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For the "Ben" name, I find it has sense. You say that "it dosen't take too much brainpower to know that Ben Kenobi = Obi-Wan Kenobi". Yes, for us, cause "Kenobi" name seems "exotic" to us, but maybe it's a usual name in the Star Wars universe.
If the Galactic Emperor puts me in charge of hunting down and killing the Jedi, and I've got a score to settle with one particular Jedi named Obi-wan Kenobi, you betcherass I'm going to find every person in the Galaxy named Kenobi and everyone named Obi-wan. It doesn't matter if there's trillions of them; that's what computers and data mining are for. To do any less would be criminally negligent. Besides, when people really want to hide -- say, relocated witnesses, or intelligence officers and agents -- do you really think they just change their first name and hope that'll be enough?
Surely, at some point, Obi-wan was visited by some ISB agents or someone like that. He must've just mindwiped them and sent them on their way. Or maybe killed them and falsified their report.
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Originally posted by: Darth Enzo
Right, Luke hasn't been *legally* adopted, but it's just cause he has to be hidden, and all that takes place in an outer rim territory, far from law and legality.
Luke doesn't call his "guardians" father and mother, and he's not called Luke Lars, but we can imagine that Owen and Beru has decided from the begining that they will not dissimulate to Luke that they aren't his true parents, even if they hide all the "anakin-to-vader" story...
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
It doesn't matter if there's trillions of them; that's what computers and data mining are for.
Luke WAS adopted. How do you call that, when persons who are not the real parents take responsabilty of a child?
Guardianship. Luke wasn't officially adopted, just taken in. If they'd adopted him, Luke would call them "Mom and Dad" instead of "Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen."
Guardianship. Luke wasn't officially adopted, just taken in. If they'd adopted him, Luke would call them "Mom and Dad" instead of "Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen."
Right, Luke hasn't been *legally* adopted, but it's just cause he has to be hidden, and all that takes place in an outer rim territory, far from law and legality.
Luke doesn't call his "guardians" father and mother, and he's not called Luke Lars, but we can imagine that Owen and Beru has decided from the begining that they will not dissimulate to Luke that they aren't his true parents, even if they hide all the "anakin-to-vader" story...
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
It doesn't matter if there's trillions of them; that's what computers and data mining are for.
Ok, but Tatooine is not known for his good registration of citizens. That's why so many persons who want to hide go to Tatooine. I'm not sure that all the imperial computers and datas can find a guy living alone in the desert of an outer rim planet...
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Imagine the number of ways things could've gone wrong. Luke could've sent his application to the (Imperial?) Academy, prompting a background check. He might've mentioned "crazy Old Kenobi" in a letter to his friend Biggs (an Imperial officer according to most EU sources), catching the attention of Imperial Intelligence. His friends in the Mos Eisley cantina might've turned him in (well, they did, eventually). The local constabulary might've decided to look at Imperial warrants, so they didn't appear completely useless. Jabba could've heard that there's a Kenobi on his planet, and make the connection -- Jabba could've sold him to the Imperials, or probably even taken him himself.
Contrary to popular belief, the best way to keep a secret is not to "hide it in plain sight." It's not to tell anyone. Obi-wan Kenobi failed on this point.
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And as for many events in the Star Wars universe, the Force (sort of destiny) guides characters to their fates. That could (pretty much poorly) explain a lot of things...
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Another oversight in ROTS, because clearly in the final scene with Yoda and Obi-Wan, he's referred to as Obi-Wan, and Ben never comes up.
I agree with what was said above. Ben should have been his birth name with Obi-Wan being a Jedi Title of sorts. Another missed opportunity on Lucas part. But, hey, at least we got a wacky alien sidekick in Episode 1!
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i wonder why these things werent explained in the prequels
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But Scruffy brings up a good point I never thought of before. I guess it is a good thing that Luke had never been able to apply to the Imperial Academy. Geez, did Owen and Beru ever think about that? But I really think that Palpatine would have been familiar with the name Skywalker, and since Anakin changed it to Darth Vader immediately after joining Palpatine, it's no stretch to think that the name wasn't too well known. And I doubt the Emperor does his own hiring, so Luke could become some petty officer and never be found out for being Darth Vader's son.
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I understand the fact that he's credited has Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi, but I though that it was done like that just cause, in the movie, we're on Luke's point of view, and the character himself is introduced (physical introduction, I mean) as "Ben".
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And I doubt the Emperor does his own hiring, so Luke could become some petty officer and never be found out for being Darth Vader's son.
If Luke graduated from the Academy, he'd be an Ensign in the Starfleet, or some kind of Lieutenant or Pilot Officer in the TIE Corps. Not a petty officer. (Realistically, in ANH I'd peg him for a brief career as a junior enlisted man followed by a return to farming. But I guess the Imperial Academy isn't terribly selective when it comes to its flight cadets.) Saxton's take on the Imperial rank structure is here.
