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Originally posted by: greencapt
Actually doing my rounds of the movie news websites I see that supposedly someone at Columbia Pictures IS claiming that its a black costume. Hmmm.

All they say is:

You may think you’re looking at a black and white photo. Look closely, Spider-Man wears a black suit in Spider-Man 3. Tobey Maguire returns as Peter Parker / Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3. In Theaters 5/4/07


I still don't know. I mean, I realize that a movie studio would NEVER lie to us but...

just seems like a nebulous tease to me. Then again, I'm a cynical bastard.
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Well I'm no comic expert. I like Spidey but I know jack shit about him really, but for me it looks pretty cool. And if a symbiot being was to take over a body, why would you have a different outfit?
This kinda does make sense, even if it doesn't follow the comics 100%...but then what film does??

Aslo this pics looks so fucking cool as a desktop pic!!

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well i def think its a cool pic either way, i saved it to my hd

and i do think the costume is cool, but its just his normal costume in all black. the actual black costume was different, check out the link i posted above for some pics of it.

also, with the symbiot the costume wasnt actually a costume. The symbiot, which happened to be black, formed the costume. as far as i know (i could be wrong as ive not read all the comics, so am basing this mainly on the cartoon) he didnt need his web shooters any more (which the movie doesnt have anyway) but rather the costume would create the web.

In the cartoon, the symbiot also formed his regular clothes (or other 'disguises'), so when he got rid of it he was left in only boxers.

the symbiot being the spidey costume is also why his black costume is very similar to how venom appears. Think of the venom costume without the crazy face and fangs (just a normal head) and in the same build as spidey and you have spideys black cosutme. I do remember hearing/reading that spidey had made an actual black costum in design of the one he had with the symbiot but dont really know the details on that (if he used it, for how long, my guess would be if he used it once venom showed up he went back to the red/blue)

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Well I'm no comic expert. I like Spidey but I know jack shit about him really, but for me it looks pretty cool. And if a symbiot being was to take over a body, why would you have a different outfit?
This kinda does make sense, even if it doesn't follow the comics 100%...but then what film does??

Aslo this pics looks so fucking cool as a desktop pic!!


I agree its a great shot- kind of like Spidey goes to Sin City! And I really don't care much about comic-to-film continuity because there are certain things you can't do well in either format- I just wonder why you need Spider-Man himself in a symbiote costume AT ALL if in fact that is what they're going to do. It would be enough, IMHO, for the Venom story (again IF that is what they're doing) to JUST have Brock get taken over by a symbiote and have it, via his own psyche, mimic Spidey's costume.

Think about things that complicate films for audiences. S1 and S2 were basically straight forward with no hints of aliens and such- villains had 'real-world' explanations. So how do you make it similarly toned with any sort of 'Spidey finds alien symbiote, Spidey fights self with alien symbiote and wins, alien symbiote finds guy who hates Parker and makes him Venom, they fight'. Waaayyyy to complicated.

If they do a Venom story it would play much better like this: Random scientist (Grace?) works on some sort of nanotech blah blah blah experiment that of course gets out of hand and creates oooy black blobby stuff, Spidey intervenes to help and maybe gets sprayed with black stuff temporarily changing costume black (?) but black gooey stuff also covers someone else (say either Grace or... another person playing Brock who was on hand trying to get photos to beat Parker, Spidey ditches his suit realizing that the ooey black stuff is kinda alive, Venom created from rest of stuff (maybe joining with what little bit came off of Spidey). They fight, etc.

Its also been speculated that Sandman may only be in an opening teaser sequence similar to a Bond film which considering how early they revealed his character is very possible.
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon

In the cartoon, the symbiot also formed his regular clothes (or other 'disguises'), so when he got rid of it he was left in only boxers.

