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Originally posted by: Shimraa
Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Originally posted by: Shimraa
i donno this might be stupid, but they could follow the show, and have harry and MJ fall into a portal, and both die.

which show was that?

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
A massive assumption is being made ... that IMDB is in any way a good resource for information on films that are still in production. It isn't.


I'm not saying it is, im just saying that if that truely is the plot then i dont have high hopes.

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the cartoon series.



a) 99.99% sure harry didnt fall in the portal
b) MJ didnt die in the cartoon (explanation is somewhat of a spoiler, but i can post it if you want)


Hotrod, good eye there. I got the feeling that it was fake when i saw it, but didnt even pick up that small sliver of red

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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
elizabethtown durnst = annoying

Raimi hasn't let me down. But bringing Gwen Stacy in at this time is bad mojo. It doesn't look like they have any plans of wrapping this up. I thought it was a trilogy - to end with III. Looks like money wins again, and I'm afraid the franchise will suffer for it.


I remember reading that Sony wanted to expand it to be six films instead of just three. Talk about overkill.
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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
elizabethtown durnst = annoying

Raimi hasn't let me down. But bringing Gwen Stacy in at this time is bad mojo. It doesn't look like they have any plans of wrapping this up. I thought it was a trilogy - to end with III. Looks like money wins again, and I'm afraid the franchise will suffer for it.


I remember reading that Sony wanted to expand it to be six films instead of just three. Talk about overkill.


I agree there, i mean, yeah, spidey has a ton of material/story line to work with. but i think as a general rule, anymore than 3 films in a series is pushing it (though there are exceptions), but a trilogy just seems to work best.

especially with spidey how the basically simplified (well drastically simplified) his love life and combined his 2 major love interests into 1 character and took MJ who he ends up with (only cause Gwen died).

there is just too much spidey stuff that the best approach is to take the major events that any casual fan would know about and making them 3 movies. Hence the Green Goblin as his first enemy (even though he fought Doc Ock first). Otherwise it would just be too long and you risk it going downhill because people loose interest (actors, directors, studio, even fans). Hence my problem with the venom story, way too much for one movie, its at least a 2 movie set on its own.

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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As long as Raimi and Maguire stay onboard, there's no limit to how many good Spidey movies could be made. If either one leaves, sayonara.
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Originally posted by: THX
As long as Raimi and Maguire stay onboard, there's no limit to how many good Spidey movies could be made. If either one leaves, sayonara.


that may be true, but i also think that the loss of one of the main characters can hurt the series too much. I mean if what someone (forget who) suggested earlier is the case (Dunst leaving so replacing MJ with Gwen) I like that approach better than recasting MJ as a way of keeping things going, unfortunatly i feel there is too much going on.

The way i would have done it (at least the first 3, more if i could keep them as good as the first 3)

1) way it was done
2) way it was done (possibly inserting more of connors and his research in, maybe have peter work in his lab helping with research, obviously missing lots of work cause of his spider-man identity)
3) if 2 was done the same, then id say go to harry as green goblin (maybe hobgoblin to add a 'new' villian (though hobgoblin was first, wont get into that though...)), though this could wait till a 4th movie in which case the more connors in 2 would come in, and do lizard as 3rd movie with green goblin II in 4

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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I THINK THAT THE COMIC BOOK COMMUNITY WOULD BE IN AN UPROAR IF MJ GETS KILLED OFF AND REPLACED BY GS. IT JUST F@#$S WITH COMIC BOOK CONTINUITY TOO MUCH. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THERE STUFF GETS A DRASTIC CHANGE LIKE THAT.

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Already blown when it was MJ in 1. If someone dies, it should be GS, or Aunt May, as they are both supposed to (sooner or later), but could be MJ 'cause of Dunst (who was miscast and would have been better as GS).
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Hotrod, are you certain that touch of red isn't part of a bloodied arm? Enough other blood is visible in the shot so I dunno.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

But how bold would it have been to have her die in the first? Spiderman tries to choose both (the busload of people AND the main squeeze, that is), but fails with a tragic loss, making his final battle with GG all the more personal. Of course, in that case it would have made more sense to use Gwen Stacy...

