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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions, and existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition


What a bunch of crap!


So remaster them. "We were unable to put the extraordinaty amount of time..." No. You are unwilling. There is a difference.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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Originally posted by: Ozkeeper
It's a dead horse. Not sure why 'we' keep flogging it.

Most people just don't care. Sad, but true. We are such a tiny tiny group that no-one really gives a crap what we think or how upset we may get. At least half the people that will buy and watch this release won't even notice it's not a decent release. They will just watch it, and then maybe comment to the people at work that it looks like crap compared to the SE, without ever realising why. George gets what he wants all the way.

The majority of people that love the original movies as they were seen in cinemas in the 70's and 80's dont vist sites like this one, or even know they exist. People really just don't know or care.

During the screening at the Comic Con, did the room rise as one and cry " Bullshit!" ? Of course not. That is a large gathering of fans, that probably do have access to web info, and probably did have prior knowledge of the poor release prior to going to the Con...yet, they don't voice any protest. If they don't care enough to cry foul, why on earth is your average dvd buyer or Star Wars fan going to?

Sending disks back might cause a chuckle in the mail room at LFL, but it's just not going to cause anything to change. You've already paid for the disks. Thats why they are being released, to make money. Not to calm the flood of web postings across the net, but to make a few more easy dollars. I don't think they would care if every single copy was sent back with a hole drilled in it, or mint in a case. They won't repackage them as some of suggested. It would cost more to pick them up, check for scratches and send to a factory to repackage than it costs to simply make a new disk. Send back if the idea of owning them turns your guts, but don't expect it to change anything.

Would buying a million of them convince George that people want to see the OT on dvd in a decent release? Not unless he already knows that to be the case anyway, and either way, he has sold a millon of these crap things. I don't think its possible to convince him of anything he doesn't want to be convinced of.

It is just about the money. Not appeasing the fans or judging the market. It's just a release to drain some more money from fans. He will release a better version if he wants to , but I don't think high or low sales or a couple of thousand returned disks with angry letters will make him changes his plans. If he thinks by actually spending the coin and releasing a better print in a decent format will make him more money, then that's what he'll do. He doesn't need or want our admiration anymore. In fact, I think it just annoys him.


Thanks . That just depressed me for about a month . I guess that the truth hurts.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions, and existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition


What a bunch of crap!


So remaster them. "We were unable to put the extraordinaty amount of time..." No. You are unwilling. There is a difference.


I agree. I mean Robert Haress (SP?) is willing to give all his time to search for good quality prints and peice them together. Remaster them and give them a decent sound mix. I mean what the hell LFL, he is offering to do it at what a little more than 50 grand a pop.
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Who knows? Maybe at some point, they will. And maybe they won't. My manic energy and optimisim have burt out, and I'm in a depressed mood at the moment. In a while, I suppose I'll be back soon to post some more optimistic comments, but in the meantime, I'm just burnt out. I guess, at this point, all we can do is wait.

And as for Harris, I think that he is leaning on LFL. Kurtz and Hamill have both insulted him in the press. At the very least, even though a lot of people don't care, the situation is getting some fanfare. In a few weeks, if Amazon's list has the OOT discs on it for high sales, then maybe there will be a ray of hope. I'll fight a losing battle for something that I believe in. There are cases of fans winning, and Lucas seems to be softening on the issue. I guess, at this point, we can only wait. And hope.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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Luca$hFilm know that the OOT on DVD will sell. They know that there is a market for big sets containing all versions of movies (Alien Quadrilogy, Blade Runner Ultimate Edition).

Don't buy the September Discs and make sure you tell Luca$hFilm why you don't.

"Come on, kid, we're not outta this yet!"

And yes, Mike O, I am British!!
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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I still think the OOT will be on the uber boxset next year. I mean why did they chamically clean the OOT masters last year for nothing??
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I like this quote from the Sansweet presentation:

"Then, the real deal was shown. The cantina scene with Han shooting Greedo first was shown and received a huge round of cheers..."