Yep same in the comic at least for awhile. Also gave him the ability for endless webshooting without having to wear webshooters. Of course they dropped the shooters in the films anyhow.

the symbiot being the spidey costume is also why his black costume is very similar to how venom appears. Think of the venom costume without the crazy face and fangs (just a normal head) and in the same build as spidey and you have spideys black cosutme. I do remember hearing/reading that spidey had made an actual black costum in design of the one he had with the symbiot but dont really know the details on that (if he used it, for how long, my guess would be if he used it once venom showed up he went back to the red/blue)


You're spot-on. The free floating symbiote was held prisoner by the Fantatic Four for awhile but escaped and stalked Spidey. For a few months afterward he did have a cloth black costume. When the symbiote found Brock and became Venom Spidey went back to his original threads (thanks to fan outcry at the time actually).

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You're spot-on. The free floating symbiote was held prisoner by the Fantatic Four for awhile but escaped and stalked Spidey. For a few months afterward he did have a cloth black costume. When the symbiote found Brock and became Venom Spidey went back to his original threads (thanks to fan outcry at the time actually).


it's been a few years since i read the comics..hell it's been more than a few years since they even came out, so correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember a short time where Venom was 'brand new' and Spidey was still in the (cloth) black suit, and Venom started out doing petty crime type stuff to turn public opinion against Spidey. I also remember Venom kidnapping Mary Jane. From a story-line standpoint, that was the reason Spiderman went back to the old Red & Blue suit


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Devilman-1369,

if you read the information on the link i posted earlier (reposted for your convenience) http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/himself/costume/black/index.html that i read after greencapt's reply it appears what you say is correct.

according to that page, he did continue to use the black costume (apparently Felicia made him some out of cloth) and basically used it off and on (depending on the writers preference). at some point he went all black after his last red/blue costume got destroyed. essentially he went back to the red/blue because MJ put him in his place (the page says pointed out that it reminded her of Venom)

he apparently has still worn it a few times (the site lists what comics) the reason being it makes him stealthy at night.

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
he apparently has still worn it a few times (the site lists what comics) the reason being it makes him stealthy at night.


And every hero needs the stereotypical 'little black cocktail costume'!
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We've seen "Black Oil" on The X-Files and when we saw Braniac this season on Smallville, he shape-shifted and moved in a black oil form. Greencapt is spot on ... don't overcomplicate the issue. Throw in the technology being developed from some alien source (say, materials brought back from John Jameson's moon walk referred to in Spidey 2) and you've got it.

Or even simpler, just a meteorite hitting NYC and Eddie Brock being at ground zero. No mad-scientist plot needed.

Edit: Or Spidey showing up at the scene, getting "taken over" by the symbiote ... and that's all. No deep alien plot, but still respectful to the otherworldly origins of Venom.
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*SNIP* Sorry - posted the teaser poster out of excitement, not realizing is was a page back...

Reminds me of the time when I was 14 I ended up prematurely...um...nevermind.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
This is like my 2nd sucessful thread.


Yeah, like you other thread has SO FEW replies.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Keaton IS Batman


I agree 100%. And this is coming from a kid who watched the Adam West shows religiously (what was I thinking?!). Burton's take on Batman was simply awesome; the way that he fleshed out the themes...man, I could just watch those films over and over.

I bet Keaton didn't want to do any more after Returns because Burton wasn't on it.

And I have to say, I thought Begins was a pretty solid Batman film. Looking forward to seeing what they do next...
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: maddog00
Agreed, Brock isn't a scrawny kid...but ten bucks says the suit is gonna be CGI and he'll be gigantic.


Even so, Grace doesn't have the presence and intensity that Brock needs to be a threat.

Besides, shouldn't they focus on finishing the storyline with Harry becoming the 2nd Green Goblin before jumping onto another villain? They can only drag out this build up to Harry becoming GG2 for so long before it becomes obnoxious.


I think they might be planning on making him the Hobgoblin rather than GG2...just my thoughts. But yes, the build-up was definitely there in S2 - I could even see it coming in the first film.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Schumaker needs to get back to his roots. I'm hoping for a sequel to D.C. Cab myself.

