my memory isn't that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?) — Page 4

it's kinda funny, I also thought I remembered seeing Luke miss, and I never read the novels

only times I saw ANH on TV were german dubs in the 90s

maybe something like that happened in some other movie?

Corky said:i've never seen it but i wish i had its like the scene when luke jumps up and grabs the bars above the rancor i've only ever seen the pictures but they must have filmed it right?

I agree with SKot (and the rest) on the whole 'mis-re-memories' line of thought. So many things influence your memory, especially when you're talking about two and three decades passing. I know I ate, slept, and breathed Star Wars. I had the Star Wars record, where R2 beeped when it was time to turn the page. I had the Storybooks, which were basically movie picture books (and where I think most 'mis-re-memories' come from, including my own). I even had a book with R2 and 3PO telling me about space. Oh, had the pop up book too (my favorite page was the one with the McQuarrie X-Wing in the trench). And then there's all the dreams I've had about Star Wars... (there was one I remember vividly of a young Kenobi flying around with Anakin in ships that were something between an X-Wing and the EpIII Starfighter. This had to be 30 years ago)

As for ANH, I don't really have any memories of things not happening. I assume it's because I watched about every showing of Star Wars on Showtime when it came on.

I do, however, remember in ESB that a snowspeeder crashed into the AT-AT the blew up the generator. I can totally accept that it never happened, and I think that I'm transferring the scene from ROTJ into my Hoth mind.

And as for Corky's comment - I too remember the scene where Luke jumps up and grabs the bars. I also remember the 'people' in Jabba's court quickly stomping on his fingers. No proof, just a memory, but it sticks out. I assume it's from the storybook pictures.

Here's a weird one.

I was only born about a week after Star Wars was first released, so I didn't actually see it until Empire came around - our local cinema (like many, I'm sure) was showing the pair as a double bill, so that was my first exposure to the saga (a pretty intensive one, I guess!)

Anyway, I VIVIDLY recall Empire having a completely different title sequence from Star Wars - no crawl, no big theme, just photos of the characters with their names, underscored with some fairly tranquil music.

Retrospectively, I can just about rationalise it with the assumption that the cinema showed the Empire trailer directly after Star Wars, before the intermission - the main trailer certainly does have stills of the characters appearing amidst the live-action footage. But still, that's not really what I remember...

Like I say, weird! And it looks pretty absurd in writing, but I thought I'd share anyway...

Well, this is an old thread, but I've only recently joined.  I also have a vivd recollection of Luke missing the first swing and the door raising partially behind him.

Sluggo said:Bob Wilkins late night "creature features" show? If it had this "lost" shot, then it'd be awesome to see.

I'd never heard about the logo being a solid instead of an outline. Maybe some was confused with the first trailer, which had solid lettering instead of the final version of the logo.

The book also had solid lettering.  At least it does on the 1978 copy I have.

V said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qf6cRijYU

Yep, that's the one. Closest thing I've found to the thing that I remember.

I quite like having fantastical childhood recollections - memories get much less creative as you get older ;-)

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and when I was seven I used to argue in the playground that after Luke had blown up the death-star that there was a ghostly image of Vader superimposed over a starfield and he said " I WILL RETURN"  it wasn't until the first rerelease a few years later that I  got see the movie for the second time and I was proven wrong. to this date I'm not sure if my false memory was due to a TV commercial for STAR WARS merchandise ,  a DARTH VADER LIVES tshirt I got for Xmas 1977  or perhaps even the teaser poster for Empire Strikes Back, or a combination of the three.

This one is REALLY kooky: At the end of Return of the Jedi, I clearly remembered somebody wanting to shoot down Luke's stolen shuttle but Lando saying, "No, don't. I think that's Luke."

Normally I'd think I'm nuts, but when my dad and I watched it together on video for the first time, we both looked at each other and said, "Wait a minute." He remembered that moment, too, and described it on his own before I even had a chance to say anything. I guess it was a shared father-son hallucination from one sunny '83 afternoon at the Showcase Cinemas in Louisville, KY?

Both of you might have been remembering the line from ESB where Lando says "Look, someone's up there" while piloting the Falcon and then Leia says "It's Luke" and they rescue him. Lando+Falcon+discovering an escaping Luke? In some weird way I can see how these elements could have been linked in memory. Or maybe you indeed just have a shared father-son hallucination :p

Jonno said:

V said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qf6cRijYU

 

Yep, that's the one. Closest thing I've found to the thing that I remember.

I quite like having fantastical childhood recollections - memories get much less creative as you get older ;-)

Jonno said:

V said:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qf6cRijYU

 

Yep, that's the one. Closest thing I've found to the thing that I remember.

I quite like having fantastical childhood recollections - memories get much less creative as you get older ;-)

 This would seem to fit the bill of "with names" and "tranquil music" better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH9z8se3Aho

Also some of you guys are awfully quick to piss on the steadfast integrity these memories are claimed to have. A memory doesn't appear for no reason. It may not be exactly as you remember it but you remember it for a reason.

