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ABCsaid:

As you can read in my notes, the SE track for "Mynock Cave" have each channel isolated from the other: the instruments from the left sound only on the left and the right ones on the right, what the RSO surely doesn't do. If you sit in a concert hall it would be weird that a wall separe the musicians and so you can't hear the instruments sound melting...

Sorry for the late reply. You're right! forgive my ignorance. I can't believe I've never noticed that, its sounds very artificial, weird...

ABC said:

According to the listing you've posted it's funny to notice how much is left from his work on the OE:

• Ice planet bits: about 20 sec
• Jedi Master Revealed (layered!): 2 min
• ... And perhaps the missing bits from Mynock Cave: about 10 sec

 ... Tomlinson rules by K.O. in the first round !

Yes, but two of them you cannot get anywhere else ;) and you've done some great improvements on them.

ABC said:

Do you think he's responsible of both the Sountrack and Film versions? Well, that's something I don't quite well unserstand... (If there's a difference I mean)

What I observe is that...

• the original RSO soundtrack gives a strong relief to some instruments that are unheard or spoiled on the Anthology. (ringing instruments, percussions, flutes etc...) and a completely different touch to the sound... So are they still to be called "Tomlinson mixes" on the Anthology ?
• That the SE uses the exact same mixes from the Anthology for the non-Risner tracks (Lucasfilm politics (?): the sheapest, the best).

 

But I haven't listened the film mixes too carefuly to compare I must say, excepted perhaps the End Titles, wich sounds quite close to the Anthology track (I mean CD2 version, wich sounds different from the other tracks... ).

Conclusion (imo): the RSO version rules.

Well, Tomlinson was the recording engineer for the score, and the original recording of the orchestra is what I think is the blueprint of its sound, so "film mixes" is perhaps a bad description of what I meant, (when all film scores is recorded for a film), when released on album they are of course adjusted for home equipment and Tomlinson's recording mix is the basis for it, no matter how you transfer (remix) it. It just wasn't transfered correctly -96 when they had the opportunity, (Star Wars was great imo.) -93 they hadn't and -80 they released one of the most sophisticated scores ever made at that time. But like the most things related to Star Wars lately it's easier to make $$ instead of showing it proper respect like you do :)

ABC, is there a mix of Bounty for Captain Solo/Attacking a Star Destroyer that doesn't have the buzz during the bassoon solo? Every version I have ever heard had it.

EyeShotFirst said:

ABC, is there a mix of Bounty for Captain Solo/Attacking a Star Destroyer that doesn't have the buzz during the bassoon solo? Every version I have ever heard had it.

 Hahaha ! :)

... What looks like a buzz (I concur), is in fact... A cello !

As I plan to redo that track from the beginning you just gave me an idea: I may try to make it sound closer as it is located on the right channel. I think it sounds too far. But it's not a promise, we'll see...

ABC said:

EyeShotFirst said:

ABC, is there a mix of Bounty for Captain Solo/Attacking a Star Destroyer that doesn't have the buzz during the bassoon solo? Every version I have ever heard had it.

 Hahaha ! :)

... What looks like a buzz (I concur), is in fact... A cello !

As I plan to redo that track from the beginning you just gave me an idea: I may try to make it sound closer as it is located on the right channel. I think it sounds too far. But it's not a promise, we'll see...

Now that it is cranked I can hear it is a cello now in the back, I can hear that they used buku rosin. Whoops, good ol' analog recordings capture so much more than digital.

ABC said:

And for what is about compression and reverb, here's surely what I tend to compensate with my EQ as far as I don't use such processes. Always trying to get what is the more natural of course.

Hoping it makes all clear ;)

And I'm glad you don't, I absolutely love your subtle approach to the EQ on these tracks. You're a perfectionist and it shows, I gave your latest "The Duel" a listen and it have never sounded this good before, perfect!!

msycamore said:

... I gave your latest "The Duel" a listen and it have never sounded this good before, perfect!!

 :) Thanks, but once again you're wrong ! lol... I haven't uploaded anything new from CD 2 now, and I can't tell myself on wich OE version I used the actual sample as I have (now) three mixes for this cue. It's a difficult one to adapt to the set as it's the cue wich has the more depht.

... I can see the new "Mynock Cave" still haven't caught your attention, hehe ;) oh, and about the SE version:

 ... I can't believe I've never noticed that, its sounds very artificial, weird...

... I noticed the stereo was indeed exceptionnaly wide, and I'm quite sure they enlarged it on this cue. I 've narrowed the stereo to make a try and looks to work very well. I'll confirm or not in the remixing details.

Btw, the new "Duel" version (I'll change the sample soon), has been accurately pitch corrected with the Anthology, what makes the intro really fit. For info, this means I sped up the track to 0,8%.

Question: The SW musical journey dvd has "The Asteroid Field" newly remixed from the 24-tracks master tapes by Shawn Murphy.

I know someone who has this dvd but never watched it myself. Is there sfx's or dialogues on that track ?... And even though (perhaps a cool edit in the kind of the concert version can be made), how to rip the PCM track ?

ABC said:

:) Thanks, but once again you're wrong ! lol... I haven't uploaded anything new from CD 2 now, and I can't tell myself on wich OE version I used the actual sample as I have (now) three mixes for this cue. It's a difficult one to adapt to the set as it's the cue wich has the more depht.

No I am not, it's new to me ;) I haven't gone through your version 3. completely yet.

No I am not, it's new to me ;) I haven't gone through your version 3. completely yet.

Oh, my mistake. Anyway, the RSO tracks are a pleasure to be heard and I'm not to be congratulated so much for that. They just CAN sound awesome. Far hardest to deal are the filmmixes whatever they're from the Anthology or the SE.

