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Originally posted by: R2-G2
You asked what how I would have written it and I told you in basic terms, we were only talking about the test of Anakin's Jedi ability. Where were Anakin's character motivations and where is the imagination in a blood test or a souped-up version of the Zener ESP card test? I haven't written a movie script based on the idea, its just an idea and one that I feel is superior to what was in the film, but hey, its just my opinion. I could go into it more and talk about the character motivations, but obviously, you do not want to have that discussion. I know you don't like me, but dismiss the idea on its merit and not because you have a personal distaste for me because I am disagreeing with you I wish you would put as much thought into analyzing the quality of the prequel films as you do into savaging my idea on the sole basis of trying to insult me.


You're right. Just because I think your ideas suck is no reason to be rude. I apologize.

Let's talk about character motivations. Give me yours. I like what Lucas has done, so we can skip that.

Following is what I hope is a bit more articulate breakdown of the circumstances surrounding the training of the Skywalkers.

Anakin- traditionally, he was too old for the Jedi Council to train him... but he was trained anyway because the Council knew that Qui-Gon (and later Obi-Wan) believed that Anakin was the Chosen One and would train him, Anakin, with or without the Council's approval. So by giving their approval, they were also steering the ship, the logic being that Anakin's training couldn't possibly go wrong with experts like Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan guiding him. (As a side note, I think the Council might've been okay if they'd simply rejected Anakin from the start and stuck to it, even though that obviously pissed him off. They might also have been okay if they'd simply agreed to train him right from the start. But rejecting him and then changing their minds later resulted in pissing off the one guy who would later be capable of taking them all down.)

Luke- traditionally, he was also too old for the Jedi Council to train him... problem being that there was no more Jedi Council, no Republic and no more Jedi except for Obi-Wan and (later just) Yoda, it felt wise to train Luke so he would topple Palpatine and Vader (who had taken over the entire damn government) and restore freedom to the galaxy and re-establish the Jedi Order.

Different circumstances led to those two being trained... both of whom were trained under non-traditional terms.

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oh, I'm still waiting for those groaner lines from ANH and ESB.



I've watched most of ANH, focusing on dialog. The quotes will be ready... eventually.

- Trentobi
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Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, trentobi.

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You're right. Just because I think your ideas suck is no reason to be rude. I apologize.

Let's talk about character motivations. Give me yours. I like what Lucas has done, so we can skip that.

Since you've already decided to not like my ideas, I don't see the point in discussing them just to let you savage them. You said it sucks, but do not offer reasons why. If you are biased towards Lucas fine, if you think his way was the best way, then there is no point in discussing an alternative idea.
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Following is what I hope is a bit more articulate breakdown of the circumstances surrounding the training of the Skywalkers.

Anakin- traditionally, he was too old for the Jedi Council to train him... but he was trained anyway because the Council knew that Qui-Gon (and later Obi-Wan) believed that Anakin was the Chosen One and would train him, Anakin, with or without the Council's approval. So by giving their approval, they were also steering the ship, the logic being that Anakin's training couldn't possibly go wrong with experts like Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan guiding him. (As a side note, I think the Council might've been okay if they'd simply rejected Anakin from the start and stuck to it, even though that obviously pissed him off. They might also have been okay if they'd simply agreed to train him right from the start. But rejecting him and then changing their minds later resulted in pissing off the one guy who would later be capable of taking them all down.)

Luke- traditionally, he was also too old for the Jedi Council to train him... problem being that there was no more Jedi Council, no Republic and no more Jedi except for Obi-Wan and (later just) Yoda, it felt wise to train Luke so he would topple Palpatine and Vader (who had taken over the entire damn government) and restore freedom to the galaxy and re-establish the Jedi Order.

Different circumstances led to those two being trained... both of whom were trained under non-traditional terms.

All of this is just another "fan theory". No matter how logical it may be, none of what you speak of is actually born out of the dialogue that appears in the movie. You are offering a logical theory on how to explain it, but unless the movie addressed this issue itself in scenes and dialogue, it remains just that, another "theory". If you can cite the passages in the script that support your supposition, it would have more credence.

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oh, I'm still waiting for those groaner lines from ANH and ESB.
- R2-G2

I've watched most of ANH, focusing on dialog. The quotes will be ready... eventually. - Trentobi
Still waiting for all the lines that make people cringe in ANH and ESB. Surely they would be easy enough to come up with, I mean, there are so many, right?
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