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kk650's Regraded Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi V2 (blanket yellow tint removed from blu-ray) — Page 2

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Turisu said:

What I’m saying is that the yellow/green tint is even more pronounced on the UHD.

I can’t post screenshots as there’s no way to properly screenshot HDR images but flicking back and forth between the BD and the UHD shows that the UHD definitely has more of a green cast with the BD being closer to how I remember the movie looking in the cinema.

every film in blu-ray or UHD has this issue you can notice it alot, don’t know why the industry don’t sort it out

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I like a few of the scenes with the blanket yellow tint, but it does kill a few shots and I definitely think it does make the film look a lot more aggressive in color terms. Can I see what the night time and interior scenes look like with and without the yellow tint, if it’s present there at all?

I’ve gone batshit several times over for the sake of historical preservation…

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I definitely noticed a strong tint right away on the Blu-ray that I don’t remember from my theatrical viewings. I saw it four times in three different theaters and the yellow/green wasn’t nearly as strong. It really dulls the picture for me.

STAR WARS: a film with comic book characters, an unbelievable story, no political or social commentary, lousy acting, preposterous dialogue and a ridiculous simplistic morality. In other words: a BAD MOVIE.’ - The New Yorker, 1977

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darthrush said:

Could you post some screenshots from the regraded scene with Rey handing Luke the saber? I need to end up marching that footage with the overcast colors from TFA and this sounds like something along those lines.

After the blanket yellow tint is removed from The Last Jedi, it doesn’t look overcast like it did when they shot the scene in The Force Awakens so its unlikely to help in terms of maintaining continuety. I’m pretty certain they reshot the scene again for The Last Jedi and the lighting conditions seem to have been pretty different.

Here’s a screencap comparison between the blu-ray and this regrade from that scene:

Blu-ray:

Regrade:

In my view this shot is also too blue. At least it’s not white balanced, so there’s a blue tint in the highlights for sure. If I regrade your regrade, I get what is in my opinion a much more balanced and appealing image, that keeps some of the warmth of the original color grading:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/M0CNNN8U

The colors are in very good agreement with this production photo, which appears to be shot with perfect white balance:

The colors of this production photo are also in perfect agreement with this amateur photo of Skellig Michael:

This production photo shows the color of Luke’s Jedi robes, which are in agreement with my regrade, and the other production photo, while the colors in your regrade are markedly different:

To summarize, I believe you overcorrected your TLJ regrade, and introduced a blanket blue tint across the film.

Here are all the example frames you showed, but with my color grading applied, where the fox image now looks perfectly balanced:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/M1JNNN8U

Here’s the LUT for those that would like to apply this color grading to the bluray:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dLK4mR_Veyla9Xuv4gvt4zLrS7SCiE-Y/view?usp=sharing

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Firstly - Exellent LUT, Dre!

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

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darthrush said:

Thanks for the LUT Dre! I might just use this for my fanedit of the film if that is fine with you. (You would be credited)

Sure, no problem!

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towne32 said:

Firstly - Exellent LUT, Dre!

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

Thanks! 😃

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Thank you for the detailed feedback DrDre!

You’ve all convinced me to give this another go. I’ll be creating a V3 release that will be around halfway between my V2 release and the blu-ray in terms of the amount of yellow. I’ve worked out the settings for V3 and it is actually very close to what DrDre’s regrade screencaps look like. Hopefully you guys that feel that too much yellow was removed with the V2 release will prefer the balance of this V3 release.

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towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

Yeah, that there is a single blanket yellow tint applied evenly across the whole film, I think is pretty undeniable, though how strong that blanket tint is can certainly be debated, as in this case.

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towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

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DominicCobb said:

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Of course but it doesn’t change the fact that after all the scenes have been selectively colour graded, a final blanket tint is added over the whole film for many many releases these days. Like towne32 I don’t understand why they do it. Why do all the work selectively colour grading each scene just to add a blanket yellow/green tint to the whole film at the end that just makes everything look yellow/green, I just don’t get it.

