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opinions - how the release of the original to theatres was different than the new three films. — Page 2

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Tiptup said:

Anchorhead said:


Star Wars took the world by storm because that's exactly what it didn't set out to do. It was created with the idea of film first, franchise second. Once that changed, so did the quality of the story.


From everything I know of the production history of Empire, that art vs. franchise switch didn't really occur until the box-office returns came in for the film. Before that, George still had a passion for adding interesting story elements and he invented most of the key plot details. (Zombie can correct me if I'm wrong though.)


He always did, really. As sentimental and nice as Anchorhead expresses, its really not as accurate as it seems. Lucas retained merchandizing rights way back in 1973 when he started making it he had "visions of R2D2 mugs and action figures" when he was writing-- just as a fun tie-in the way they had robbie the robot toys in the 50's and stuff like that. Besides which, many feel ESB is a much better picture--whatever honesty Lucas had lost was made up by Kershner, who if you examine the behind-the-scenes history really believed in ESB and really tried to do something special with it, often to contrary of Lucas' wishes. Its Kershner's film, not Lucas', and I think thats why ESB is special. But the issue is very complicated, and cannot really be summed up so succinctly.
And really, thats another thread--I'm really enjoying reading these memories here, lets keep them coming. I'm not so much interested in debating what the technical truth behind the situation is because its interesting simply to hear the perspective of people who saw the film back then and how they view it, which is really the point of this thread.
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Lucas retained merchandizing rights way back in 1973 when he started making it he had "visions of R2D2 mugs and action figures" when he was writing-- just as a fun tie-in


There is a huge difference between fun tie-in and writing stories specifically to drive the business of merchandising toys. As far as expressing opinions along with the memories - the original poster asked us to do just that. And yes, I'm aware that Kershner wanted to keep Empire on track as a second serious film. George's ego ended up getting in the way. I'm also aware that I'm very much in the minority where my Star Wars world is concerned, when compared to most of the fan base.

However, I was there in 1977. I experienced Star Wars at it's inception - without any baggage - and my views will always be from that perspective.

For the record, zombie84, there is no way I would challenge your knowledge of Star Wars history - and in fact, your book is required reading for anyone that wants to talk Star Wars with me......"no don't even bring it up with him, he'll just reference page 102 of the Star Wars history book where it quotes Lucas in the second page of the Rolling Stone interview from 1979 where he says Star Wars is episode 1 of the 12 films....in fact, let's just eat lunch without him today...you know he's on that Star Wars nerd board where they don't even use their real names" ;-)

I refer to it often before I post here, just to double check quotes, dates, etc.
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I saw Star Wars in 1977, when I was 5 years old. I think my dad took me to see it about 12 times. I must have seen it in a monaural theater (without stereo sound), because there's something very familiar about the mono mix to me. Because of my age, I really don't have a lot of direct memories of seeing Star Wars in the theater (like waiting in line, seeing crowds, etc). I vaguely remember seeing the Holiday Special - I was too young to realize how horrible it was. But I remember the toys vividly. God how I played with those toys. The toys WERE Star Wars for me.

Certain songs from the late 70s take me back. Suddenly I'm no longer an adult but a little boy thinking about Star Wars in the huge back seat of my dad's Lincoln Mark V.

Star Wars' effect on the late 70s cannot easily be described. It was the movie that everyone HAD to see. The fact that my dad took me to see it 12 times means he must have enjoyed it immensely himself. My grandfather even saw it. I recall seeing a couple of those 70s vans painted with a Star Wars theme.

When ESB came out, I was 8, and my pump was primed. I remember my dad had bought the story book early, and he actually spilled the beans about Vader being Luke's father BEFORE I saw the movie. I vividly remember the day my mom took me to see it. ESB was hard for me to handle, it was sad and scary. Looking back, ESB is a very adult tale, with great acting from the major players. It's the thinking man's Star Wars.

Shortly after I saw ESB, Vader made a guest appearance at a local mall. The coolness of this cannot be overestimated. Here's the pic:
http://www.erikstormtrooper.com/mevader.jpg

When I saw ROTJ, I thought it was the best of the movies. I continued with the toys for a year more, but as the OT faded, so did my interest. As I matured, I realized ROTJ was inferior in many ways. But as an ending to the OT, it still serves its purpose, and I can accept it on that level.

