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Bobocop said:

Now keeping Luke's last name as Skywalker with an "old wizard" called "Old Ben" Kenobi so close by when they're supposed to be hiding? Now that's pushing it. (I realize it wasn't originally quite like that until Empire and Jedi, but its an early example of Lucas' retconning without covering all his bases)

 
I blame the prequels for this. Even after ESB and ROTJ, this didn't seem that absurd, because Tattooine really felt like an out of the way speck of dust in an enormous galaxy full of of the "speck of dust" planets.

But by tying the planet so close to Anakin, and making it a location that we see in all three prequels, it seems like a common stop when traversing the galaxy.  It suddenly make Vader and Palpatine look like complete idiots.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

did Tatooine become a dead place only after the empire took over?

Actually I'd say that's about right. Darth Vader would know the planet; he could easily bring down restrictions on the businesses.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Sadako said:

Sound in space is sometimes handwaved by creators as something that the ship's computer creates for the benefit of the pilots. I can buy that, I suppose...

Wait, what?

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TV's Frink said:

Sadako said:

Sound in space is sometimes handwaved by creators as something that the ship's computer creates for the benefit of the pilots. I can buy that, I suppose...

Wait, what?

Basically, if someone farts outside the Millennium Falcon in space, the onboard computer will simulate the sound of a fart so that it will appear that the guy's fart in making noise through the hull of the ship, even though there really is no fart sound passing through the vacuum of space.

Frankly, it's a stupid explanation, just like "relativistic shielding".

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So does the ship's computer create the sound for us watching the movie outside the ship?

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Exactly.

I just like the noises, I don't need an explanation. The only thing I'm interested in, is that TIE fighters go rrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhrrrrrrrrooooooooaaaaaahhhh, and I don't care why.

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Why is it a stupid explanation that the ship simulates noises for the benefit of the occupants? As I said before, it makes sense to give enemy ships a distinct sound so that gunners and pilots can orient everything in space. Imagine how disconcerting it would be to have to coordinate a defense from both hemispheres of the Falcon, especially without sound to guide you. All you have is the tiny monitor with little arrows for ships, and the windows don't exactly give a panoramic view of space.

I will fully agree that it's unnecessary to actually state this process, but I think it's quite clever as far as retcons go.

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Perhaps I missed something in the conversation, but it's stupid because we're out in space, watching events unfold.  If "space sound" is heard in the ship, fine, whatever, but why would we hear it outside the ship?

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This space probably isn't a vacuum like ours is.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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TV's Frink said:

Perhaps I missed something in the conversation, but it's stupid because we're out in space, watching events unfold.  If "space sound" is heard in the ship, fine, whatever, but why would we hear it outside the ship?

I was only talking about sound inside of ships. Sound outside of spaceships shouldn't need an explanation, as it's the default way of depicting space in these types of movies.

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I recently watched a documentary about how the Codex Sinaiticus put some got some Christians into a spin because it's version of the gospel of Mark ends with the Angel telling the Marys that Jesus had risen but they are too afraid to tell anyone.

By inference they must have told someone or God revealed this to someone else or how else are we to know the tale? But apparently to some without a more direct explanation of how the good news got out the story falls apart, even though you have miracles and the like popping up throughout the text.

Similarly the mind game I play is that the camera crew exist inside an air-filled space pod. So the sounds in space are caused by outside vibrations of the hull making there way to the microphone through the air in the pod but where that puts John Williams and the LSO microscopic symbionts only know. The sounds got in the mix we can infer this by our hearing them we don't need to know how they got there for the story to work.

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FrankT said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

did Tatooine become a dead place only after the empire took over?

Actually I'd say that's about right. Darth Vader would know the planet; he could easily bring down restrictions on the businesses.

 The Vader we meet in the original film doesn't seem to wield that sort of power. Remember, at least one official is openly contemptuous of him.

Stepping all over a local governor's toes, (outside of doing his job for the Emperor) would cause all sorts of questions to be asked.

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Bingowings said:

 

I recently watched a documentary about how the Codex Sinaiticus put some got some Christians into a spin because it's version of the gospel of Mark ends with the Angel telling the Marys that Jesus had risen but they are too afraid to tell anyone.

By inference they must have told someone or God revealed this to someone else or how else are we to know the tale? But apparently to some without a more direct explanation of how the good news got out the story falls apart, even though you have miracles and the like popping up throughout the text.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark#The_ending_of_the_gospel_of_Mark

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Erikstormtrooper said:

I just had a weird thought (a tad off topic) while thinking about the parallels between Episode I and SW (Ep IV).

Amidala is the MacGuffin of Episode I. She is the Death Star plans.

 But she's clearly never going to sign it, so when the data's analyzed a weakness will not be found. :)

Unless they find her exhaust port.  Then they could send in one-man fighters to fly down her trench and drop a proton torpedo.  Victory achieved!

         

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

Sadako said:

Sound in space is sometimes handwaved by creators as something that the ship's computer creates for the benefit of the pilots. I can buy that, I suppose...

Wait, what?

Basically, if someone farts outside the Millennium Falcon in space, the onboard computer will simulate the sound of a fart so that it will appear that the guy's fart in making noise through the hull of the ship, even though there really is no fart sound passing through the vacuum of space.

Frankly, it's a stupid explanation, just like "relativistic shielding".

 Don't let the writers of FAMILY GUY read this.. you KNOW what will happen next.

         

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Monroville said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

Sadako said:

Sound in space is sometimes handwaved by creators as something that the ship's computer creates for the benefit of the pilots. I can buy that, I suppose...

Wait, what?

Basically, if someone farts outside the Millennium Falcon in space, the onboard computer will simulate the sound of a fart so that it will appear that the guy's fart in making noise through the hull of the ship, even though there really is no fart sound passing through the vacuum of space.

Frankly, it's a stupid explanation, just like "relativistic shielding".

 Don't let the writers of FAMILY GUY read this.. you KNOW what will happen next.

 Don't worry, I don't think they can read.  They certainly can't write.

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Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

 Those are like two completely different things. Would Star Wars for instance be a very interesting story if the whole Star Wars galaxy remained under the Empire's reign? Of course not.

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Hold on, Ryan just agreed with your point and now you're disagreeing with him? I don't get it...

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

 Those are like two completely different things. Would Star Wars for instance be a very interesting story if the whole Star Wars galaxy remained under the Empire's reign? Of course not.

 I think maybe you've missed my point... and my joke

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