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Prediction for Star Wars X, XI, and XII

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Rey Skywalker has vanished.
In her absence, the sinister
SECOND ORDER has risen from
the ashes of the First Order
and will not rest until
Rey, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

With the support of the
THIRD REPUBLIC, General Poe Dameron
leads a brave REVOLT.
He is desperate to find his
friend (nothing else) Rey and gain her
help in restoring peace
and justice to the galaxy.

Poe has sent his most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Mandalore, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Rey’s whereabouts.…

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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OutboundFlight said:

Rey Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
SECOND ORDER has risen from
the ashes of the First Order
and will not rest until
Rey, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

With the support of the
THIRD REPUBLIC, General Poe Dameron
leads a brave REVOLT.
He is desperate to find his
friend (nothing else) Rey and gain her
help in restoring peace
and justice to the galaxy.

Poe has sent his most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Mandalore, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Rey’s whereabouts.…

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I predict that I won’t be watching them.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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OutboundFlight said:

Rey Skywalker has vanished.
In her absence, the sinister
SECOND ORDER has risen from
the ashes of the First Order
and will not rest until
Rey, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

With the support of the
THIRD REPUBLIC, General Poe Dameron
leads a brave REVOLT.
He is desperate to find his
friend (nothing else) Rey and gain her
help in restoring peace
and justice to the galaxy.

Poe has sent his most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Mandalore, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Rey’s whereabouts.…

The only right answer.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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I predict that since there was a 16 year gap between the originals and the prequels and a ten year gap between the prequels and sequels, the SuperSequels will begin in 2028 after Disney has gotten a better hold on their IP.

The stories will be concerned with the rebuilding of the New Alliance or whatever it will be called, with a new set of leads and cameo appearances from Poe and Finn. One of the new leads will be a student under Master Rey in her new Jedi Order as they team up with an adolescent Grogu who is on his first mission apart from Ahsoka and a pilot who has graduated from Poe’s class at the Alliance academy.

These characters will discover the true meaning of friendship while hanging out with Ezra and his space whales and fighting a new terrifying threat - TIME. That’s right, this one has time travel so we can go back and see all the best moments from each trilogy ‘one last time’ with our old favorites rendered with perfect deepfake technology, and they will all come back for one last adventure together.

You heard it here first. 😉

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Even if Episode 9 were killer bombad fantastic, I don’t think an Episode 10-12 would be a good idea. But with the Episode 9 we got, it looks like a fourth trilogy would just be at best, a really boring story with characters that were kinda cool in Episodes 7&8 but got neutered in Episode 9, and at worst, literally just a redo of a sequel trilogy.

If we see anything about building a New New Republic while Rey rebuilds the Jedi order (or builds the Schmedi Order or whatever), that’s just a redo of a sequel trilogy, but this time without the OT trio cast. I’m a fan of Episodes 7&8, but if that happened, I’d rather they just decanonize the sequels and not pretend that this trilogy wasn’t a redo. Because they’d have a very hard time convincing me it wasn’t.

The best case scenario I think for a fourth trilogy is if it came out decades down the line, when John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, and Oscar Isaac are very old, and they’d be cameos at best with really minor roles.

I truly think Episode 9 is the last one, though. They really don’t need to make new Episodes like they did before, even if 50 years from now, they run out of stuff to make and want a rebirth of Star Wars like they did with Episodes 1 and 7, I don’t think they need an Episode 10 for that. They can just go out and make a new saga now.

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I think it would be a missed opportunity to not see what happened with the characters from the sequel trilogy. I hope they do it while their young enough to still be in some actions scenes.

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If Kylo wasn’t dead it would be good to see what else he might go through. Imagine if the next wise old teacher archetype was him. I would care more about bringing Rey back if she wasn’t now powered by evil super-blood.

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The real question is how can you have conflict when the galaxy is at peace, i don’t think you can do the Sith/Empire storyline a third time. Nor can you do superweapons again.

Seeing the Republic restored and the Jedi order rebuilt wouldn’t take a whole nother trilogy.

They fell into the same problems with the EU. Their solution was to create a new enemy the Vong.

Then they inevitably fell into rinse repeat civil war, Jedi/Sith conflict again.

