Has it Ever Occured...

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Originally posted by: Windexed
I always thought Luke was sensing Vader from a 'father' standpoint rather than a sith one.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Vader could always sense her in the Force, he just never knew she was his daughter.

I doubt Padme was strong enough in the Force to leave an imprint Vader would notice, and he might have forgotten Padme altogether by then.

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...confused as to how/why he brought Padme into it...it was never said/suggested that she had any linking to the force (well im sure there are things that you can say suggest it, but it was never said)

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Sensing is not an exact science.

It's not really using the Force, so much as it is learning to mind their thoughts. I'll explain why this is and use examples from the films.

First of all, the Jedi have been totally unaware of the Sith's continued existence for a thousand years.

Lucas said that it's like walking into a fog. The Dark Side is everywhere and the Jedi are having trouble sensing it. Obi-wan senses something in the Force, but he doesn't know what it is or where it's at. And because Qui-gon told him not to center on his anxieties, he didn't investigate it further.

When Obi-wan and Qui-gon arrive on the Trade Federation ship, they can sense the fear and unease from Nute Gunray and his associates. They feel that fear like a beacon in black of night, but they haven't determined what that fear is all about. They don't dig deep enough, instead they choose to wait until they meet for the negotiations. Had Nute and Rune entered the conference room, it wouldn't take long for the two Jedi to determine the reason behind their fear. That they had an invasion army and were dealing with someone sinister.

Not long after meeting Padme, they discover that she's pretending to be a handmaiden and not her true role as the Queen of Naboo. Qui-gon uses this to his advantage when he takes shots at her on Tatooine. Lucas makes mention of this in the TPM DVD commentary. The reason the Jedi know this is because she has had little experience around Jedi, virtually none and she has no idea that they were on to her from almost the beginning.

Darth Maul had to rely on trace from the location device on the Nubian, to find them on Tatooine. And later had to rely on the probes to find Qui-gon. Neither Force user detected the presence of the other on Tatooine.

When Anakin meets with the Council, his thoughts are like an open book to them and thus they know what he's thinking about. It is in AOTC that we hear Obi-wan tell Anakin to mind his thoughts and feelings. He knows what on Anakin's mind and he totally disproves of it. As a Jedi trained in the Force and knowledgeable about how their thoughts and feelings can be sensed, they must take extra care not to be discovered by their peers or enemies. Yoda senses something from Palpatine, but he isn't sure what it is.

On Geonosis, Obi-wan does not detect the Dark Side in Dooku. Nor does Mace Windu and the rest of the Jedi.

Anakin tells Padme on Naboo that they could hide their relationship from the Jedi, in effect living a lie. Padme's not comfortable with this as she knows that the consequences of doing that would be devestating. However they decide to get married anyway and try to keep it hidden.

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We already know from Ian McCraig that Padme's going to try and hide her
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Also, on Tatooine in AOTC, Yoda senses Anakin's pain through the meditation of the Force. He also hears Qui-gon Jinn at the same time. Later, chasing Dooku on Geonosis, he senses Anakin's anger at leaving Padme behind, which is why he asks for his ship. It's not until after Dooku uses Force lightning that Yoda even mentions the "Dark Side". Pretty big hint, that lightning.

Of course, at the end of the PT, Obi-wan and Yoda were able to fake their deaths and the Sith had no idea of this.

In ANH, Obi-wan felt the massive distrubance from Alderaan as it blew up, even without relying on meditation.

When Obi-wan and Vader fight, Vader has no idea of his children's existence, much less that they're on the Death Star with him. Nor does he know of Obi-wan's ability to disappear upon death, to become one with the Force. Luke was not felt until he was prepared to destroy the Death Star, and since he isn't felt until immediately after Obi-wan "talks" to him, it's arguable that Vader "sensed" Obi-wan, rather than Luke.

In ESB, Vader is able to hide his whereabouts from Luke both in the carbon-freezing chamber, and on the station in the reactor tube. Later, when Vader discovers that Luke has no idea of his true heritage. He brings it ups and finds that he was correct, thus he turns around and bring about the big bomb shell. He then tells Luke to search his feelings, for he knows it to be true. And Luke realizes that it's very well possible that Vader's telling the truth.

By ROTJ, Luke goes to face the Sith and has the knowledge of Yoda and Leia safely secured. The Sith have no idea of this until Luke let's his mental defenses down, and Vader discovers that he has a daughter as well.

We know also in ROTJ, that Leia could sense the turmoil in Luke when he arrived for the meeting. And then later when he went out for a walk, at the Ewok village.

We know that in AOTC, none of the Jedi know that Count Dooku is Darth Tyranus. Nor do they buy into his claim about Sidious controlling the Senate, but are willing to keep an eye open anyway. We also know that Obi-wan knew that Jango Fett was indeed the assassin on Courscant, but had to run it by the Council before acting.

Sidious had no idea that Vader was indeed in conflict, despite saying that there was no conflict to Luke. Nor did he know that Vader had finally turned back and was going to grab him.

All prime examples of the fact that Jedi and Sith can learn to block their thoughts from being sensed, and that normal people can if they try to mind their thoughts and feelings. And by hiding their true feelings, the Sith can remain safely anonymous.

Palpatine uses a mind trick on Padme, and later on Jar Jar. This does not require use of the Force, but a "silver tongue". Meaning that he plays upon the passions and prejudices of others, just as Obi-wan described him.

Dooku does the same thing: he tells Obi-wan the truth, but only so much that he knows he won't believe it. It's important that Dooku tells this much to him, in order to try to convert him, and most likely is part of the plan.

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