As SE fans already have what they want, to be upset at the OOT being released would simply be an act of spite.
Marvel seems to have a level of autonomy, (they are still releasing 3D Blu Rays when Disney can't be arsed to do so in the U.S. these days) so Lucasfilm may have similar control over it's assets.
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
As SE fans already have what they want
This statement is just as ignorant as "you already have OOT on 2006 DVD".
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Not that I'm in the mood for you tonight, but kindly elucidate?
The pro SE people I see on Twitter seem content with the Blu Rays, (and see no need for an OOT release) and now they're happy with digital download Foxless versions too. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from them...
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
Not that I'm in the mood for you tonight, but kindly elucidate?
Could you point me to a 1997 SE release in HD?
SilverWook said:
The pro SE people I see on Twitter seem content with the Blu Rays, (and see no need for an OOT release) and now they're happy with digital download Foxless versions too. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from them...
Those are people who adore PT. Naturally they adore PT infested 2004/2011 versions. The same people who would get upset by a release of OOT in HD.
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Okay, I guess I should have said 2011 SE's. Or SE 3.0? It's not like I've watched any of those versions recently. ;)
Where were you in '77?
The 2011 SE's are more like 2.5. The 97 is 1.0 and the 2004 is 2.0. The 2011 SE doesn't have enough changes or improvements (like a new scan for starters) to qualify as 3.0.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
Well, I'm one of those crazies who wants the SE done right and an OOT restoration (or at least a rudimentary cleanup job comparable to a Criterion release).
I'd most likely have to buy the most recent version just to get the unaltereds anyway, so why not demand quality from both?
We agree about the importance of the SE versions, and the prequels. Of course we will have to preserve them with care also.
We know Disney will never be able to figure out how to release those properly either, even if we walked up to them with a completed copy. They would still find a way to mess it up.
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If I had to pick I'd want a remastered OOT and a remastered '97 SE. Then again you get the fans who go 'I like the '04/'11 version!' or 'I wanted a new SE version that fixed stuff that was messed up before'. George Lucas what have you done to us??
team_negative1 said:
We agree about the importance of the SE versions, and the prequels. Of course we will have to preserve them with care also.
We know Disney will never be able to figure out how to release those properly either, even if we walked up to them with a completed copy. They would still find a way to mess it up.
Team Negative1
I guess I don't understand the "all or nothing" standard with the OOT. In another thread you said that a barebones release of the OOT would be worse than not having it. So by this standard it would have been better for the movies to never have been released on home video. The video tapes had inaccurate colors, the laserdiscs weren't particularly excellent compared to other laserdiscs. I mean, to say that anything short of absolutely perfect is unacceptable seems quite unfair. Not to mention, if Disney thinks that this is the attitude held by a lot of fans then I wouldn't blame them for not considering a release of the OOT.
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Either way even if it is released, two days later there will be a thread here with someone going 'I have taken the new BluRay of the OOT and color corrected, and put the Fox logo back, etc.' It's practically impossible to please even those who pretty much got their wish. I guess it'll be like 2006 all over again.
crissrudd4554 said:
A rerelease of OOT is only gonna be met with open arms by the fans who want it but anger SE edition fans.
You think so? Do people that ridiculous actually exist?
It's like people who are against gay marriage. Even if it was passed in every state, it wouldn't effect THEIR ability to get married to someone of the opposite sex, so why do people care so much? (Not the most apt comparison, but you know what I'm getting at) You still have the option, just like SE apologists can still watch their 1080p transfers of the SE 3.0 (or 2.5, or whatever), anytime. Their "preferred" version already exists on what is currently the best home video format, but apparently the GOUT would somehow 'challenge' that? I really hope these people don't exist in large numbers, because that borders heavily on irrational 'nerd rage'.
The kind of people who "love" the SE probably don't even notice that the films are further changed anytime it hits a new format. To them, "it's Star Wars on BD, and that's all I care about".
The SE's are available on Blu-ray AND as digital downloads. They aren't going anywhere, so if Disney announced tomorrow that the GOUT was finally getting a high def home video release, the detractors wouldn't be able to cry foul unless it meant the SE's would no longer be available.
I forgot to mention that there are obviously some who would like to see the '97 versions of the SE available in HD, and who aren't satisfied with the changes done to the BD/digital releases (hell, even I wouldn't mind that), but I seriously doubt Disney would ever go as far to make 'hybrid' versions of the SEs (keeping the updated CGI from the BD versions, but removing some of the more 'offensive' stuff seen in the DVD and BD releases). So really, those select few will be impossible to please, because the odds of that happening are a hell of a lot lower than us getting the GOUT on a modern home video format.
crissrudd4554 said:
If I had to pick I'd want a remastered OOT and a remastered '97 SE. Then again you get the fans who go 'I like the '04/'11 version!' or 'I wanted a new SE version that fixed stuff that was messed up before'.
I think I said many times on this forum that I am of the 'I wanted a new SE version that fixed stuff that was messed up before' type :P.
We should have 3 released, the OUT, the Lucas Cut, and a Semi-Specialized cut. The ladder two would have updated CGI to make sure every thing blends in properly. The last one would have Han shooting first, no Jabba scene...perhaps similar to the Darth Editous cut or some of the HD semi-specialized cuts released.