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I think if the “Skywalker Saga” is supposed to be over, whatever the new trilogy is will (or at least should) have nothing to do with it. Frankly, I don’t think they could do with the sequel characters what the sequels did with the original trilogy’s characters. Those movies only exist in the way they do because of the three-and-a-half decade-long cultural phenomenon that the original trilogy was, and since the prequels and sequels didn’t become that, trying to use the same formula for the second batch of sequels would be a wasted effort.

This is why my big dumb post here says I think they should jump hundreds of years into the future. Give us a new galaxy to explore, divorced from any of the antiquated iconography we’ve seen for the last forty years. Give us a villainous force that is more than just “evil military government”, and a hero that is more driven by wanting to be in the plot than the plot happening to them. If you wanna keep the force around, make the conflict more than binary light-side/dark-side. That’s why I like the idea of a corporation commercializing and selling the force itself. Every person who buys (however the hell that is supposed to work, these are broad strokes here) is participating in something pretty obviously corrupt and against the idea of the force, but they’re not necessarily all soldiers in a war against everything that isn’t them like the empire is (at least, not publicly).]

But that’s only if you want to make more weird action-adventure stories. The upside to the sequels being too similar to the OT is that you actually could use a lot of the original ideas for the sequels that Lucas came up with, where the third batch of movies is about building a society from the ashes of a totalitarian dictatorship. With that in mind, you totally could make something more final feeling if you absolutely had to just pick up where Rise of Skywalker left off. The problem is I’m not totally sure how you’d craft that trilogy and keep it about space adventures. The prequels in large part struggled because the commentary on how western capitalist democracies fall into fascist dictatorship is kind of at-odds with a lot of the action and adventure, and I think that a society-rebuilding story would fall into a lot of the same trappings, because if I’m honest, the world presented by Star Wars as a film series is not conducive to complex issues. Maybe someone could do a better job than Lucas (okay, well, obviously this is true), but I think the prequels have some fundamental issues in how they construct their themes in relation to their content, and I think this hypothetical set of sequels would struggle with them too.

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JadedSkywalker said:

The real question is how can you have conflict when the galaxy is at peace, i don’t think you can do the Sith/Empire storyline a third time. Nor can you do superweapons again.

Reopening the ending RotJ had was 100% fine, at least in the political side of things. The New Republic failing would have given them the opportunity to dig deeper into a more permanent solution. Especially now, after the prequels and the Old EU and the New EU making the Rebellion out to be an attempt to restore the Republic. Because you can’t just go back to how things were before the dark times, that’s what gave you the dark times.

It kind of makes for an interesting story if the first attempt to stop fascism in the galaxy wasn’t super successful because they weren’t thinking about how to prevent another fascist from taking power, they only thought about taking out the fascist currently in power.

Episode 9 should have addressed how to build a new society, not just a New New Republic, and how it would avoid the flaws of the Republic that led to the Empire and the First Order. But that’s a little bit off topic. What matters is that what comes next for the galaxy after Episode 9 - it should put an end to this particular conflict. They should have thought about how to prevent another fascist from taking power where their parents did not. Especially because the Last Jedi did address these issues, so it’s not like it’s an idea completely removed from the sequel trilogy.

They only really get that ticket to undo the solid ending once. You have one opportunity, and if they reopen Episode 9’s new ending, it would be kind of ridiculous. From a storytelling perspective, it erodes any trust in the finality of an ending, but also in-universe, it makes Rey’s generation look like dumbasses. Leia’s generation gets a pass, they were dealing with something new, but you should have known better.

So, obviously the conflict of a second sequel trilogy can’t be Rebels vs Empire or even Republic vs Empire, but it also can’t be something like Republic vs CIS or Republic vs (Insert political group here), because it’ll make Rey’s generation look like real dumbasses if they didn’t think about how to deal with them either. Maybe if the political group was so foreign to anything the galaxy had seen before (and therefore something so out of the box I doubt most writers would be able to come up with it, because of the similarity between the galaxy’s politics and the real world’s), you could justify it, but I doubt it.