Sadly, this is how James Cameron originally wrote it. But that didn't get filmed.
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Could've been worse - could've been Christensen
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LOL, it's like AOTC all over again!

Yeah, in the animated series of Spider-Man, GG threw MJ into a portal and she disappeared. She returned later on in the series without so much as an explanation, but then I guess, what else is a portal good for, other than safe-keeping?!

I don't really care much for Spider-Man continuity, even in the comics these days - it's been FUBAR'd since well before the movies. Gwen wasn't the only love interest they merged into the character of MJ - after all, it was his first love (or maybe I should say 'crush', as they never got together) Liz Allan who ended up marrying Harry Osborn. This is no big deal for me, as Liz Allan was a pretty nothing character in the grand scheme of things.

And Darth Simon, what the heck are you talking about? Hobgoblin was introduced WAAAY later in the comics than Green Goblin...in fact, I read the issue that introduced the Hobgoblin nought but a few days ago - GG and Doc Ock were mentioned in the past tense within the first few panels. Funny thing is, the same issue introduces MJ as well!
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a) 99.99% sure harry didnt fall in the portal


yeah post it i didnt watch the shadow wars saga so i dont know what happened. also which goblin did fall into the portal?
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Hotrod, are you certain that touch of red isn't part of a bloodied arm? Enough other blood is visible in the shot so I dunno.


The pic's from Spiderman 2 - Looks like Harry's house!

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Originally posted by: theredbaron
LOL, it's like AOTC all over again!

Yeah, in the animated series of Spider-Man, GG threw MJ into a portal and she disappeared. She returned later on in the series without so much as an explanation, but then I guess, what else is a portal good for, other than safe-keeping?!

they explained it, the cartoon mixed in the whole clone thing, sandman got some scientist to clone MJ but she was kinda like him, but still loved peter and tried to find him...blah blah blah, she ended up not being able to hold her molecules together.

then other stuff happens, some more fun portal stuff, Spidey finds out from Madam Web that MJ is still alive, so the series ends with him setting off to find her. last episode has him go to another alt universe where he meets up with Stan Lee, and it pretty much ends there. they could have taken it to another season, it was kind of a cop out ending

And Darth Simon, what the heck are you talking about? Hobgoblin was introduced WAAAY later in the comics than Green Goblin...in fact, I read the issue that introduced the Hobgoblin nought but a few days ago - GG and Doc Ock were mentioned in the past tense within the first few panels. Funny thing is, the same issue introduces MJ as well!


so did I, unfortunatly i had a break between #10 and #11 and then proceeded to read about 100 spidey comics in about 2 weeks, so i may have totally confused myself cause of a spidey overload.

*edit* though you're not totally correct either. Green Goblin first appears in #14 with MJ's first mention being #15 We then see MJ first in #42
the first issue with hobgoblin isnt until #238. So yeah, i made a mistake, must of been talking about the cartoon where hobgoblin is one of, if not the first enemy spidey fights that got me all confuzzeled, but your info above isnt qhite accurate either

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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I never liked Madam Web or that whole alternate dimensions/chosen one crap. Didn't fit Spider-Man's aesthetic.
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yeah thats when i stopped watching. hey did you guys ever like the saga where the mutations continue in peter, and he starts mutating more into a spider, like he grows more arms, and his head turned into a spider head.
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
yeah thats when i stopped watching. hey did you guys ever like the saga where the mutations continue in peter, and he starts mutating more into a spider, like he grows more arms, and his head turned into a spider head.


I've seen the complete series and enjoyed it. I do think they copped out at the end, but the series as a whole was good. The growing 2 extra pairs of arms actually happened in the comic (just recently read that one) and it also included Morbious. i found the similarities that were there amongst the many differences interesting.