Where was George Lucas when this happened? Was he safe inside his isolated room where everyone on his payroll keeps telling him he's a genius? If not, I'm concerned his fat head might have exploded.
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OK, I've watched the trailer.....I don't get it.... I mean the trailer unfolds and reads like this is the first time the SE's have ever been released or something...? It also seems like the one big huge selling point is that you can buy them individually....WOW Really? Thanks a lot.....LMAO Why would that be enough of a reason for anybody, SW fan or not, to get excited over this release? And yes, all you get is just a brief mention of the "bonus" footage.......unbelievable....it's just surreal....

Does anybody remember the show "Candid Camera"? I feel like I'm on that show right now.........

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I hope that out optimism is right, I really do. And sorry Ozkeeper. You just put the truth pretty bluntly. Didn't mean to sound harsh.

And yes, Mike O, I am British!!


The O stands for O'Connor . And call me Mike .

Here's an idead to please everybody. Give the OOT a gorgeous frame-by-frame restoration and included all of the necessary audio tracks (5.1/2.0/mon, etc.). Transfer it to DVD. Then add all of the stuff from the SEs to make George happy. Transfer it to disc. Now you have perfect masters of the OOT and SEs for future releases and everyone is happy. I swear...

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Sure, Mike!

We're going to get fine DVDs of the OOT as part of a retrospective collection, you mark my words! I will not be palmed off with these September Discs!
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They can't have it both ways- they can't stress in all the advertising that the OOT is basically the main feature of these releases and still give the movies sub-standard, "bonus feature" treatment. This WILL backfire- big time.

I can hardly wait for the backlash.

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Originally posted by: Mielr

I can hardly wait for the backlash.


That will be fun to watch unfold
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I just hope that all non-Newscorp press will cover the release properly and highlight the unacceptable difference in the presentations of the squeaky-clean SEs and the early-90s videos of the OOT.

I don't hold out much hope for honesty from Murdoch's "News" Corporation at the best of times, but definitely not where an associated company is concerned. This Sansweet fucker is a taste of the coverage the September Discs will get from them.

As far as the claim that the September Discs will be better than the bootlegs goes, I'm sure the better bootleggers take the time to avoid the sort of picture problems people saw at ComicCon.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle

As far as the claim that the September Discs will be better than the bootlegs goes, I'm sure the better bootleggers take the time to avoid the sort of picture problems people saw at ComicCon.

I'm wondering though, if there were some problems with the projection set-up they used? DVDs can look like crap if not projected properly.

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Originally posted by: zombie84
Then, the real deal was shown. The cantina scene with Han shooting Greedo first was shown and received a huge round of cheers when Han, did, as they are pushing so hard and handing out buttons to state, shoot first. But, oh boy, was there something wrong with what was on screen. Please set aside the issue of the loss of image resolution that the 4:3 letterboxed discs, as what was seen on screen was far more concerning:

Deinterlacing artifacts were visible throughout the clip, showing as horizontal combing in every bit of motion and in every shot transition. Speaking with my friends that I attended with, they all saw it clear as day as well. Not good. I’m rather lousy at understanding IVTC, but what I saw on screen was not acceptable.

I was rather startled at the dismissive attitude from Steve Sansweet towards the informed concerns highlighted from forum users and industry professionals, and the calculated assurances that he made about the supposed quality of the sources used for this project. His final comments on the issue were basically along the lines of “George considers these versions dead to him, so you should be grateful you’re getting them at all.”
--THX 1138


So, the quality of this release will even be below proper non-anamorphic standards?

I was guessing there would be too much data loss. I'm just sad to realize that it's true. Nobody should buy these DVDs. I'm done with the whole deal now. All the excitement I had is now gone. If George ever stops being a dick long enough to treat the original theatrical versions like the amazing historical achievements they are, then and ony then will I come back. I don't need Star Wars.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I would suggest that artifacting caused by the projection set-up would produce different problems to artifacting caused in the creation of the disc itself? I appeal to any techies amongst us to settle that one...
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Yeah, you know what? We can win! Just like everyone else is saying, we can win by buying these DVDs and showing Lucas there is a demand for them. I mean, I know it would convince me that something's wrong when I suddenly get a huge influx of money from angry fans saying, "Ha! I sure showed you! Here's my money! That'll teach you. Maybe next time, after that stinging punishment I gave you, you'll get it right!"