If I had to summarize the OT in one word, I would say ADVENTURE.
The PT in one word: CHARACTER.

The prequels have been a let down for me. They progressively got better, but what they set out to do was never achieved. The big question for the PT is, how does Anakin Skywalker become Darth Vader. Unfortunately, Lucas could never decide on the exact reason, aside from some vague sense of loss. One of the coolest and most mysterious villains was made into a whiney airhead.

In the PT, all the spectacle of what we see is pointless, and except for small parts of Episode I, there is no fun.

The PT is ultimately a wasted opportunity. And that makes me sad more than anything else. But I stick around here, hoping that some day someone will have the vision to transform the PT into something I can enjoy.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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thanks everybody!! :] :] i appreciate it very much.
and im making my very own death star out of a styrafoam ball for my presentation haha. i'll definitely take into consideration everything everyone has said and it helps my topic have a more personal insight than it would have if i just read reviews. thanks again!
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Man, if it's something you're going to have a digital version of, I bet we'd all be interested in reading it.
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well its going to be on a trifold and im cutting out a square and hanging my poor attempt at the death star from it haha. i am talking about three things in it:

1. how star wars fans are not percieved as geeky as star trek fans ( i was going to come here for that opinion too but i realized it would be extremely biased :] )
2. how religious people see star wars and how certain people think it is like its own religion and....
3. how the original trilogy differs from the new ones... not the movie but the ideals and movie experience. everything seemed different then. my mom saw the original one in theaters and hasnt seen any others. i have some original comic books im going to bring in along with a stuffed ewok :]

i should have electronic info so i'll post what i have here :]
i am really excited to start my actual project.
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I'm upping this just to see if there are other passing by with stories to share...
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Well....Star Wars.
Okay then.I was not old enough to see ANH in the cinema.I was three but ESB was one of first memorable cinema experiences and is burned in my brain.I can still FEEL the size and scope of those walkers!ROTJ was so much fun and I still have a great fondness for it.
However ANH is,and always shall be,my favourite movie.Not just favourite star wars movie but favourite movie full stop.What it boils down to is that,in essence,it is the perfectly balanced film.The characters-the wise old man,the black-clad villain,the callow youth,the rogue with a heart of gold and a princess.The clearly defined lines of good vs evil.Bravado,integrity and daring.Special effects to make your brain pop.Scale,scope,vision.Stunning cinematography the best example of which I give is always Luke standing with the smoke billowing after finding Owen and Beru's bodies and that rising crescendo from Williams.Stunning scene.
Most of all though,and on a personal level,it is just immensely inspiring.How the smallest band of people with integrity,heart and togetherness and right on their side can overcome the greatest of evils.I had a rotten childhood with just terrible things happen to me and Star Wars was a constant inspiration and guiding light for me.Luke Skywalker was and remains my absolute and complete hero (next yo my wife and sons and mother naturally).May seem odd,and some may see it as overblown or melodramatic,but the films and the character of Luke gave me inspiration and strength to continue at a really dark time of my life and continues to help me in this regard when life is tough (as I am ill and have been for some time).Need a lift?Watch Star Wars.Star Wars has taught me many great things that I feel have improved me as a person
It's why I collect the things I do-to get a deeper connection.
I am not of the opinion that the prequels were a complete waste of time and I prefer to see the good in them and there are things i like about them.As I have said here before (whilst worried about the barracking,lol) there is a naive innocent charm about TPM that appeals to me and my sons love it so that is good.I am not a fan of AOTC (I feel something went wrong there!) but I do however very much like ROTS.I wont go into some long-winded debate about why I like it I will just say that I do and leave it there.
I do NOT like the SEs.They are the one thing that Lucas has done that I very,very strongly disagreed with and is why I became a member here,It is original trilogy.com after all!I dont see liking the prequels for what they are and liking the OOT as being incompatible.I do however detest the SEs as they were,when it comes down to it,completely unnecessary.
Anyway though Star Wars (1977) stands as a benchmark in cinema,modern culture and in my life has had genuine significance.
Dont know if any of that is useful but there you go!

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