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Originally posted by: theredbaron
LOL, it's like AOTC all over again!

Yeah, in the animated series of Spider-Man, GG threw MJ into a portal and she disappeared. She returned later on in the series without so much as an explanation, but then I guess, what else is a portal good for, other than safe-keeping?!

they explained it, the cartoon mixed in the whole clone thing, sandman got some scientist to clone MJ but she was kinda like him, but still loved peter and tried to find him...blah blah blah, she ended up not being able to hold her molecules together.

then other stuff happens, some more fun portal stuff, Spidey finds out from Madam Web that MJ is still alive, so the series ends with him setting off to find her. last episode has him go to another alt universe where he meets up with Stan Lee, and it pretty much ends there. they could have taken it to another season, it was kind of a cop out ending

And Darth Simon, what the heck are you talking about? Hobgoblin was introduced WAAAY later in the comics than Green Goblin...in fact, I read the issue that introduced the Hobgoblin nought but a few days ago - GG and Doc Ock were mentioned in the past tense within the first few panels. Funny thing is, the same issue introduces MJ as well!


so did I, unfortunatly i had a break between #10 and #11 and then proceeded to read about 100 spidey comics in about 2 weeks, so i may have totally confused myself cause of a spidey overload.

*edit* though you're not totally correct either. Green Goblin first appears in #14 with MJ's first mention being #15 We then see MJ first in #42
the first issue with hobgoblin isnt until #238. So yeah, i made a mistake, must of been talking about the cartoon where hobgoblin is one of, if not the first enemy spidey fights that got me all confuzzeled, but your info above isnt qhite accurate either

-Darth Simon



Well, this one I'm holding right in front of me right now (it's an Australian edition, but I don't think that makes a difference), it says it's from 1982, it's The Amazing Spider-Man #6, and it's titled In the Shadow of Evils Past. On the first page it has a caption saying "Stan Lee presents a momentous new episode in the life of the Amazing SPIDER-MAN." And in this comic, a petty criminal stumbles into Green Goblin's (spoken of in retrospect) lair, sells the information to a mysterious man in a hat and coat (who I can only assume is Kingsley), who in turn finds Norman Osborn's diary and goes around to all his secret storage areas, looting them and blowing them up.

This is the dialogue from the scene where he becomes the Hobgoblin:
Well, Norman Osborn may have died, but his legacy -- his power -- will live on! And this time, it shall be shaped by a man who knows how to use power!
"The Green Goblin is no more!"
"But in his place now stands --"
"-- The HOBGOBLIN!!"

That the last two lines are delivered with the Hobgoblin taking up the whole page, suggests to me that this is his first ever introduction.

But here's the thing! Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Felicia Hardy (The Black Cat), and Madame Web, are all mentioned in retrospect, and for some reason I find it hard to believe that all this could have happened in 5 issues!

And earlier on in this comic, Aunt May receives a chance call from her old friend Anna Watson. While they're on the phone, Mary Jane in the background (in a bikini, no less), walks up and kisses her Aunt Anna, telling her to say "hello" for her, and that she's off to the beach.

So there's my conundrum. I too thought that #14 was the introduction of the Green Goblin, and this comic in front of me proves that the Hobgoblin was afterwards - and yet clear as day - it says "No. 6" on the cover! Did they start the numbering all over again at any point?
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nullhttp://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man006.jpg

This is the original Amazing Spiderman #6, which came out in 1963. So if yours says 1982...
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Here's the first appearance of GG, July 1964
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MJ is first mentioned in #15 (Aug '64), first mentioned by name in #16 (Sep '64), first appears (although with her face obscured) in #25 (Jun '65), appears with face obscured again in #38 (July '66), and finally appears fully in #42 (Nov '66).
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theredbaron, think you could post a scan of MJ in the bikini? Just a thought.

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"In The Shadow Of Evils Past" is indeed the first appearance of the Hobgoblin, but it's from Amazing Spiderman #238 (March 1983). I'm not sure what you have there, redbaron.

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