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will this movie revive the frachise or kill it forever?

is it a good idea or bad idea to make this movie now that Rick berman is no longer involved.

Paramount blamed Tom Cruise and not JJ for the failure of MI:III and fired him instead. i find that funny and that abrams has been allowed to actually helm the new film as director.

The reports of it being set in kirk's and spock's academy days and no starship enterprise until the second or third picture if the film is sucessfull to me is a bad idea it is not star trek without the enterprise.

Being a reboot and apparently being simply titled STAR TREK, i wonder how well it will do and if they can find someone to fill william shatner's jackboots.

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I think it is the bullet in the gun that effectively kills the franchise. But maybe......ah who cares.
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
Paramount blamed Tom Cruise and not JJ for the failure of MI:III and fired him instead.


Maybe that's because Cruise was running around like a jackass going on and on about Scientology. He turned a bunch of people off just by that.

I don't think not having the Enterprise will kill Trek. I think it'll be refreshing to feature a different ship and some of the early days of the academy. It certainly can't be any worse than it has been.

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It definitely was Cruise, not Abrams that killed the Mission Impossible franchise. People weren't saying, "Oh my god, the directing is horrible, don't go see it." They were saying, "Tom Cruise sucks ass." He's not an outstanding director by any means, but he's competent enough to create something good given the right script. I am going to remain optimistic on this one for the time being.

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I liked the original MI, and thought II sucked (it wasn't a horrible movie overall, but was a lousy MI film.) III actually went back to its roots and got most things right, although it was a bit formulaic. I didn't release it wasn't considered a "success", but I wonder how many people were turned off by Cruise's antics to the point of not seeing the film.

That being said, I don't think a reboot with a younger Kirk and Spock (I'm presuming) is a very good idea. The idea can work when done well. I recall the TNG episode where Picard dies, and Q takes him back to his academy days being excellently written and fun to watch, but I don't think it'll work as a whole new franchise.

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The last star trek film was visually a feast of special effects and pretty much nothing else. Of course they couldn't keep pushing in that direction and expect success but i'm doubtful this course of action [series reboot] is a wise one.

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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
The last star trek film was visually a feast of special effects and pretty much nothing else. Of course they couldn't keep pushing in that direction and expect success but i'm doubtful this course of action [series reboot] is a wise one.

Also a ripoff of at least 2 other Trek movies,Shinzon's hatred toward Picard Khan's hatred toward Kirk Spock's death and ressurection Data's "death and techno ressurection"
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Well I didn't want to go into all the reasons i dislike Nemesis Just making a point.

I guess a lot of people saw enterprise as a reboot, Although I liked it I guess the die hard fans never really dug it much or it'd still be on the air. There's absolutely no reason that they couldn't keep the series set in the same time frame and just focus on other characters and events.





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Enterprise was a terrible attempt. Not to say that the episodes were bad, but they offered absolutely nothing new from what I could see. I had really hoped Enterprise was going to go to a much more politically incorrect place. Have people be paid money for their jobs for one thing and more diplomatic mistakes. Instead every episode was a clone of an episode from TNG, DS9, or Voyager except with the twist that these were supposedly the "first" times that these types of incidents had occurred. Heh.

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So long as they bind themselves to established canon and the Rodenberry utopian drek they will fail. Take it in a radical new direction and focus on characters that people care about with believable, permanent stories and people will come back. Data's "death" in Nemesis was a perfect example of the crap that Berman had wrought.
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But then why make a 'star trek' movie at all?Why not do something completely fresh?
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
But then why make a 'star trek' movie at all?Why not do something completely fresh?


Personally I'd be happy if they let it rest for another 10 years or so, sadly it's a cash cow for too many people involved. All they see are $$$.
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I might have said this before on here, but I'd love to see a Trek series focus on Earth for a time. I've always loved the Star Trek episodes that go back to Mother Earth for whatever reason or another. Just to see the ideas of how the ideal Trek society would function and all. That would be interesting and good if pulled off correctly.
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I liked Enterprise.

and ressurection Data's "death and techno ressurection"


I have to say, this was really the most blatant copy. Come up with some fresh ideas, rather than sucking the life out of good past ideas.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It seems like they are determined to do a Trek film, but don't really have anything they can make, so they are desperate. It seems like TNG has run out of stories. (As said with Nemesis, a blatant remake of Wrath of Khan.) Plus, most non-trekkies immediately think about Kirk and company when they think Star Trek. I doubt any of the other Star Trek series made, such as DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise would make a film that many would want to see, so, to make a Star Trek film, they simply have nowhere else to go. I'm afraid of this one.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I liked Enterprise.


Well, as did I. I enjoyed the edgier episodes the most. However, I stopped watching after the first season because there were too many instances where the show seemed to follow the exact same Star Trek formula. There's only so much of the same thing that I can enjoy. I'd have to say that the first insultingly unoriginal episode was the one where the captain was undercover on that primitive planet (middle-ages tech if I remember) and he had the hots for a primitive-tech-alien chick. Like I've never seen that before.

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Originally posted by: Number20
It seems like they are determined to do a Trek film, but don't really have anything they can make, so they are desperate. It seems like TNG has run out of stories. (As said with Nemesis, a blatant remake of Wrath of Khan.) Plus, most non-trekkies immediately think about Kirk and company when they think Star Trek. I doubt any of the other Star Trek series made, such as DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise would make a film that many would want to see, so, to make a Star Trek film, they simply have nowhere else to go. I'm afraid of this one.


There hasn't been an original Trek film since Search for Spock.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: Number20
It seems like they are determined to do a Trek film, but don't really have anything they can make, so they are desperate. It seems like TNG has run out of stories. (As said with Nemesis, a blatant remake of Wrath of Khan.) Plus, most non-trekkies immediately think about Kirk and company when they think Star Trek. I doubt any of the other Star Trek series made, such as DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise would make a film that many would want to see, so, to make a Star Trek film, they simply have nowhere else to go. I'm afraid of this one.


There hasn't been an original Trek film since Search for Spock.


I think that film is really underrated.
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Yeah, it wasn't bad. Trek 4 (aka The One With The Whales) was the same story as Star Trek: The Motion Picture.