On that note I could have sworn Cortana said something to the effect of "we fled, and they followed" in the opening narration of Halo 3, alas it doesn't seem to be there. But it's a genuine memory and I'm not going to discount it so quickly. I remember it for a reason, and I intend to find out that reason someday.

A false Star Wars movie memory from me:

I always recalled in RoTJ since I was a kid that after the Ewok glider gets shot down that you see a shot of the Ewoks watching from the trees and then you see the AT-ST stomp on and smashing (walking over) the fallen glider.

Once I got the DVD I realized we never actually see this happen, though its pretty clearly implied by the editing. Glider falls... we see the ewok reaction shot and a close up of the fallen glider and then we see the walking legs. No actual smashing going on (and no, as a kid I didn't cover my eyes!). Obviously my imagination filled it in, though!

Less of a false memory and just forgetting, my younger brother and I listened to the ROTJ storybook & record so much (before we had a recording of the actual movie), we forgot that many of the lines in it are different from the film.

hanakin said:

I have told all my friends about this for many years, and never once have I been believed. And I have never found evidence to prove what I know to be true.

I can swear on all that is good and holy and just that a long time ago, in a place far far away, I saw a version of Episode IV where Luke misses the grappling hook. He and Leia are gonna try to swing across the chasm, but he missed on his first throw. Everyone tells me that I am crazy and don't know what I'm talking about, but I insist. I know I've seen it, but it was so long ago and I was so young. Because, we have to remember, with as many versions we have from the Special Editions of '97 and from the remastered versions of '93 and the newest versions of '04 -- there were at least 3 previous VHS versions released during the early and late 80's. Somebody please help me!! I know I'm not crazy!!


Also, on the Laserdisc remastered versions of '93, there is a scene with the X-Wings that I think was added. I think actually, that it might be one of the first CGI additions ever put on screen. It is when the guy says to "Lock S-Foils into attack formation." I'm pretty sure that the original versions did not actually have anything happen, just somebody saying that over the radio. And with the '93 version, you actually see a few X-Wings open their S-Foils.


Just a couple things I have not seen commented. Am I right? Or totally of the mark?

Did you by any chance see any of the 70mm premieres (not general 70mm release, not general 35mm release, one of the 70mm premieres)? And by any chance in Paramus, NJ?

That is the one and only time I ever claim to have seen that scene. More tense. I seem to recall Leia getting worried and that it made the ratcheting up of the blast doors seem more frightening.

I never saw it at any of the 35mm releases that year or in '78 or the later re-release. I never saw it on TV or any form of home video. Just that once at the premiere.

zombie84 said:

It was in the novel. Thats why a few people remember seeing it. Just like they remember seeing the spaceships crash into the DS shield in ROTJ. They saw it in their minds when they were kids and twenty years later it feels as though it was seen on a screen. It never happened.

As for the S-foils, them opening was in all versions. There has only been one visual change from 1977-1996, and that is the Episode Iv crawl.

I don't know about that I didn't get the novelization until sometime after I had seen the 70mm 6track premiere in Paramus, NJ. Anyone else see that premiere on opening day and recall the miss?

I asked my dad and he said he didn't even remember the chasm haha!

There have to be a few people out there who say the premiere print there. I think the theater sat like 2200 people and it was totally sold out the entire first day, at the least.

crazyrabbits said:

Hmmm. From what I remember, I saw something that resembled the scene mentioned in the topic. I will swear on my life that after Leia kisses Luke "for luck", the door behind them goes up slightly. He throws the grappling hook, which misses, and he pulls it back up, and the door slowly goes up again. It's only then that he swings and it catches. I will swear on my life that I saw it, though it might have been in a broadcast version.

yeah exactly i could swear that it made the ratcheting up of the door seem more extended and that it made the whole scene a lot more tense and that when i saw it the next time i was like waht happened and when i view it now the editing seems suspiciously choppy and weird very much like something got chopped out.

did you see any of the 70mm premiere showings?

zombie84 said:

None of these exist you guys. There has never been any extended or alternate ANH edits--to do so would require going back to the negative and re-striking a new edited IP. None of these things are in the script, in stills, in any sort of official source of movie deletions or the lengthy deleted scenes lists that even the official site has exhaustedly chronicled, and all people have is vague memories--just like years ago people by the hundred swore they saw the biggs footage on TV. But they never did. They just invented a memory. It happens when you are dealing with childhood memories from decades ago that involve hundreds of other multimedia sources that influence them like the many novels and storybooks. The version of Star Wars released on the 2006 GOUT DVD is the only version of Star Wars that ever existed until the SE, with the exception of the 1981 crawl.

Isn't it on record that the 70mm premieres were rushed out though and slightly rough and that they still were working on a few final sound/visual edits for the general release? I thought I once read that there was a tiny of doubt as to whether each the handful of theaters were the premiere was shown even got 100% the same thing.

(for the record, i have no memory of having seen the biggs/tatooine scene at the paramus showing, i do recall reading about it and seeing it on trading cards or in some books or something way back when though)