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dwalkerdon23 said:

I have converted ac3 & DTS tracks to WAV, Flac, Ogg Vorbis, & even MP3 & It strips  it of all the Dialnorm & DRC & brings it back to its master settings.

I have used Handbrake & DVD audio extractor/ripper & it does the job well.

Hold on to your older DVD's many of them include the original mixes of the films.

here is an example of one i did for the Movie Poltergeist 2: The Other Side. here is the link: http://www.packupload.com/QLQVATPMD50

Here is another one, Titan A.E. in Flac from the DVD 2.0 Pro Logic file:

http://www.packupload.com/P2RKGCM63AO

it is 499mb, so its pretty large

I converted the Poltergeist II AC3 2.0 Pro logic track to Flac & it sounds phenomenal! If any of you have the LD version compare my rip to the LD & I guarantee that it will sound nearly Identical.

I have done this with about 10 movies & they sound amazing.

Find the 1993 unaltered Star Wars Trilogy DVD's released in 2006 & convert The Pro Logic AC3 files to Flac using DVD Audio Extractor. You will be blown away by the dynamics, trust me!

remember to set the appropriate channels such as 6 channels for 5.1 content, & 2 channels for Mono & Stereo soundtracks when you rip.

 you wont be disappointed once you try it

May I ask if DVD Audio Extractor was meant to act this way for a particular reason.  I never knew it stripped the DialNorm & DRC when encoding to FLAC or WAV.  

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Pretty interesting. Does it work when you are converting, or does it work at the extraction stage?

Say, if I rip a disc with Mac The Ripper, I'm not sure it changes anything to the audio.

However if I extract an AC3 track, then convert it to DTS-HD, does it resets to master settings?

Thanks

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I've only spot-checked it, however I think the Grease Blu-Ray audio sounds good and I don't observe any of the issues pointed out except some of the foley effects and the backgrounds seemed loud.

Anyone with the Blu-Ray, what exactly are the audio issues and sync problems?

I did notice some additional foley sounds during 'Greased Lightning', however who knows if those sounds originally existed on the 70mm 6-track.

Also, does anyone have the 2002 DVD? This site (possibly mistakenly) indicates the 2002 DVD contains the original (Dolby Stereo) soundtrack in Dolby Surround Sound. http://web.archive.org/web/20050826210209/http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/grease.html

Below are some links for Sha-Na-Na 'Born To Hand Jive' from the Grease. The last one strongly suggests a DVD release has the original soundtrack. Drums kick in after a fight on-screen and then a guy slides toward the camera and the remixed soundtrack has an extra foley effect.

Also, I checked out the background singers TServo2049 mentioned (Thank you for the YouTube links!) and I think the background singers were always out of sync. The remixed audio on the TBS broadcast seems very loud, however I don't think anyone knows if the TBS or the uploader changed it (knowingly or unknowingly).

Anyone, please point out specific issues and time(codes) with the Blu-Ray other than it's louder, has extra foley effects, or echo'y'.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, by websites referenced, and by other websites, many think the Grease Blu-Ray audio is of poor quality. See:

Lastly, nothing against crissrudd4554, many others and websites indicate what was quoted and this post was more recent.

crissrudd4554 said:

... Grease has a pretty bad remix as well and the original is not included on any of the DVD/BD releases. ...

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TServo2049 said:

Another buggered 5.1 remix I forgot to mention: Grease.

When the film was remixed in 5.1 for the 20th anniversary re-release, they completely overhauled the music mixing to sound more "modern." You can read a whole lot more about it here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/287394/a-few-words-about-grease-in-blu-ray

Here's the original mix of "You're the One That I Want" from an old TBS broadcast. And here's the remix. Notice the extra "It's electrifying!", the much louder background vocals and brass, and how during the second verse, the male backup singers are actually

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I have the '02 DVD of Grease and NO it does not feature the original. It features a 2.0 track that uses the same elements of the 5.1 track. One thing I noticed thats present in the original (I have it on VHS) but not in the remix is someone honking their car horn when Danny's shadow blocks the movie screen while he is singing 'Sandy'. New sound effects to note in the remix is sounds added when Danny and Sandy toss their jackets in 'You're the One That I Want', thud noise when Danny falls over after Sandy sings the line 'feel your way', different bell noise when Danny plays the High striker, etc. I hope Paramount someday gives us a new restoration of the original film including the original opening Paramount logo accompanied by its original music.