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kk650 said:

DominicCobb said:

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Of course but it doesn’t change the fact that after all the scenes have been selectively colour graded, a final blanket tint is added over the whole film for many many releases these days. Like towne32 I don’t understand why they do it. Why do all the work selectively colour grading each scene just to add a blanket yellow/green tint to the whole film at the end that dullens all the colour choices they made before, I just don’t get it.

I just mean that it’s weird to act like the only thing they did was give it a blanket tint, which is what towne23 implied. There’s nothing wrong with disliking the tint, it wasn’t my favorite either.

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DominicCobb said:

kk650 said:

DominicCobb said:

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Of course but it doesn’t change the fact that after all the scenes have been selectively colour graded, a final blanket tint is added over the whole film for many many releases these days. Like towne32 I don’t understand why they do it. Why do all the work selectively colour grading each scene just to add a blanket yellow/green tint to the whole film at the end that dullens all the colour choices they made before, I just don’t get it.

I just mean that it’s weird to act like the only thing they did was give it a blanket tint, which is what towne23 implied. There’s nothing wrong with disliking the tint, it wasn’t my favorite either.

There is indeed more to grading a film than that.

And then they took the entire film and applied a single setting to it. It seems lazy.

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I watched the HDR version the other day and the bluray soon after that and found that the Blacks are elevated throughout the whole film. On TFA and every other star wars the starfield is pitch black, on TLJ its grey. Consider correcting that (if you havent)

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kk650 said:

Thank you for the detailed feedback DrDre!

You’ve all convinced me to give this another go. I’ll be creating a V3 release that will be around halfway between my V2 release and the blu-ray in terms of the amount of yellow. I’ve worked out the settings for V3 and it is actually very close to what DrDre’s regrade screencaps look like. Hopefully you guys that feel that too much yellow was removed with the V2 release will prefer the balance of this V3 release.

V2 was alright looks better with no yellow or green tint

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Chewielewis said:

I watched the HDR version the other day and the bluray soon after that and found that the Blacks are elevated throughout the whole film. On TFA and every other star wars the starfield is pitch black, on TLJ its grey. Consider correcting that (if you havent)

Yeah, I agree the bluray looks to be low contrast. I’ve adjusted my regrade (this will be the last, I don’t want to hijack kk650’s thread), to accommodate this:

Comparison with the bluray:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/6GPNNN8X

Here’s is another set of example frames:

Comparison with the bluray:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/66LNNN8X

Here’s the LUT (use or adjust freely):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h95CAOg16wJNq1IphVT6eaRj1YUxwwJP/view?usp=sharing

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Yoda seems to have lost his ghostly haze in the corrected frame.

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Turisu said:

Yoda seems to have lost his ghostly haze in the corrected frame.

Everything is a haze for the TLJ bluray, as the black levels are raised, and the contrast very low. The blue haze is there, but at higher contrast levels it is less noticeable in the darker regions of the frame. A small price to pay for more natural contrast settings in my view. Conversly it is more noticeable in the brighter areas of the frame. However, there’s always the alternative of the low contrast LUT.

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Turisu said:

Yoda seems to have lost his ghostly haze in the corrected frame.

The ghost effect was almost non-existant in the cinema too

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Setzer said:

Turisu said:

Yoda seems to have lost his ghostly haze in the corrected frame.

The ghost effect was almost non-existant in the cinema too

In the cinema, the first shot of Yoda was quite a pronounced ghost effect, bot subsequent shots were reduced.

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I really enjoyed the first LUT, but I have mixed feelings on the second. The film looks weird like that for some reason. I’m not sure why. I wish I were able to better articulate this feeling. I suppose the movie feels more dream-like with the original contrast, which I feel suits it more with the Rey and Luke scenes.

Also, it appears Kylo Ren’s helmet is exhibiting some crushed blacks, possibly. Could anyone tell me it looks okay to them?

I suppose Dr. Dre should make his own thread at this point…

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