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Originally posted by: boba feta
Perhaps, but resolution aint everything.
Perhaps, but resolution aint everything.
I think some people would disagree with that.
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I think some people would disagree with that.
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And there's not even a question over whether these DVDs will sell. They know they will. They wouldn't be releasing them at all otherwise.
What with Luca$hFilm's track record and the upcoming 30th Anniversary, I do not believe that they will stick to the "last time ever" plan. I will not be blackmailed by their ridiculous plans to withdraw these editions on the 31st December either. Maybe these editions will be out for the "last time ever" but they know that they can milk the OOT just as much as they have the SEs (2 releases in as many years?!!).
I have not purchased any SW DVDs so far, SE or PT. I see no reason to change my mind yet. I have 4:3 letterbox copies of the OOT on VHS. They still work. I still have a VHS player. Luca$hFilm can fuck off if they think I'm going to buy these releases just because they're DVDs.
I think I have a right to expect more from a company that has prided itself since 1977 on having the most cutting-edge technology.
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Originally posted by: Mielr
I agree- I've said before that this DVD release is a sign that he's starting to soften. Remember 1995- "ONE LAST TIME!" Well, that wasn't 100% true, now was it? I think eventually the OOT will be PROPERLY released- but probably not for the 30th anniversary. I'm betting it will get a blu-ray or hd-dvd release several years down the line, when one of the formats has caught on.
I think this September DVD release will be HUGE! It's going to blow Fox/Lucas away as to how many people still love and want the OOT. It will just give that much more reason for the OOT to be presented properly in a few years.
Originally posted by: Mike O
A quote from George Lucas himself" "Now we'll find out where people really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved version. It will all come out in the end." Plus, this is George Lucas we're talking about here. The man seems to have a genetic inability to release only one version of his films. Remaster OOT discs with 5.1/2.0/mono=more money. I highly, highly, highly doubt that we won't see a high quality release of the films in the future, probably the near future with the 30th anniversary so close at hand. Then, maybe, one Lucas sees that there is a market for the version of his films which the majority of fans actually like, then maybe, at some point before the end of time, we can see a high-quality release of the original release of THX 1138 so that I can finally see the movie.
As stated before though, I don't think this is the last we'll see of these movies on DVD.
A quote from George Lucas himself" "Now we'll find out where people really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved version. It will all come out in the end." Plus, this is George Lucas we're talking about here. The man seems to have a genetic inability to release only one version of his films. Remaster OOT discs with 5.1/2.0/mono=more money. I highly, highly, highly doubt that we won't see a high quality release of the films in the future, probably the near future with the 30th anniversary so close at hand. Then, maybe, one Lucas sees that there is a market for the version of his films which the majority of fans actually like, then maybe, at some point before the end of time, we can see a high-quality release of the original release of THX 1138 so that I can finally see the movie.
I agree- I've said before that this DVD release is a sign that he's starting to soften. Remember 1995- "ONE LAST TIME!" Well, that wasn't 100% true, now was it? I think eventually the OOT will be PROPERLY released- but probably not for the 30th anniversary. I'm betting it will get a blu-ray or hd-dvd release several years down the line, when one of the formats has caught on.
I think this September DVD release will be HUGE! It's going to blow Fox/Lucas away as to how many people still love and want the OOT. It will just give that much more reason for the OOT to be presented properly in a few years.
I hope so. But I want to see it on standard DVD as well as HD.
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They know there's a market for special releases of DVDs containing the original cuts and revised cuts. Prestige packages sell well and with a higher price tag. They will want a piece of that.
This will not be the last official Luca$hFilm release of the OOT on SD DVD.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
The success of releases like the 'Alien Quadrilogy' box set and the anticipation surrounding the 'Blade Runner Ultimate Edition' will not have gone unnoticed at Luca$hFilm.
They know there's a market for special releases of DVDs containing the original cuts and revised cuts. Prestige packages sell well and with a higher price tag. They will want a piece of that.
This will not be the last official Luca$hFilm release of the OOT on SD DVD.
The success of releases like the 'Alien Quadrilogy' box set and the anticipation surrounding the 'Blade Runner Ultimate Edition' will not have gone unnoticed at Luca$hFilm.
They know there's a market for special releases of DVDs containing the original cuts and revised cuts. Prestige packages sell well and with a higher price tag. They will want a piece of that.
This will not be the last official Luca$hFilm release of the OOT on SD DVD.
As I have said many times, I wholeheartedly agree. And where does the "h" come from? I understand the $. Isn't it amazing how quality release which give customers what they want in high quality tend to sell well? Hint, hint George.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: bgx90
Not buying the September release won't send the message that demand for the OOT doesn't exist; it will send the message that fans want a release of the OOT that is a transfered from the restored film sources and treated with the respect it deserves.