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Good news! The new Superman: Extended Cut Blu-Ray contains the original sound effects!

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alloneword said:

Grease is coming to 4K Blu Ray in April;

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22859

It’s not mentioned but there’s hope it will include the original mix. Grease 2 is also coming to Blu Ray for the first time.

The press release mentioned this:

“Paramount worked with director Randal Kleiser to restore GREASE to its original vibrancy with the highest quality sound, picture resolution and color. The original negative was scanned and received extensive clean up and color correction using previously unavailable digital restoration tools such as high dynamic range technology. In addition, the audio was enhanced from a six-track mix created for an original 70mm release, giving the music more clarity. The resulting picture and sound create an exceptional home viewing experience.”

Additionally here’s a quote from a discussion on Steve Hoffman Forums:

“I may be able to throw one more wrench into things. I have a friend who was in exhibitor relations (or some such thing) for Paramount in the 70s/80s, and he was invited to some sort of pre-release screening of GREASE at the Egyptian (I think…maybe it was the Chinese, but I don’t think so) in Hollywood, using a 70mm answer print with synchronized sound on a mag film dubber in the booth. He was absolutely blown away by the sound, and couldn’t wait to see the movie again just for the sound quality he had heard. He first saw it during general release in 35mm, but then it landed at, I think, the Village in Westwood in 70mm, and sounded nothing like that rough version he had heard. He still comments to this day about what a complete disappointment that was, and he’d love to know what happened to that early mix/release he experienced.“

Hopefully that’s a good sign.

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Here’s hoping. I had Grease on VHS back in 1996 (which I recently discovered I still have) and I did have the DVD at one point but that got sold. I’m assuming my VHS had the original sound mix but haven’t had a chance to check. I’ve never owned it on Blu Ray so if this 4K release is decent I’ll pick it up. Has anyone tried to sync any pre-98 mix up with the current Blu Ray yet?

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alloneword said:

Here’s hoping. I had Grease on VHS back in 1996 (which I recently discovered I still have) and I did have the DVD at one point but that got sold. I’m assuming my VHS had the original sound mix but haven’t had a chance to check. I’ve never owned it on Blu Ray so if this 4K release is decent I’ll pick it up. Has anyone tried to sync any pre-98 mix up with the current Blu Ray yet?

I believe someone on FanRes managed to sync the VHS audio to the BD.

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I was going to mux the original 4.0 mix of Xanadu with the blu-ray video but I ran into a problem. I figured it would be as easy as dropping the DVD audio into the MKVtoolnix since both the DVD and Blu-ray video start on the same exact frame and end with the MPAA rating, but the DVD runs at 29.97fps instead of 23.98 like the blu-ray. The blu-ray video is 10 seconds longer.

Any advice on how I can accomplish this sync? I have all the necessary files already ripped if anyone wants me to upload and share them.

Thanks.

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I was hoping someone would do that. I recently captured the early 80’s Laserdisc stereo mix.

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crissrudd4554 said:

alloneword said:

Here’s hoping. I had Grease on VHS back in 1996 (which I recently discovered I still have) and I did have the DVD at one point but that got sold. I’m assuming my VHS had the original sound mix but haven’t had a chance to check. I’ve never owned it on Blu Ray so if this 4K release is decent I’ll pick it up. Has anyone tried to sync any pre-98 mix up with the current Blu Ray yet?

I believe someone on FanRes managed to sync the VHS audio to the BD.

Yes they did, using my VHS Hi-Fi capture of a factory sealed tape. (Pre 20th anniversary.) I have a copy lying around, but I don’t have a BD drive just yet.

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SilverWook said:

I was hoping someone would do that. I recently captured the early 80’s Laserdisc stereo mix.

Well, I tried. If I mux the DVD audio and blu-ray video it starts in sync but by the time characters start to speak after the opening dance number it’s out of sync.

I also tried changing the audio speed with audacity. I changed the length to match the runtime of the blu-ray video file but that makes it out of sync as well.

