so i have 2 video sources for my project 1 is 23.976 and the other 29.970.
i am starting to learn about the pulldown method. tmpgenc is no longer free. so where do i start with this? what soft ware will i need to add 2:3 pulldown? both sources are to be edited together for dvd authoring. and what about the audio? if i do the 2:3 pulldown wont the audio be out of sync? confusing.thanks for help.
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I assume you want to edit the two sources together in a single playback item on the DVD?
You didn't mention whether your 29.97fps source is real 29.97fps interlaced, 23.976fps with "hard" pulldown, or 23.976fps with pulldown implemented by repeat field flags. The way to deal with the differing frame rates depends on the exact nature of the sources.
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Assuming this is the same Kill Bill project, and based on what ibs has said in other threads, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's 23.976 with "hard" pulldown, whereas the other source was 23.976 with repeat field flags (explaining why he was able to get it to 23.976 so easily).
ok here is the media info for both volumes right from the video_ts folders. only for 1 vob each.just so you can see what i have.
vol 1
Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Duration : 22mn 58s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 458 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 9 800 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : 2:3 Pulldown
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.538
Stream size : 732 MiB (72%)
vol 2
Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Duration : 24mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 088 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 9 800 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.395
Stream size : 715 MiB (70%)
i would like to have them both at 23.976 and i think thats how i am supposed to do it. how to get there and have a file extension ready for vegas without losing video quality is what i must learn today. thanks for the effort guys! really greatfull.
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is it better to have progressive scan for editing? as i really want to avoid scan lines like what was seen in qthegaijin edit.
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ibleedspeed said: is it better to have progressive scan for editing?
Yes. You can't rely on Mediainfo to work out what you have; you'll have to examine the videos for yourself. The programs you need are Avisynth, DGIndex, and Virtualdubmod (all free). Neuron2's FAQ should be your first port of call.
thanks chewy.
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VirtualDubMod is outdated - I'd recommend you get the newest VirtualDub release instead, with appropriate input driver plug-ins as required.
If you're going to be working with AviSynth scripts, AvsPmod makes things much easier.
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I hesitate to suggest it, but he could leave the progressive pulldown flags alone and edit it directly in Womble.
The output would be variable framerate but for a novice it might be easier.
Dr. M
i did a rough edit in womble when i first started but i could not get it a descent picture quality. thanks for the avspmod suggestion moth3r. for some reason virtualdub would not make a usable d2v file for the interlaced source. when i tried to make the avs script gordian knot said not a valid d2v file. tried it over and over again. i am having a hard time with this. i really want good quality but all these software,s seem to be fighting against me rather helping.
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It seems like there's something up with the interlaced source. What source are you using exactly? Retail DVD, rental DVD, or a downloaded copy?
i own the usa versions of kill billl. however my japanese sources were borrowed and ripped to my hardrive i expected them both to come out to the same specs. but for some reason vol 2 was interlaced and set to 29.970. i am still a little lost on pulldown but from what i understand i need to make a d2v file first from vol 2 then an avs script then use dgpulldown to change it to progressive. is that right? but the problem is i cant get the d2v to load into gordian knot. i worked on this all day yesterday and got absolutely nowhere. today i am encoding these copy,s in ripbot. i have almost given up trying to do it the right way.
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You shouldn't be using a source you don't own.
as you can see in the first line of my post i own kill bill vol 1 and 2 what difference does it make what country they are from?
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ibleedspeed said:
as you can see in the first line of my post i own kill bill vol 1 and 2 what difference does it make what country they are from?
If it doesn't matter which country they are from, why did you need to rip the Japanese one?
does anybody else see a problem with this? if there is a problem i need to know before i waste another 3 weeks of my life on this edit. is using the japanese sources when i own the us sources any more illegal then any fanedit? somehow i doubt it.
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TV's Frink said:
ibleedspeed said:
as you can see in the first line of my post i own kill bill vol 1 and 2 what difference does it make what country they are from?
If it doesn't matter which country they are from, why did you need to rip the Japanese one?
Because the Japanese version of Volume 1 is uncensored, whereas the US version is censored (black-and-white House of Blue Leaves fight & shorter, less violent O-Ren anime sequence). I see no problem with him using the Japanese source to get the uncensored version, especially since he owns the US release.
Also, ibleedspeed - the US and Japanese Volume 2 are 100% identical (no US censorship like Volume 1), so try using your US Volume 2 DVD instead. That might solve your problem right there.
like it or not fanediting is reproducing copyrighted material for distribution. i understand why ot.com try,s to appear legit. but in any case i doubt that what source was used in any given edit makes any difference provided you own the movie.
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i thought about that ash and you are probably right i should just go to my us copy of vol 2 the only scene changes are at estebans hooker house and they do not matter and dont have any time difference. good call.
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ibleedspeed: You will not win the copyright debate. I suggest you let it go.
As far as your interlace problems are concern, you may want to post a short clip. That should be allowed.
Dr. M
ibleedspeed said:
but in any case i doubt that what source was used in any given edit makes any difference provided you own the movie.
I disagree. Is it ok to use a blu-ray source if you only own the DVD? Is it ok to use a DVD source if you only own a vhs?
Having said that, if the only difference between the two sources is censorship of one source, it's more of a grey area.
I just checked up on Vol. 2, and you're right, there are some editing differences. However, it's not censorship so much as it's just edited slightly differently, so I'd just use the US DVD of Vol. 2. It'll (hopefully) solve a lot of your headaches, which really aren't worth it if the content is almost identical.
yeah i can agree tv,s frink there is a grey area here. but unless any mods have a problem with it i will continue as planned. doc m by post a short clip you mean from the souce dvd? how would i do that? with utube or is there a way i am missing? its not like you can see the interlace on the source it looks flawless. would it be better to post a log of the video specs? i tried mediainfo but as i understand mediainfo lies. so how would i go about getting a real video spec?
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ahh my mkv encode finally finished. ash you have a trained eye does this look ok for a source?
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fully embedded subs, 4400 kbps in ripbot. it looks good to me. but now how do i go from mkv to lossless avi? lol this is crazy stuff guys i had no idea what i was getting in to here.
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