Hmm...or perhaps it'll send a message that the Sultan wishes for a bottle of Tokay.Not buying the September release won't send the message that demand for the OOT doesn't exist; it will send the message that fans want a release of the OOT that is a transfered from the restored film sources and treated with the respect it deserves.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
And where does the "h" come from? I understand the $.
And where does the "h" come from? I understand the $.
As in "CasH"
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Originally posted by: bgx90
No one seems to have mentioned that, since LFL is using laserdisc masters as the source for these DVD's, there will be those fade ins and fade outs that were added to the laserdisc versions as transitions between disc changes. For me, this alone would make the DVD's unwatchable and not worth buying; I could have almost tolerated a cheap letterboxed release if not for that. At least when fans make versions of the films from laserdisc sources, they eliminate the fades, although it is at the cost of a few frames, but those frames were ruined by the fades anyway.
No one seems to have mentioned that, since LFL is using laserdisc masters as the source for these DVD's, there will be those fade ins and fade outs that were added to the laserdisc versions as transitions between disc changes. For me, this alone would make the DVD's unwatchable and not worth buying; I could have almost tolerated a cheap letterboxed release if not for that. At least when fans make versions of the films from laserdisc sources, they eliminate the fades, although it is at the cost of a few frames, but those frames were ruined by the fades anyway.
There really aren't any "fades" on the laserdiscs (at least, not on the '93 or '95 discs)- it's just an abrupt black screen at the end of each side. That's why I prefer the "faces" LDs so much over the "definitive" LDs. On the "faces" LDs, there are only 2 side breaks in each film, (that's one break every 45-50 minutes), while with the definitive discs - there are 4 side breaks in each film (one break every 20-30 minutes!)
In any case, the side breaks won't be on the DVDs.
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Originally posted by: bgx90
Still, I would expect whatever introduced elements exist on the LD's, even if they are just black screens, will also exist on the DVD's, because they said that they were using the masters for the 1993 laserdiscs. That sounds like they are using the movie as edited for laserdisc to make the DVD's. If that were not the case, I would think that they would say they are using the masters for the 1993 release of the movies, rather than the specifically noting that the sources are from laserdisc masters, but the VHS and LD releases had different masters because of the differences in the two media. Also, as I and LFL have both said before but in different words, they aren't putting any effort into these releases at all, so I still expect there to be introduced artifacts from the laserdiscs that weren't on the original film prints or VHS tapes. I still say that these DVD's are no better than bootlegs and are being used as a gimmick to push more copies of "Special Edition" onto fans. I think Lucasfilms is the worst company I have seen in terms of how they value fans and customers.
Well, they'll have to put SOME effort into the DVDs, if the original '77 scroll is going to be on there, (as they're claiming). Still, I would expect whatever introduced elements exist on the LD's, even if they are just black screens, will also exist on the DVD's, because they said that they were using the masters for the 1993 laserdiscs. That sounds like they are using the movie as edited for laserdisc to make the DVD's. If that were not the case, I would think that they would say they are using the masters for the 1993 release of the movies, rather than the specifically noting that the sources are from laserdisc masters, but the VHS and LD releases had different masters because of the differences in the two media. Also, as I and LFL have both said before but in different words, they aren't putting any effort into these releases at all, so I still expect there to be introduced artifacts from the laserdiscs that weren't on the original film prints or VHS tapes. I still say that these DVD's are no better than bootlegs and are being used as a gimmick to push more copies of "Special Edition" onto fans. I think Lucasfilms is the worst company I have seen in terms of how they value fans and customers.
I don't know if the black screens exist on the original LD masters or not, but it wouldn't be hard for them to just edit out the black screens and join the footage together seamlessly. Other DVDs have been made from LD masters, and none of them have side breaks in them.
I don't see why there would be any artifacts that aren't on the VHS tapes- the "faces" VHS tapes and laserdiscs were made from the same transfers, and the LDs are of much higher quality than the VHS tapes.
I do feel that the new DVDs will be higher quality than the bootlegs, since the best source material the bootleggers and preservationists have to work with are laserdiscs, while the DVDs will be made from the LD masters.
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I read an interview with producer Gary Kurtz who produced ANH and Empire. From comments made in the interview concerning Star Wars and George Lucas, it is glaringly obvious to anyone reading that George Lucas' current philosophy is to make the most money possible while doing the least amount of work on a film. The only exception to this philosophy seems to be the "Special Edition" that has become his obsession. In other words, if George Lucas sees he can make as much money from these bad DVD's, he won't be very inclined to release a set that at least comes up to some sembelance of an industry standard.
