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Song Of The South - many projects, much info & discussion thread (Released) — Page 20

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I may be mistaken, but I'll mention it just in case. I think I have another copy of it, which looks like a VHSrip. (It still looks fairly good, though.) It's encoded to be NTSC. If I recall, it's obtainable on Fenopy, as a VIDEO_TS folder. Did any of the other ones mentioned have a menu? The one I have does, and I'd be willing to post screenshot(s) for confirmation and/or comparison.

Sure, that would be great! It's always interesting to see new versions...

I've taken some snapshots to share. Here are some links:

The Menu: http://i.imgur.com/4QHPI.png

Movie Screenshot 1 (Deinterlaced): http://i.imgur.com/UwWno.png

Movie Screenshot 2 (Deinterlaced): http://i.imgur.com/5yT90.png

Movie Screenshot 3 (Deinterlaced): http://i.imgur.com/b7aLL.png

1986 Theatrical Trailer (1972 Television Trailer also included): http://i.imgur.com/M5qIb.png

Another Movie Screenshot to show Interlacing: http://i.imgur.com/vK6lg.jpg

Does anyone else here have this? If it's just mine, could it be a good resource? Hopefully this has been helpful, and please keep the info coming.

EDIT: I think I should have mentioned earlier that there is a Walt Disney Home Video logo at the very beginning. Because of that, the aspect ratio being 4:3 despite being filmed at 1.37 (according to imdb), and the obvious interlacing, I'm pretty certain this was sourced from a VHS tape.

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I'm pretty sure that is the version known as the "Coal Black" disc, as it has a hidden Easter egg featuring the Warner Bros. short, "Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs." I suppose it could be uploaded to Myspleen - I don't think it is there yet - but it is not all that interesting. It is, IIRC, a Hong Kong LD rip, which had bad 3:2 pulldown as well as colors that were noticeably off. Thanks for posting the screenshots!

 

In other news, I have a low-fade, 16mm print of Song of the South. It is cobbled together with one Fuji reel, one LPP reel, and another low-fade of unknown vintage. In any case, it is made off of the negative (not a dupe or reduction) so it is really clear and in great condition. I have been messing around with trying to get it scanned, but tests have shown the results to be less than desirable.

Basically, I'm putting this out there to see if anyone on this board could help me make a telecine machine, similar to the one that -1 and cinch made (with the digital camera setup.)

If anyone has any assistance, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Oh, I really hope that your print gets a successful telecine treatment! Forgive any redundancy, but it might be a good idea to contact the user named 'puggo', since he's had great success with the machines from here:

http://moviestuff.tv/

Also, If that's not an option, I own ones of these types of things, and I'm led to believe that they can still maintain good quality while being much more affordable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OdSJbWBro
(I have a different one. Also, you'd need a variable-speed projector.)

Please keep us posted with any developments! :)

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Ok, so I missed the anniversary by a few days, but I broke out Song of the South tonight for a family screening, and was once again blown away by how good it looked. I'm determined to get this backed up - it is an awesome source, and I can't believe how much detail there is in this print!

The pics I took were just from R2, and from the pre-screening/cleaning process, so they weren't shot against my proper screen (and were shot in the afternoon) so the lines you see running through the pics are not on the print (obviously). I've got a video uploading to Vimeo right now, and I'll post a link as soon as I can.

Anyway, without further ado, here are the pics:

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Hmm, that's interesting... the animation segments are full frame, and the live action segments are 1.85:1.  I would have thought Disney would have done the reverse (ala BRAINSTORM - expand the screen for the fantasy to heighten it, ala WIZARD OF OZ going from sepia to color).

Then again, it does make sense to the degree that the Brer Rabbit stories are a contained fiction created by Uncle Remus, thus the smaller frame for the animated stories in turn makes them more intimate.

I could possibly see some color enhancement (at least for the live action scenes, as the image above appears a bit washed out), but otherwise, I would say this is not only the best this has EVER looked but just the fact that the live-action scenes are widescreen make it pretty unique.

         

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I don't think the action is widescreen - it is all Academy ratio. I was just moving around as I took the shots (the action is taken straight on, the animation I was standing a bit off to the side), but I agree - this is the best this film has ever looked. :)

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Nobody was shooting 1:85 in 1946, trust me. ;)

Nice print you have there, ww12345!

