to shortly after Endor.

They’ve filled that space so much though, especially with comics and even the new Rogue Squadron movie. I don’t think it’s a bad idea for them to move out of the OT. Seems like they’re trying to slowly edge away from it, with things set 6+ years after and 5-10 years before.

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I can’t see why LAL couldn’t be working within two eras at the same time. They kinda did just that with Rebels and Resistance.

I’m sure they will work in multiple eras, I just think the goal is to show more love to new places that haven’t already got so much going on. I’m pretty sure the main reason Bad Batch is happening is because they were the last characters created by George with Dave.

Also, LAL is such a tiny piece of Lucasfilm. Like, look at those credits. Most of Rebels, Resistance, and Clone Wars are all the same crew. Any overlap was just in the final and first seasons between shows. The people who are different look like new hires replacing people who left for other projects outside of Lucasfilm/Disney.

I loved Shadows as well, and would love for Dash and Xizor to come back in some way… but Boba’s characterisation in Mandalorian already is at odds with Shadows.

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JakeRyan17 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Palpatine’s speech in the trailer sounds like its taken directly from ROTS so it’ll be interesting to see if that’s his only appearance in this series or if McDiarmid will reprise his role like he did in Rebels.

With seeing Tarkin, I bet that we’ll get more Imperial officers than The Emperor himself.

Speaking of voices, in addition to weather or not Fennec will be an ally or antagonist in the series, I’m assuming they’ve gotten Ming-Na Wen to voice the character. Since this is a younger version they could justify another voice actress, but since she’s already on The Mandalorian I can’t imagine it’d be hard to get her to voice her here as well.

I’m sure they’ll bring her back. She’s too much of a badass not to, AND she’s a voice actress. She voiced Mulan way back when, and doesn’t sound all that different now.

Huh, I only saw the dubbed version of Mulan as a kid so I did not know that.

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Shadows will not happen. Pablo Hidalgo and some of the other story gurus hate it too much. I imagine LAL will move onto The High Republic or another less-explored part of the timeline next.

Not that I expected a new Shadows of the Empire, especially since Forces of Destiny changed the lore so that Maz gave Leia the Boushh outfit instead of Guri, but just out of curiosity, do you know why Hidalgo doesn’t like it. I was always under the impressions tat Shadows of the Empire was quite well regarded. I really loved it anyway, but I’m not someone who personally needs the new canon to re-canonize specific stories. I think they’re fine just as they are, and I don’t mind dealing with two continuities.

Also, who/what is LAL? Not a name/abbreviation I’m familiar with.

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Wexter said:

Well fuck Pablo Hidalgo if that’s the case. I wouldn’t hope for a full on SOTE adaptation at this point, but there is a motherlode of great ideas that they developed for it back in the 90s. Combine that with new stuff and you could have a show similar in structure to the Clone Wars spanning from shortly after Yavin to shortly after Endor.

They’ve filled that space so much though, especially with comics and even the new Rogue Squadron movie. I don’t think it’s a bad idea for them to move out of the OT. Seems like they’re trying to slowly edge away from it, with things set 6+ years after and 5-10 years before.

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I can’t see why LAL couldn’t be working within two eras at the same time. They kinda did just that with Rebels and Resistance.

I’m sure they will work in multiple eras, I just think the goal is to show more love to new places that haven’t already got so much going on. I’m pretty sure the main reason Bad Batch is happening is because they were the last characters created by George with Dave.

Also, LAL is such a tiny piece of Lucasfilm. Like, look at those credits. Most of Rebels, Resistance, and Clone Wars are all the same crew. Any overlap was just in the final and first seasons between shows. The people who are different look like new hires replacing people who left for other projects outside of Lucasfilm/Disney.

I loved Shadows as well, and would love for Dash and Xizor to come back in some way… but Boba’s characterisation in Mandalorian already is at odds with Shadows.

Yes, the fact that the OT era is so filled up with new comic series (IMO mostly sub-par, sadly) doesn’t bode too well for an animated show starring the classic characters.

But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is cannon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

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Wexter said:

But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is cannon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

Xizor would make for a really cool re-canonized villain, but I didn’t know he’d been brought back. I remember seeing the Black Sun and the Falleen species in TCW though.