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Ah, I see. Thank you.
In other words, if George Lucas sees he can make as much money from these bad DVD's, he won't be very inclined to release a set that at least comes up to some sembelance of an industry standard.
Originally posted by: Mike O
And where does the "h" come from? I understand the $.
As in "CasH"
And where does the "h" come from? I understand the $.
As in "CasH"
Ah, I see. Thank you.
In other words, if George Lucas sees he can make as much money from these bad DVD's, he won't be very inclined to release a set that at least comes up to some sembelance of an industry standard.
Oh, I don't know about that. The winds seem to be shifting a bit here. Remember, LFL answered the angry mail (with what basically amounted to a big "!@#$ you," but they did answer). He's got a lot of people leaning on him, in Hoolywood, and out, and in his own company. Tyrants create their own enemies. THX's bold slogan doesn't mean squat at the moment. Plus, this seems to really indicate that Lucas is changing his mind. Have you read the MTV interview? The weather is changing. Never say never. Or maybe I'm just foolishly optimistic.
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The original, unedited films will appear in stores on September 12 and, Disney-like, will return to Lucas' "vault" three months later. The startling news of the films' pending release will undoubtedly have diehard fans busting out in Ewok celebration dances and tossing their overtaxed VHS tapes into the trash.
I'm probably being a little paranoid when I say this but it could be that this is part of his plan to eradicate all traces of the OOT. After all, these DVD's will only be sold for three months, so there won't be as many copies of them as there are of old tapes and LD's.
But I would like to believe that Lucas is being sincere when he says he is trying to bate us to see how many people want these films on DVD instead of trying to appease us. It could be that he would re-release a better version later if these sell well. However, it could mean that he's just trying to bate us into buy the SE versions by packaging them with OOT. The fact remains that this is a consumer-provider relationship in a capitalist society which means the provider gets paid for producing a good product, not for testing the water with a low quality product and then deciding based on sales whether or not to give consumers the privilege of paying for a better version of the same product.
After reading that, I am cautiously optimistic that a better version may follow, but I am still discouraged by the fact that LFL is using the "ONE LAST TIME" ploy.
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Originally posted by: bgx90
Interesting, but I wonder if he is bating us to see if there is a market or if it's for some other reason. I saw this in a story linked in the interview:
I'm probably being a little paranoid when I say this but it could be that this is part of his plan to eradicate all traces of the OOT. After all, these DVD's will only be sold for three months, so there won't be as many copies of them as there are of old tapes and LD's.
But I would like to believe that Lucas is being sincere when he says he is trying to bate us to see how many people want these films on DVD instead of trying to appease us. It could be that he would re-release a better version later if these sell well. However, it could mean that he's just trying to bate us into buy the SE versions by packaging them with OOT. The fact remains that this is a consumer-provider relationship in a capitalist society which means the provider gets paid for producing a good product, not for testing the water with a low quality product and then deciding based on sales whether or not to give consumers the privilege of paying for a better version of the same product.
After reading that, I am cautiously optimistic that a better version may follow, but I am still discouraged by the fact that LFL is using the "ONE LAST TIME" ploy.
Interesting, but I wonder if he is bating us to see if there is a market or if it's for some other reason. I saw this in a story linked in the interview:
The original, unedited films will appear in stores on September 12 and, Disney-like, will return to Lucas' "vault" three months later. The startling news of the films' pending release will undoubtedly have diehard fans busting out in Ewok celebration dances and tossing their overtaxed VHS tapes into the trash.
I'm probably being a little paranoid when I say this but it could be that this is part of his plan to eradicate all traces of the OOT. After all, these DVD's will only be sold for three months, so there won't be as many copies of them as there are of old tapes and LD's.
But I would like to believe that Lucas is being sincere when he says he is trying to bate us to see how many people want these films on DVD instead of trying to appease us. It could be that he would re-release a better version later if these sell well. However, it could mean that he's just trying to bate us into buy the SE versions by packaging them with OOT. The fact remains that this is a consumer-provider relationship in a capitalist society which means the provider gets paid for producing a good product, not for testing the water with a low quality product and then deciding based on sales whether or not to give consumers the privilege of paying for a better version of the same product.
After reading that, I am cautiously optimistic that a better version may follow, but I am still discouraged by the fact that LFL is using the "ONE LAST TIME" ploy.