Right...

If this new news is true, and the picture is as bad as they claim, screw this. I'm not buying it. Beat Lucas by giving him money? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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Originally posted by: Z6PO
Originally posted by: garethxxgod
Those screen shots do look pretty terrible.....they aren't going to be that bad are they?


As I said, they are from a quicktime movie (the "DVD Singles Trailer" available in the Hyperspace section of the official site), and they really show too much compression (DVDs have a far better resolution and aren't as much compressed).

To everyone who like to see this trailer (but it's not worth it), it has been posted to alt.binaries.starwars on Usenet. You'll need a newsgroup reader software for that (I use Unison on Mac OS X).


I've uploaded the trailer for those who don't have access to the newsgroup....



Click here

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If these screenshots are true Georgie boy definatly wont get be any cash for me for this, In all honesty I find truely amazing that the fans are prepared to actually put more time and effort into preserving these groundbreaking films for people to watch than(whether or not he was sastisfied with them) the Director who made megadollars from them.
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Thank You vbangle

EDIT: Ugh I watched it, it was terrible they talk about the "bonus material" for about 5 seconds outta the whole 3 minutes.
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I desperately want the OOT on dvd, even at this bad quality. Its really the only hope of saving the trilogy. So jump on my back saying I contributed to the Orwellian-Stalinist Holcaust sellout phase of George Lucas. I feel guilty enough already.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape

If this new news is true, and the picture is as bad as they claim, screw this. I'm not buying it. Beat Lucas by giving him money? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


I think we're going to keep hearing this, because there's some confusion or obfuscation over short- and long-term goals, and pragmatic and moral victories.

For some people, their short term goal is getting the trilogy. Because they want an official copy of it in the "best" format available. My short term goal is saving money; spending it only those things that are of exemplary quality. Because I am poor. Or stingy. Take your pick. In any case, I can derive no satisfaction, even over the short run, by purchasing something I consider substandard. (Exceptions: Beer, if I am already drunk. Pizza, if I am hungry.)

Getting the trilogy is my long-term goal. I am younger than GL, I can wait for him to die, or for the cash flow from the TV show and the 3D rererelease to dry up around 2014-2020. The sooner the cash flow at the Ranch dries up, the sooner Lucas will go back to the O-OT and give it a proper treatment. High sales of the 2006 release will only retard this effect by increasing current revenue, encouraging investment, and increasing future expected profits, sans any good release of the O-OT.

After choosing a goal, we can frame our choices as a pragmatic or moral victory. I think the people who are "giving in" are explaining their choice as a moral victory. "I'll get the O-OT, mail the SE back to George, and that'll show him!" Yes, I admit I was one of the early proponents of the mailback scheme. I still am, if you absolutely must purchase the new release. But that was more for the masturbatorily ironic feelgood warmth of direct consumer action, not out of any belief that it would change things. I'm not out to "prove" anything to Lucas, because I don't think I can. I'm not in this for your rebellion, Princess. I'm in it for me. Sorry. So I may not get the official DVDs, but I consider that a thoroughly pragmatic victory, in line with both my short and long term goals.

To get back on topic, the presentation of this footage is exactly the way I imagined it would be. Well, I thought there wouldn't be any interlacing artifacts, but I guess you can't anticipate everything.
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I've uploaded the trailer for those who don't have access to the newsgroup....


Just watched it. I love... "...and as a special value bonus, the original theatrical versions...

WTF! what is "special value bonus"? I guess thats another way of saying, CRAPPY.
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Sansweets comments also illuminate one interesting thing--the DVNR is being carried over. Possibly the only advantage this release possible could have had just went out the window.

So lets sum this all up:

-1993 Laserdisk master
-DVNR issues (as per Sansweet)
-Interlacing errors (as per report from Comic Con)
-non-anamorphic
-overly bright 1993 home video colour correction (as per Sansweet)

So what started as potentially maybe ten percent better than the Laserdisk, suddenly got knocked way the fuck down to actually potentially looking worse than the Laserdisk seeing as there are new DVD interlacing errors as well as the horrible DVNR.

Thanks.