EDIT: Apparently he has been re-canonized through a Galaxy’s Edge cookbook. Bit odd, but why not. Not sure how official that canon status necessarily is, but I do still like the idea of him returning. The Falleen in general are really interesting and it’d be fun to see more of them.

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ZkinandBonez said:

JakeRyan17 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Palpatine’s speech in the trailer sounds like its taken directly from ROTS so it’ll be interesting to see if that’s his only appearance in this series or if McDiarmid will reprise his role like he did in Rebels.

With seeing Tarkin, I bet that we’ll get more Imperial officers than The Emperor himself.

Speaking of voices, in addition to weather or not Fennec will be an ally or antagonist in the series, I’m assuming they’ve gotten Ming-Na Wen to voice the character. Since this is a younger version they could justify another voice actress, but since she’s already on The Mandalorian I can’t imagine it’d be hard to get her to voice her here as well.

I’m sure they’ll bring her back. She’s too much of a badass not to, AND she’s a voice actress. She voiced Mulan way back when, and doesn’t sound all that different now.

Huh, I only saw the dubbed version of Mulan as a kid so I did not know that.

Yeah! She’s done a few other things here and there as well. Mulan, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and The Mandalorian are her most well-known works, at least in the US.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Shadows will not happen. Pablo Hidalgo and some of the other story gurus hate it too much. I imagine LAL will move onto The High Republic or another less-explored part of the timeline next.

Not that I expected a new Shadows of the Empire, especially since Forces of Destiny changed the lore so that Maz gave Leia the Boushh outfit instead of Guri, but just out of curiosity, do you know why Hidalgo doesn’t like it. I was always under the impressions tat Shadows of the Empire was quite well regarded. I really loved it anyway, but I’m not someone who personally needs the new canon to re-canonize specific stories. I think they’re fine just as they are, and I don’t mind dealing with two continuities.

I’m honestly with you. I consider Legends/EU to be an alternate timeline, not unlike Abrams’ Star Trek films or the various iterations of Batman on film. Their quality is… well, not all of it is good. I loved it growing up, because it’s what we had. I’m also quite glad we’re freed up from it to get new Star Wars stories that can pave their own way.

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Also, who/what is LAL? Not a name/abbreviation I’m familiar with.

LAL is Lucasfilm Animation. LFL is Lucasfilm, Ltd.

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But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is cannon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

Xizor would make for a really cool re-canonized villain, but I didn’t know he’d been brought back. I remember seeing the Black Sun and the Falleen species in TCW though.

Yeah, I only remember the Falleen species and the Black Sun as well. Didn’t Maul kill all those we saw? If that scene made Xizor canon, is he dead now? 😅

EDIT: just saw Galaxy’s Edge brought him back, that’s awesome.

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Wexter said:

But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is canon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

Xizor would make for a really cool re-canonized villain, but I didn’t know he’d been brought back. I remember seeing the Black Sun and the Falleen species in TCW though.

Well according to Wookiepedia, he only became canon because of an inclusion in a cookbook, so pardon the pun and take it with a pinch of salt…

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Six Characters We NEED to See in The Bad Batch Series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chjWkFaPwNI - from the Star Wars Explained YouTube channel (5 mins long).

BTW, the Dryden Vos scene from TCW season 7 has a Falleen present, so maybe Xizor being properly recanonized isn’t too unlikely. I agree that Maul might be a bit overkill a this point, though I wouldn’t mind, but having the Bad Batch get involved with Crimson Dawn at some point seems like a really obvious thing to do.

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Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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Honestly this is probably my most anticipated show. I LOVED the Bad Batch Arc from Season 7, and I’ve been dying for a proper continuation/sequel to Clone Wars that hopefully involves some of the canned plotlines from Seasons 6, 7, and 8 of TCW. I will be watching this show very closely.

Use the Force, Joh Yowza.

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The great thing about Bad Batch is how many dangling threads it can wrap up or explain better. Its position in the timeline is very privileged. I’m looking forward to see the perspective of the clones who remained loyal to the Empire.

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I don’t think it will explore abandoned plot lines, I have a feeling it will focus on exploring its corner of the timeline more though…