Yes, but you are applying logical think to George Lucas, which he has not utilized for decades
. Lucas seems to take people's preference of the OOT over the SE as a deeply personal attack on his ego for some reason or another. With the 30th anniversary coming up, I wonder what he is testing the waters for... He knows that many people here would pay through the nose for a remastered OOT in a boxed set no matter what it was packaged with. If laymen will buy the OOT (and it seems to be general consensus that these will sell well), then what will diehards pay? They used the "one last time ploy" back in 1995. It wasn't true then, and I highly doubt that it's true now. Robert A. Harris has offered several times to restore the originals. The saga is over. LFL is running out of proucts to milk DVD buyers with. The "vault" comment came before the "baiting" one. Lucas is stubborn, but not stupid. He can only run from reason for so long before it comes back and hits him in the face. He wants to see if OOT fans will put their money where their mouths are. As we know, many will. “What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
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Originally posted by: bgx90
I believe that the new DVD's will be more durable than available bootlegs; pressed DVD's always are. I've heard that's true. I guess it has to do with the relatively fragile nature of the dye in the DVD-Rs (same goes for CD-Rs).
I guess this time it can be called "ONE LAST TIME...NO, REALLY! I MEAN IT THIS TIME!!"
Originally posted by: bgx90 I just think that while they were doing all of this editing of the LD masters, they should have removed the most glaring artifact: the letterboxes and made the picture anamorphic..
But that would require a new transfer. Apparently, they're not willing to do that this time around.I believe that the new DVD's will be more durable than available bootlegs; pressed DVD's always are. I've heard that's true. I guess it has to do with the relatively fragile nature of the dye in the DVD-Rs (same goes for CD-Rs).
Originally posted by: bgx90
After reading that, I am cautiously optimistic that a better version may follow, but I am still discouraged by the fact that LFL is using the "ONE LAST TIME" ploy.
After reading that, I am cautiously optimistic that a better version may follow, but I am still discouraged by the fact that LFL is using the "ONE LAST TIME" ploy.
I guess this time it can be called "ONE LAST TIME...NO, REALLY! I MEAN IT THIS TIME!!"
Originally posted by: bgx90 I just think that while they were doing all of this editing of the LD masters, they should have removed the most glaring artifact: the letterboxes and made the picture anamorphic..
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But that would require a new transfer. Apparently, they're not willing to do that this time around.
Not yet anyways.
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But that would require a new transfer. Apparently, they're not willing to do that this time around.
Not yet anyways.
They may never decide to do it. Remember that email from Lucasfilms saying that they have no plan to ever do restore the OOT because it's not *sarcastic whiny artist voice* "George's artistic vision." Every time I go over this whole mess in my head, I keep coming back to that line that LFL has drawn in the sand. Sure it may not last, but who knows.
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Originally posted by: bgx90
They may never decide to do it. Remember that email from Lucasfilms saying that they have no plan to ever do restore the OOT because it's not *sarcastic whiny artist voice* "George's artistic vision." Every time I go over this whole mess in my head, I keep coming back to that line that LFL has drawn in the sand. Sure it may not last, but who knows?
But that would require a new transfer. Apparently, they're not willing to do that this time around.
Not yet anyways.
They may never decide to do it. Remember that email from Lucasfilms saying that they have no plan to ever do restore the OOT because it's not *sarcastic whiny artist voice* "George's artistic vision." Every time I go over this whole mess in my head, I keep coming back to that line that LFL has drawn in the sand. Sure it may not last, but who knows?
Remember when Lucas said that Star Wars would never be released on video or shown on T.V? How about the 1995 release beng "one last time?" Or the fact that the original versions would never be released on DVD. The e-mail was merely a form response. Lucas's comments are far more revealing, in my ever so humble opinion. The reckoning is coming. Don't give up hope
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Luca$hFilm consistently milks the Star Wars movies for all they are worth and they are not above lying to create buying frenzies. Saying that they will not release the OOT again is a lie. They know there is a market for it and they are led by the market.
Luca$h is not an artist slaving over his 'vision', he is a businessman who has one really popular product and will repackage and rerelease it as often as is possible in order for it to generate the maximum amount of profit it will support.
Just look at his proposed rerelease of the PT and SEs in 3D! Are we supposed to think that that was his 'original vision' in 1976?! Bollocks! It's just yet another repackaging, designed to generate more money from the same product. Will it make the movies better? No. Will the 3D imagery distract people from the poor storytelling? Well, since Luca$h seems to have decided to target his franchise at pre-teens, then I'm afraid it probably will.
The Disney reference is spot on. It infuriates me the way they keep withdrawing their DVDs, particularly classics like 'The Jungle Book', and then rereleasing them a few months or years down the line. Luca$hFilm clearly want a piece of that action. If they keep withdrawing the films and then rereleasing them it should mean that the sales never peak. There will always be demand.
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