I also think something like Republic vs Cartels would be a bad idea, because it’s implied that the Hutts or the Pykes or Crimson Dawn all kind of only exist because the Republic, later the Empire, allow them to exist. The New New Republic or whatever allowing them to exist also makes Rey’s generation look like dumbasses. Maybe they could simply not be strong enough to take on the criminal underworld, but that feels so weak and disconnected from the conflicts of Episodes 1-9, that I don’t know why you’d even bother calling that trilogy Episodes 10-12. Might as well just call it a small spinoff series.

The same sort of goes for something like a Yuuzhan Vong invasion. It would be so disconnected from Episodes 1-9 that there’s no point in calling it Episodes 10-12, unless you pull some really sketchy “Palpatine did nothing wrong he was trying to save the galaxy” shit.

Plus, with how Episode 9 ends in pretty much the same spot as RotJ, any post-TRoS media involving struggling to rebuild the galaxy, or rebuild the Jedi, or Imperial/FO remnants, really has no reason to be post-TRoS. Post-TRoS Rey might as well be post-RotJ Luke, any story about Rey rebuilding the Jedi would probably be better told with Luke. Same with Finn and Poe and Rose or Jannah or whoever rebuilding the Republic. You’d need a really good reason why it has to be them (and “Oh, in canon Luke/Leia/whoever was up to XYZ when this would’ve had to have taken place” isn’t a good enough reason, most people aren’t reading the New EU and aren’t going to know or care). I don’t think TRoS gives enough of a difference between its ending and RotJ’s ending to justify really anything.

tl;dr: There’s no good conflict for an Episode 10-12. I’ve spent way too long writing this, I have no life.

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The difference between the endings of ROTJ and TROS is that the former was concerned with a small ‘insignificant’ rebellion targeting the head of a galaxy-wide Empire which has had 25 years to become entrenched, whereas the latter merely prevented a new incursionary force from gaining a hold on a galaxy that had been under the control of a democratic republic for decades.

As much as I give TFA grief for resetting the universe, there’s at least a good argument to be made that the Empire was too large and established to be defeated as easily as it is portrayed in ROTJ, thus making some sense of its return. There’s much less reason for the First Order to come back, since it was never well-established and was defeated by a popular uprising from all corners of the galaxy, not just a small military organization like the Rebel Alliance.

I don’t like the way TROS handled things, but at least now there’s a good case to be made that things are different now, as opposed to after ROTJ.

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SparkySywer said:

Episode 9 should have addressed how to build a new society, not just a New New Republic, and how it would avoid the flaws of the Republic that led to the Empire and the First Order. But that’s a little bit off topic. What matters is that what comes next for the galaxy after Episode 9 - it should put an end to this particular conflict. They should have thought about how to prevent another fascist from taking power where their parents did not. Especially because the Last Jedi did address these issues, so it’s not like it’s an idea completely removed from the sequel trilogy.

I don’t want Star Wars to address anything political. It is a Space Opera where people have laser swords. It is escapist fantasy. The Prequels tried to have “ideas”, and these were just unwelcome and out of place in a popcorn blockbuster.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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NeverarGreat said:

Star Wars has always been political.

And if fighting against fascism offends the political sensibilities of some viewers, then they should be offended.

Zombie84 wrote the Secret History of Star Wars; the best source for what these films are all about. Comic books and Lensmen are the main inspiration. Any politics are tangential to the action. And any Heroes Journey stuff is window dressing at best. And the fight against some sort of tyranny is an old trope, just to give all the fun action some sort of rough framework.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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NeverarGreat said:

I don’t like the way TROS handled things, but at least now there’s a good case to be made that things are different now, as opposed to after ROTJ.

That’s a fair point and I agree. But I don’t think the state of the galaxy post-TRoS is differentiated enough from RotJ for there to be a significant difference between Rey or Luke rebuilding the Jedi, or Poe or Leia rebuilding the Republic, or whatever comes next.

Maybe spinoff material can pick up the slack for TRoS, but I don’t think an Episode 10 should rely on ancillary media to be understood.