Meanwhile, killing off MJ would disservice the story. I kid about wanting that a lot because of my disdain for Kirsten Dunst ... or what she's become since the success of Spidey 1. All I have to say is she'd better show up with her game face on this time because she was the lone sour note in the otherwise pitch-perfect Spidey 2. And I'm not the only one who noticed.

Whenever any actor or actress gets too big for their britches, the Great Unwashed LOVES to see them get taken back down. Affleck. Halle Berry. Tom Cruise. Val Kilmer. All of these guys got their ego confused with their paycheck at some point. Kirsten's been teetering on that cliff herself.


But Val Kilmer has almost completely disappeared from the radar, while Affleck, Berry and Cruise most of all are still reigning. Too bad, because I always enjoyed Kilmer's performancese more than theirs. I'm almost tempted to pop the question of Cruise VS Kilmer or Affleck VS Kilmer in a fist fight, but to what avail I do not know.


Well, now Kilmer's actually starring in interesting movies instead of braindead blockbusters.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: sean wookie
This is like my 2nd sucessful thread.


Yeah, like you other thread has SO FEW replies.


Well going to take no. 1 soon.
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Remeber the comic thing that you got when you went to see x-men in the theater.
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IMO, They should have gone with a black suit that matches the comics, not because I'm a comic purist (if something needs to be changed to make a movie work, change it I say) but just because the comic suit was so super-cool, and this movie suit is just the regular suit but black.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
IMO, They should have gone with a black suit that matches the comics, not because I'm a comic purist (if something needs to be changed to make a movie work, change it I say) but just because the comic suit was so super-cool, and this movie suit is just the regular suit but black.


Agree with you 100% there YIYF, that was my thought when posting info on the original, and probably why there is some speculation as to if its just a black and white picture. The black costume, with the giant white spider was just cool.

I wonder if the comic spidey would still be using it if they never introduced venom.

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon

I wonder if the comic spidey would still be using it if they never introduced venom.


I think they wouldn't have kept using it. Like Superman, Spidey is an iconic character and the suit is a major part of that. The comics publishers often will use new suits for stunts but the fans always seem to go back to wanting the 'classic' look. Now in books like the X-Men, characters change costume every other issue or so so it just becomes part of the evolution of the series... but for the big solo characters? Nah.
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yeah, i think i would have to agree with that...like when superman became pure energy or whatever that was.

but with no venom, they wouldnt have had that big reason to not use it, so they may have used it more often. Like it may have been an alternate costume that he used on a fairly regular basis maybe mission dependant or during the night time.

I wonder how much of that was planned out. from what it said on Spiderfan.com it seemed like they were trying to have him use the black one. Im sure sometimes they try to change the costume and just end up going back to the original because the character is so iconic.

Slightly off topic but didnt Iron Man have a black/white/grey costume at one point or was that some other guy in the Iron Man world (im getting this from the spidey cartoon, when the had carnage)

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"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon

I wonder how much of that was planned out. from what it said on Spiderfan.com it seemed like they were trying to have him use the black one. Im sure sometimes they try to change the costume and just end up going back to the original because the character is so iconic.

Oh yeah- I was buying those issues at the time and they certainly *wanted* to keep using the black outfit but sales dropped after a short while and fans started writing in to change it back. (Them was da days when we didn't have no internet to bitch about stuff on!)

Slightly off topic but didnt Iron Man have a black/white/grey costume at one point or was that some other guy in the Iron Man world (im getting this from the spidey cartoon, when the had carnage)


Yup. Well sorta. Throughout the comic Tony Stark built several versions of the Iron Man armor- some just upgrades and some specialized (stealth, underwater, etc). Due to his alcoholism Tony Stark gave up being Iron Man for awhile and his friend Jim Rhodes took up the armor. When Tony came back to the land of the living, and around the time of using the black/gray/white armor, Jim set off to fight crime as 'War Machine' which allowed Stark to get back to the more classic styled armor.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/wmshmm2.GIF

Then again there was *also* the original Iron Man armour that was, like the original Hulk, all gray and bulky!

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