Why updated CGI? Let me give an example When I see how bad the CGI is in the Mos Eisley landspeeder scenes, I cringe a little, but at the same time it's important to me. I remember the Mos Eisley map in Star Wars Battlefront 2 and climbing up that crashed ship with a jetpack. Little details like this are nostalgic to me...
I still think the next release should have OUT, Lucas Cut, and Semi-Specialized cut :P
edit: Of course, all three of these cuts should be the highest resolution possible, which means abandoning the 1080p 2004/2011 transfer, and possibly even the 2k 97se base...
Still, reconstructing the OUT and then building two new SE's over that...how much money would that be? :P
...as for TPM, that film might also have to be rebuilt from the ground up for high resolution-ness. AOTC and ROTS are lost causes since they were "filmed" at 1080p to begin with.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
I wasn't signaling anyone out. I'm just saying I know how people are. This was not me going 'these fans are right, these fans are wrong'. I'm just saying regardless of what goes down latter there will be a crowd of unhappy people. Lord there will probably be people who go 'the originals are coming back? ugh the SE's were way better.' You say things like the CGI in Mos Eisley is important to you as I'm sure there's probably others like yourself who feel the same. For people like myself it's not important. I say movies are movies and they should just exist as they are. Why change something that's practically a piece of history? But that's my opinion. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong just like I'm saying you're not right or wrong.
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Also Danfun128 no need to do this :p so many times. We get it. You're a SE fan who wants more work done to the film's. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
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imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
slask said:
imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
It is very serious. You just don't get the point.
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crissrudd4554 said:
Also Danfun128 no need to do this :p so many times. We get it.
Sorry, bad habit. :p *shot*
crissrudd4554 said:
You're a SE fan who wants more work done to the film's. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I said I like some of the SE changes. I never said I supported Greedo Shooting First, or Jedi Rocks, or Hayden Christenson as Anakin's Force Ghost, or Vaders arrival to the Executor in ESB...
I admit that I am a fan of semi-specialized edits. That being said, I have never supported how Lucas ignored the OUT. The fact that the OUT has the potential to go 4k or higher if the negatives could be found without SE elements doesn't help matters. (The 97se is a mixture of original footage and 2k edits. The 2004se was made by scanning the 97se film. This means that some scenes have been edited by a computer twice. Hence one of the reasons I think an official SE and Semi-Specialized SE should be built from the ground up.)
I wouldn't be surprised if there are other members of the forums that care about the SE more than I do. Like you said, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
Danfun128 said:I said I like some of the SE changes. I never said I supported Greedo Shooting First, or Jedi Rocks, or Hayden Christenson as Anakin's Force Ghost, or Vaders arrival to the Executor in ESB...
I admit that I am a fan of semi-specialized edits. That being said, I have never supported how Lucas ignored the OUT. The fact that the OUT has the potential to go 4k or higher if the negatives could be found without SE elements doesn't help matters. (The 97se is a mixture of original footage and 2k edits. The 2004se was made by scanning the 97se film. This means that some scenes have been edited by a computer twice. Hence one of the reasons I think an official SE and Semi-Specialized SE should be built from the ground up.) I wouldn't be surprised if there are other members of the forums that care about the SE more than I do. Like you said, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
You make very good points and I agree with a lot of what you said. Lucas ignoring the OUT is disgraceful. Now me personally I wouldn't mind any of the SE's as long as the original is there with it. I just can't buy into Lucas' claim that there can be only one version especially when keeps changing from release to release. Steven Spielberg specifically told Universal when they released E.T. on DVD for the first time that it must contain both the original and newly enhanced versions. Ridley Scott released a box set with a bunch of versions of Blade Runner including a workprint version. I'm sure there's dozens of other examples but right there is two directors who clearly don't mind the idea of more than one version of their film(s) circulating together. Now if there was to be a new SW set I'd say either it be the original with the '97 SE or a newly done SE. Even I wouldn't object to that. I admit there's certain changes I don't mind. Removing matte lines, lightsaber adjustments (when done right), maybe some of the new CGI battle sequences. But others I completely oppose. Greedo shooting first, Jedi Rocks, stupid CGI Ronto in Mos Eisley, Vaders 'NOOO'. But I'm willing to live with all that as long as the original is still coupled with it.
I can say this, at least: There will never, ever, ever be an official semi-specialized at least not intentionally. What I mean by this is they may fuck up an OUT restoration and inadvertently keep in SE elements (like the recomped speeders in ESB). But there is absolutely no reason to release a semi specialized version. There is much less market for that than the OUT. That also spits in Lucas's face much more than simply releasing the original versions- it would be denying him final cut privileges.
imperialscum said:
slask said:
imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
It is very serious. You just don't get the point.
No, you don't get this: SW is not only what you want think it is. There are and there will always be different editions, and they're not as bad as you desperately want them to be. Just get over it
slask said:
imperialscum said:
slask said:
imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
It is very serious. You just don't get the point.
No, you don't get this: SW is what is creator says it is. Just get over it
My oh my. Now go back step by step in the quotations and try to figure out just how the hell is this remark connected to anything we previously said.
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