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SparkySywer said:

Episode 9 should have addressed how to build a new society, not just a New New Republic, and how it would avoid the flaws of the Republic that led to the Empire and the First Order. But that’s a little bit off topic. What matters is that what comes next for the galaxy after Episode 9 - it should put an end to this particular conflict. They should have thought about how to prevent another fascist from taking power where their parents did not. Especially because the Last Jedi did address these issues, so it’s not like it’s an idea completely removed from the sequel trilogy.

I don’t want Star Wars to address anything political. It is a Space Opera where people have laser swords. It is escapist fantasy. The Prequels tried to have “ideas”, and these were just unwelcome and out of place in a popcorn blockbuster.

The complaint about the politics in the prequels is a bit of a misnomer. Political storylines are interesting, and (although I personally wasn’t a fan) it’s been well received. IIRC, even at the time. But don’t quote me on that. The Parliamentary Procedure in the prequels was the bad part.

Putting some depth into how the Republic fell and the Empire rose from its ashes, that’s interesting. “Tabled, this motion is… Or is it?” is not.

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theprequelsrule said:

NeverarGreat said:

Star Wars has always been political.

And if fighting against fascism offends the political sensibilities of some viewers, then they should be offended.

Zombie84 wrote the Secret History of Star Wars; the best source for what these films are all about. Comic books and Lensmen are the main inspiration. Any politics are tangential to the action. And any Heroes Journey stuff is window dressing at best. And the fight against some sort of tyranny is an old trope, just to give all the fun action some sort of rough framework.

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“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the proposed domination of the author." - Tolkien

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Rodney-2187 said:

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the proposed domination of the author." - Tolkien

A nice quote. A reviewer once praised Star Wars for its concepts BECAUSE they were so vague. That allowed it reach the widest possible audience. This was particularly true in regards to The Force (at least in the OT). The concept behind it was so vague that person could read any religion into that suited their egos…er, I mean spiritual journeys.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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Smart man, that Tolkien.

I think part of the problem of the prequels is that they couldn’t commit to being one of two things. They could have been either:

a) A mature, political, character-driven story about the fall of democracy.

or

b) A fun, swashbuckling space adventure for kids

George had his basic outline for the fall of the Republic all the way back in the 70s and 80s. The original opening crawl for Star Wars was going to be much longer and more detailed about the political backstory of the galaxy. Lucas trimmed it down for the sake of streamlining the story and not overloading the audience with too much exposition at once.

So, when the time came to make the prequels, George had still kept that outline of a deeply political story in his head all those years, but now he wanted to make it a kid-friendly action romp with goofy aliens. So the prequels suffered an identity crisis where they tried to be both things at once.

George was definitely inspired by real world events and politics to a large degree. Not to the point of outright allegory, in my opinion, but enough for people to see allegory if they looked for it. I remember, when RotS was coming out, there was a news story suggesting that the film’s plot was a critique of the Bush administration. It’s interesting what people see when they want to.

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Servii said:

b) A fun, swashbuckling space adventure for kids

I think George forgot that Star Wars was for the kid in all of us, and not just for kids. Hence poop jokes in TPM.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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I’m guessing that Lucasfilm will move away from numerical films in the future. I do think, eventually, we’ll get a set of films set in a post-TRoS galaxy (probably much further in the future) and those will basically be considered sequels to the Sequels, with the events of the nine episodes having all passed into legend. I’m betting the cast will be all new, but the story will likely fall into the same tired mold of “Dark Side rises again in some new form, heroes rise up to defeat it and restore balance.” The tone will probably start to move closer to the tone of the MCU, and the galaxy will be depicted as run down and fractured and Wild West-like rather than having a successful Republic.

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Servii said:

I’m guessing that Lucasfilm will move away from numerical films in the future. I do think, eventually, we’ll get a set of films set in a post-TRoS galaxy (probably much further in the future) and those will basically be considered sequels to the Sequels, with the events of the nine episodes having all passed into legend. I’m betting the cast will be all new, but the story will likely fall into the same tired mold of “Dark Side rises again in some new form, heroes rise up to defeat it and restore balance.” The tone will probably start to move closer to the tone of the MCU, and the galaxy will be depicted as run down and fractured and Wild West-like rather than having a successful Republic.

This is almost a certainty. I honestly believe that they will reboot the whole franchise at some point - like “Ultimate Marvel” back in the day (is that still around?).

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord