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Yeah it is because then when she wants one she will buy me one also, free lunch.
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Ive never had a big mac. whats so weird about that. I used to eat from mcdonalds and bk (mostly bk) but i a) never ordered a big mac and b) have only had fast food in the (probably) last 6 years when there were no other choices.


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I've never ordered a Big Mac either, odd.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan


2) Since the news media CAN seem to get into the area, why can't they put down their high-and-mighty objective coverage and actually get involved with the relief effort? If you're getting into the area to cover it, bring some damn food and water to share while you're at it. Don't just take pictures of people dying, do something to help them. These are your fellow citizens who granted you that first amendment. Journalistic ethics my ass -- what's ethical about a policy of non-involvement when fellow citizens are dying in front of your very eyes?


Here the problem with what you ask. If the media people drop their cameras and etc to help these people, they can't cover it. And then we will have no idea what's going on down there. Also it is a question of ethics once you get involved, how can you give non biased coverage? Tell me without the media covering this, do you think as many people would be giving blood and donating food, water and supplies? I doubt it. Unless there is no other way, the media should stay out of it and give non biased coverage. It is important we are able to stay informed about the situation. If however someone is going to die and there is no one else around who can help and no other way, then they should give assistance.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan


2) Since the news media CAN seem to get into the area, why can't they put down their high-and-mighty objective coverage and actually get involved with the relief effort? If you're getting into the area to cover it, bring some damn food and water to share while you're at it. Don't just take pictures of people dying, do something to help them. These are your fellow citizens who granted you that first amendment. Journalistic ethics my ass -- what's ethical about a policy of non-involvement when fellow citizens are dying in front of your very eyes?


Here the problem with what you ask. If the media people drop their cameras and etc to help these people, they can't cover it. And then we will have no idea what's going on down there. Also it is a question of ethics once you get involved, how can you give non biased coverage? Tell me without the media covering this, do you think as many people would be giving blood and donating food, water and supplies? I doubt it. Unless there is no other way, the media should stay out of it and give non biased coverage. It is important we are able to stay informed about the situation. If however someone is going to die and there is no one else around who can help and no other way, then they should give assistance.


I think the media is helping by showing the world what's going on. Otherwise, it wouldn't have as much impact and people wouldn't donate money. If it wasn't for the media reporting, those people would still be waiting for help that would probably never come at all. Also, some news persons are actually doing some work there and helping people out. A local reporter who is based in the US was sent to New Orleans to report it, and he interviewd this woman who was under a bridge, crying. She said their family was still at home, but she couldn't reach them, and they couldn't reach her. So the reporter got her into the news van, they went there with an improvised boat and found her family, got back with all of them, got all of them into the news van and drove to some place else. Of course it was done in a journalistic way, but it actually helped someone.
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Opinion: I think that while they are down their, the media should help out whenever they aren't reporting. When the cameras go off, the should do what they can; it's simple human decency. But still, what they do is an important job;the public needs to be kept informed about what's going on down there.

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Chaltab gets my point. Yes it needs to be covered, but there is so much more that they can do than *just* cover while they're down there, or while they're getting down there. For example, pack the plane to the gills with bottled water and baby formula when flying into the region.

It's interesting seeing all the little ways people are trying to help. Kids setting up lemonade stands and sending the proceeds to Katrina Relief. Yard Sales to the same effect. eBay has set up a special thing where you can sell stuff and have the proceeds go to the relief effort.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
It's interesting seeing all the little ways people are trying to help. Kids setting up lemonade stands and sending the proceeds to Katrina Relief.


I heard John Goodman saying this while on Larry King live. Same source?
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Nah ... I don't watch Larry King (if I'm a news junkie, Larry is the equivalent of brown acid). I noticed it while driving around this weekend. Lemonade stands, yard sales, all kinds of makeshift ways to help. It's amazing, really.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Nah ... I don't watch Larry King (if I'm a news junkie, Larry is the equivalent of brown acid). I noticed it while driving around this weekend. Lemonade stands, yard sales, all kinds of makeshift ways to help. It's amazing, really.


Oh, cool, nice, I didn't know. For one second I thought Fred Flintstone there was overreacting or something.
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LOL ... nope. And I guess that means it's happening in Hollywood too if Goodman said it.
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Thank God George Bush was able to get to the area and have his photos taken kissing some black babies. We can all rest easy now.

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Thank God George Bush was able to get to the area and have his photos taken kissing some black babies. We can all rest easy now.


Yes I've seen those. How nice.
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Well if it wasn't for the ignorant ******** who call him a racist, then he wouldn't have to.

WHY does this have to be about politics. I mean I knew it would get political eventually, but...

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well if it wasn't for the ignorant ******** who call him a racist, then he wouldn't have to.

WHY does this have to be about politics. I mean I knew it would get political eventually, but...


So the staged photo proves he isn't a racist? I don't think so.

However, while my instincts tell me that George Bush is indeed a good ol' white boy racist, I don't think that race or racism comes into this issue. It's a poorly handled disaster plain and simple, a national disgrace, but not a matter of race. And a photo of George Bush standing on some rubble acting like a commander in chief while he kisses a black kid doesn't make me feel any better about the situation. Sadly, it seems to me that the modern day response to any situation is to turn the other way until things get ugly, then get out the guns and have some movie stars do a televised benefit. To use a tired old saying - Too little, too late.

But Chaltab is right - this is a natural disaster, an act of God. Of course, the actions of humankind and our government following the disaster are casue for concern and finger pointing, so politics does come into it, but for now let's just stop apportioning blame, stop taking stupid photo-opportunities, and sort it out. This situation is something that I would expect from a third world country ruled bu Mugabe or some other arsehole, not the U.S.A, supposedly the most advanced, developed and 'civilised' nation on Earth.






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I can't consider Bush a racist. He has way too close a relationship with Condoleeza for that. But he clearly doesn't have the mental game for the job he's in. This is the only President who will stay on vacation in the midst of a national emergency until the press howls for his blood, and THEN not get on the ground, but take an arial tour of the wreckage on his way back to DC. Bush AND his advisors screwed the pooch on this. Bush screwed the pooch putting Michael Brown in charge of FEMA, a man with no credentials for the job. Bush haters and supporters are calling for Brown's job, and rightfully so. For a good article on Brown's "qualifications" check out this article at the LA Times.
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I don't think Bush is a racist per se, like a KKK one. But there was this time when he met our president and asked if we also had "black people" (look I'm not sure what term he used, but it was a political correct one) in Brazil. Our president was literally speechless.

He is misinformed probably, but not really a racist.

I've seen this issue not of white and black people thing, but a rich and poor people thing. Poor people were left behind, there were white folks there too. It's not a race thing at all.
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The whole Bush family and every ignorant fool who ever supported them should be lined up and slapped very hard with a wet fish:

NEW YORK -- Accompanying her husband, former President George H.W.Bush, on a tour of hurricane relief centers in Houston, Barbara Bush said today, referring to the poor who had lost everything back home and evacuated, "This is working very well for them."

The former First Lady's remarks were aired this evening on National Public Radio's "Marketplace" program.

She was part of a group in Houston today at the Astrodome that included her husband and former President Bill Clinton, who were chosen by her son, the current president, to head fundraising efforts for the recovery. Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama were also present.

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

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Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama were also present.


Hmmm.... positioning themselves for '08?
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