Are you sitting on any other forbidden Disney footage?

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That's what I thought... :)

I don't have any more "forbidden footage" that I know of.

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Hi. Have you found a way to convert your film ? If not, maybe this could help.

Thanks to let us know of your progress.

 

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Yes, I've used a unit similar to that. It doesn't work as well as you would think, and outputs much less than SD.

I am building a telecine 1fps frame-by-frame out of a 16mm projector, but would be glad to take any advice on how to convert the projector...

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I see, sorry to hear about that... Let's hope that the new device will work. By the way, just for curiosity, how did you do your first attempt ? Have you found the instructions somewhere on the internet ?

Thanks let me know

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ww12345 said:

Ok, so I missed the anniversary by a few days, but I broke out Song of the South tonight for a family screening, and was once again blown away by how good it looked. I'm determined to get this backed up - it is an awesome source, and I can't believe how much detail there is in this print!

The pics I took were just from R2, and from the pre-screening/cleaning process, so they weren't shot against my proper screen (and were shot in the afternoon) so the lines you see running through the pics are not on the print (obviously). I've got a video uploading to Vimeo right now, and I'll post a link as soon as I can

 

Wow. I don't venture outside of the Star Wars stuff too often, and I am by no means an expert, but those pictures look fantastic to me. I would absolutely love to see this get preserved in a high-quality manner somehow. Song of the South has interested me for a long time now, and it would be great to see it in great quality.

May the Force be with you.

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@monks19: The first attempt was not with this footage, but was just black and white (to test contrast and brightness) and the results were not that great. I used an Epson V750 scanner, set at the highest DPI, and it just wasn't that high of resolution. I think it is because the scanner glass was in the way, but I couldn't think of a way to eliminate that...

 

@SS4DarthPayne: That's the idea. This is one of my favorite movies, so my plan is to preserve it at the highest possible resolution so that everyone can enjoy it. :)

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@SS4DarthPayne: That's the idea. This is one of my favorite movies, so my plan is to preserve it at the highest possible resolution so that everyone can enjoy it. :)

Awesome. Keep us posted. I would offer to help, but I am not sure if I could in any way haha.

May the Force be with you.

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Thank you VERY MUCH for this clip. It looks stunning!

Should you ever manage to make a copy, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not crop it in any way, the way Disney always does. Anyway, it is an absolutely amazing print you have there!

(Oh, and by the way, hi to all! Really beautiful forum here! :) )

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Hi, just a question if you go to a good film transfer lab, how much will cost to get it transfered ?

Maybe we can collectively raise some funds to finance the transfer and share it ? Yes, I do know it'll be more gratifying to do the transfer the transfer by yourself, but if it still doesn't work, there is that solution in last resort with the adventage to be done by a reputable professional.

If your new way does work effectively, I hope you will share with us dummies (:-) how you did it because other people will be able to do so with other film rarities and also specialised labs for film transer are becoming scarce and their prices aren't gettint cheaper (especially with the digital technology takeover on films).

Let us know of your progress (especially on the process) if possible.

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The problem wouldn't really be in cost, but in finding a lab that would do it. MVerta knows of one, but last I checked it was close to $3-4000 to do a transfer. Granted, that would be for a first class transfer, but it is still nothing to sneeze at. Otherwise, a pool of money could go to buying one of the HD units like Puggo has - those run about $5000, IIRC.

I'll definitely keep people posted on the projector process. I wonder if I should start a new thread?

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ww12345 said:

The problem wouldn't really be in cost, but in finding a lab that would do it. MVerta knows of one, but last I checked it was close to $3-4000 to do a transfer. Granted, that would be for a first class transfer, but it is still nothing to sneeze at. Otherwise, a pool of money could go to buying one of the HD units like Puggo has - those run about $5000, IIRC.

I'll definitely keep people posted on the projector process. I wonder if I should start a new thread?

Definitely start a new thread, specifically for the homemade telecine machine.

It would help us by getting suggestions from other people and our design might help others in the future; if we ever get it working, that is.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Sounds like a plan - where should I start it?

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Sounds like a plan - where should I start it?

Good question. How-To's and Technical Discussions seems best, but I don't think it'd get enough views there, so I'd say to start it in Other Preservations and Fan Projects.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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I have a PAL 4:3 version of SotS from TV, but it's field blended.