Here’s the 4.0 audio from the original DVD release if anyone has the blu-ray and wants to give it a shot:

https://mega.nz/#!v4Y3jBja!Lyn6y7ownm1pdBloCsrl-rqMLAn4tw6LtVPgB-eI2VY

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SilverWook said:

crissrudd4554 said:

alloneword said:

Here’s hoping. I had Grease on VHS back in 1996 (which I recently discovered I still have) and I did have the DVD at one point but that got sold. I’m assuming my VHS had the original sound mix but haven’t had a chance to check. I’ve never owned it on Blu Ray so if this 4K release is decent I’ll pick it up. Has anyone tried to sync any pre-98 mix up with the current Blu Ray yet?

I believe someone on FanRes managed to sync the VHS audio to the BD.

Yes they did, using my VHS Hi-Fi capture of a factory sealed tape. (Pre 20th anniversary.) I have a copy lying around, but I don’t have a BD drive just yet.

Do you have the synced audio file??

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Not by itself. If I get a BD drive I ought to be able to extract it?

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According to the Blu Ray.com forum, the new 4K release includes the original audio track.

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Here’s a rough list I made of movies that have been ruined by stereo (specifically ones that have had intrusive new sounds added). Feel free to add to it.

007 films: The films from Dr. No to The Man With The Golden Gun have all had additional foley added to their stereo “remixes”. Thankfully, they also include the mono mixes on the Blu-Ray.

The Godfather (Parts I and II): Some sound effects have been changed in more recent releases.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: Not only have they ruined the sound effects on DVD, but several scenes are missing from Gone in 60 Seconds.

Dirty Harry series: Enough has been said about how much these films have been ruined, so I’m not going to say anything.

An American Werewolf in London: In addition to the annoying new foley effects, the entire soundtrack has been pitched down!

Thunderbirds: The classic Gerry Anderson series was remastered in stereo in the late 90s. Unfortunately, they added additional sounds to the mix (sometimes not very well, as you can still hear the original sounds underneath). The 50th Anniversary set released by Shout! Factory includes the mono soundtrack, thankfully.

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any which way you can / every which way but loose has new added foley effects . while they sound good, nothing ever sounded like that in the late 70’s.

the jerk - new foley effects and a pointless 5.1 mix . The original mix is on the old 4:3 DVD.

one flew over the cuckoo’s nest - another point less 5.1 mix w/ added foley. The old flipper disc might have the original mono.

the godfather series has the original mono but heavily compressed 2 channel 192kps . If it was at 1.0 192kps I don’t think the compression would be as bad.

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johnkimble said:

any which way you can / every which way but loose has new added foley effects . while they sound good, nothing ever sounded like that in the late 70’s.

the jerk - new foley effects and a pointless 5.1 mix . The original mix is on the old 4:3 DVD.

one flew over the cuckoo’s nest - another point less 5.1 mix w/ added foley. The old flipper disc might have the original mono.

the godfather series has the original mono but heavily compressed 2 channel 192kps . If it was at 1.0 192kps I don’t think the compression would be as bad.

They ruined The Jerk too?!?? That’s one of my dad’s favorite movies! Figures that they would only feature the remix on Blu-Ray.

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Smokey and the Bandit I heard had a remix with added stuff although apparently the BD release from last year does have the mono.

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Here’s some more:

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added, which I couldn’t detect when I went to a special screening a couple years ago. EDIT: They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: Another movie I’ve never heard of, this one has altered explosion sounds.

I want to give credit to the Bad Audio on Blu-Ray blog for some of these examples.

EDIT: Looks like I can add another movie to this list; My Favorite Brunette, which I’ve never seen. According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino last year has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

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johnkimble said:
the jerk - new foley effects and a pointless 5.1 mix . The original mix is on the old 4:3 DVD.

Shout Factory is coming out with a BD of this film this year. Hopefully the mono is included.

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skoal said:
Below are some links for Sha-Na-Na ‘Born To Hand Jive’ from the Grease. The last one strongly suggests a DVD release has the original soundtrack. Drums kick in after a fight on-screen and then a guy slides toward the camera and the remixed soundtrack has an extra foley effect.

I know this is an old post but I checked that last video. That’s not the original. That’s the song simply played over the movie footage. Note there’s no dialogue and sound effects and also the song doesn’t quite sync up right?? Most likely the work of whoever uploaded that video. The mix on the new 40th Anniversary release is as close as we’ve gotten to the original mix in 20 years. I recommend that release if you’re concerned of the audio for this film. Additionally check out this video from another user. There’s a few examples in there from Born to Hand Jive.

https://youtu.be/cuXu4e-tozs