As for being found out, I'm sure officers undergo at least some background investigation, as well as a genetic screening. Those would've set up all kinds of red flags. Assume a four year course at the Academy, followed by one year of flight instruction, then five years of active commissioned service, that's ten years for someone to notice
a) This guy shares half his DNA with Darth Vader,
b) He has the same name as Darth Vader (or the Jedi Councillor who liased with Chancellor Palpatine, depending on who's doing the research), and
c) He's Force-sensitive.
One could argue whether or not Luke would last that long in service to the Empire he claimed to hate, but I think even applying to the Academy would've brought the Empire down on Tatooine in force.
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
When he first sees the princess, he tells her;
"I'm here to rescue you. I've got your R2 unit. I'm here with Ben Kenobi."
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Which raises the question if Leia new of his alias, why didn't Vader and the rest of the Empire?
When he first sees the princess, he tells her;
"I'm here to rescue you. I've got your R2 unit. I'm here with Ben Kenobi."
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Which raises the question if Leia new of his alias, why didn't Vader and the rest of the Empire?
Yeah, I always thought her response should have been "Ben Kenobi? Who the heck is that?" considering that "Ben" was his incognito name and she refers to him as "Obi-Wan" in the hologram message.
The bottom line is that it wasn't all terribly well-thought out by GL at the time.
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Originally posted by: Number20
Battlewars is still banned. Auximenies brought up an old post. When I saw this at first, I was wondering who let AWK back in, until I looked at the dates.
Battlewars is still banned. Auximenies brought up an old post. When I saw this at first, I was wondering who let AWK back in, until I looked at the dates.
Sorry 'bout that, guys. New guy reading old stuff here. Added my $0.02 and then noticed the last post was a while back.
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Originally posted by: auximenies
Sorry 'bout that, guys. New guy reading old stuff here. Added my $0.02 and then noticed the last post was a while back.
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Sorry 'bout that, guys. New guy reading old stuff here. Added my $0.02 and then noticed the last post was a while back.
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No, its ok. Its just that two of the people who were involved in this discussion became infamous around here for some things they did and were banned. Seeing their names pop up again concerned us. lol
But back on topic, you do have a point. How did Leia know who Ben Kenobi was?
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I don't think Ben was a cover-up name because, as others have rightly said, changing the first name and not the last is just pointless, they're bound to check you out if they're really looking.
I reckon Ben should have been his familiar name for several years before Luke's birth. Vader clearly never uses it in any of the OOT movies. Tarkin's obviously heard of Obi-Wan as well, but not as Ben. Obi-Wan fled to the outer rim and stayed there. They just never saw the point of going after him. The Republic was defeated and the Jedi Order decimated and scattered. I would suppose that the Empire expected the remaining Knights to die of old age and never be heard of again. They would also have been pretty confident that there weren't enough of them left and that those that were left were too old to regroup and start any trouble.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
As for ObiWan's piss poor alias, I have no explanation. Personally, I believe that Ben was his real name and ObiWan was a name given to him by the Jedi. Of course, that idea has been destroyed by the prequels, but I don't watch the prequels so it's ok.
As for ObiWan's piss poor alias, I have no explanation. Personally, I believe that Ben was his real name and ObiWan was a name given to him by the Jedi. Of course, that idea has been destroyed by the prequels, but I don't watch the prequels so it's ok.
Yeah, I would have always assumed that too. Those wierd names couldn't have been birth names. In the OT, everyone has normal names, the only explanation would be that Jedi are given "Jedi" names.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Looking at Qui-Gon Jinn, you sort of see the same thing. Qui-Gon is his "Jedi" name, but we never knew his real name. All the Jedi get special names when they get to be Jedi or a certain Jedi rank.
His real name was Frank, wasn't it? Frank Jinn? Looking at Qui-Gon Jinn, you sort of see the same thing. Qui-Gon is his "Jedi" name, but we never knew his real name. All the Jedi get special names when they get to be Jedi or a certain Jedi rank.
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It would make a lot of sense behind-the-scenes-wise (back in '76, when this was being concieved) for "Obi-wan" to be his Jedi name, possibly being taken once he attained the rank of jedi knight. I say this because the jedi are clearly heavily based on samurai, & it was common practice for samurai to take on a new name any time they were promoted in rank, or had a major life-changing event. In fact, they'd often have gone by 4 or 5 different names by the time they died, though close friends & relatives would often continue calling them by their old "first" name. (i put "first" in parenthesis b/c japanese use the surname first, followed by the personal name; i.e. John Smith would be Smith John in Japanese). So, it's logical to assume that his birth name was Ben Kenobi, but at some point in his training, he was renamed Obi-wan, & this is how most people knew him b/c that's the name he went by when he became famous int he clone wars. Perhaps when he went into hiding on tatooine, he decided to use his birth name for whatever reason. Maybe he figured the few locals he came into contact with would know who Ben Kenobi was, but there might be a stronger chance they'd heard of Obi-wan Kenobi due to his high status in history.