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CD2 on v.3 is almost "final" so to say. I can't do anything more about the tracks from "Leia's worries" to "Darth Vader's Trap". "Lando's Palace" is now layered with the RSO LP, wich is itself as noisy but gives some depht (the second part is quite beautiful). Departure is now layered too. The most difficult was to get a good "Revelation/Escape from Bespin" and I finally get back to one of my first mixes wich hasn't been used for any OE version and I still wonder why. :)

I'll see once again if I can do something about the pitch for the End Titles. Btw, the "Main Title has been pitch corrected (when "Ice Planet" is actually alright") and it's sooo good.

Also the Alt "Main Title/Probe Droid" has the SE part pitch corrected too according to the beginning of "Ice Planet", and is no more the film version but is as scored for the final cut: with the "Rebel Insert" at the end - also pitch corrected but here as I felt it should sound, and it looks pretty fair.

In definitive the OE 4 might be very good, and I think it is, but the awesome piece is to be a full CD reconstructing the RSO album (then completed).

Then, the OE 4 is now upgrade to a 3CD set, with nothing new on the third though there might be one or two alternate mixes, only for a matter of presentation and comfort.

And it's already finished (despite my so called "break"). Just have I to work on the new arts and presentation.

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Note (that I'll surely edit in the opening post):

I won't speek anymore about feedbacks, thanks or hello'. The OE 4 will be thrown to a few people who might already know who they are. This thread will remain a feedback thread for the OE 3 if some have the good will to manifest. Time will tell if the OE 4 will reach OT.com's sphere one day.

May I add I don't care about being recognized for my work, that's what ABC means btw (what's more anonymous !). Only this restoration project has gone pretty far - and pretty good, the thread looks to be much viewed, and I still can count the feedbacks on my ten fingers... Hardly ! ... When most of all: it's the Empire Striles Back score...!

I will provide feedback anyway.

EyeShotFirst said:

I will provide feedback anyway.

 You spoke enough for I understand you appreciate the work. ;)

ABC said:

Question: The SW musical journey dvd has "The Asteroid Field" newly remixed from the 24-tracks master tapes by Shawn Murphy.

I know someone who has this dvd but never watched it myself. Is there sfx's or dialogues on that track ?... And even though (perhaps a cool edit in the kind of the concert version can be made), how to rip the PCM track ?

I'm pretty sure it contains some fx and dialogue, but I remember someone on this board made a good dialogue free disc of it with pcm audio a few years ago. If I remember correctly, Goodmusician  made good use of it for his Empire score.

ABC said:

Btw, the new "Duel" version (I'll change the sample soon), has been accurately pitch corrected with the Anthology, what makes the intro really fit. For info, this means I sped up the track to 0,8%.

I didn't noticed that pitch issue with it, and I still don't hear your edit between them (it's beautifully done), but the pitch correction will make it even better I'm sure :)

... I can see the new "Mynock Cave" still haven't caught your attention, hehe ;)

Have you posted an even newer one...? Your last one sounded fantastic, and I liked your editing choices in it. It really is a warmer feel to the sound in it, just great.

ABC, are you going to crossfade Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace, or do you point me to your film version edit? Just curious.

msycamore said:

Have you posted an even newer one...? Your last one sounded fantastic, and I liked your editing choices in it. It really is a warmer feel to the sound in it, just great.

Oh no I haven't, I was talking about the actual sample you heard.

ABC, are you going to crossfade Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace, or do you point me to your film version edit? Just curious.

I played with the idea once, but these tracks have too different dynamic range.

I don't like so much crossfaded cues, and I even separated "Darth Vader's Trap" from "Departure of Boba Fett" for the same reason , taking the risk to have a bit a rough end for the first one (though I've been able to extend the last note and echo through editing).

The reading of the score is more convenient with separated cues, and I like not to have the movie running into my head when listening if you see what I mean ;)

Edit:

... or do you point me to your film version edit? Just curious.

I'm afraid I haven't edited them together as in the film. However it's easy to fix for yourself, even with the default magnetophone on your computer ! (That's what I used for the 77 SW "soundtrack salvage") :)

Note: Due to my lack of discretion and clumsyness recalling that an undirect hidden link leaded to my work on another of my topics, I had to remove these ones.

Sorry !

Ok...

My last post in this thread I think.

I've reupdated the current topic for the "Optimum" V.3 as time surely allowed to share it widely. So if anyone wants to honour it with feedback it must be here.

The "Optimum" v.4 has turned to the title of "Audiophile Edition" for there's no confusion. Does it deserve it ? Perhaps one or two people will tell one day if the new samples don't speek enough for your ears...

Anyway the "Audiophile Edition" thread is now here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-THE-AUDIOPHILE-EDITION-Ultimate-score-restoration-Completed/topic/11134/

The presentation of the work will be updated soon. For the moment you have all the remixing & restorations details and complete tracklist updated.

ABC said:

I played with the idea once, but these tracks have too different dynamic range.

I don't like so much crossfaded cues, and I even separated "Darth Vader's Trap" from "Departure of Boba Fett" for the same reason , taking the risk to have a bit a rough end for the first one (though I've been able to extend the last note and echo through editing).

The reading of the score is more convenient with separated cues, and I like not to have the movie running into my head when listening if you see what I mean ;)

I understand your reasoning, that's one of the great things with the Anthology, many cues with complete and clean endings...

I'm afraid I haven't edited them together as in the film. However it's easy to fix for yourself, even with the default magnetophone on your computer ! (That's what I used for the 77 SW "soundtrack salvage") :)

...but I prefer some of them crossfaded, I should try it ;)

TV's Frink said:

ABC said:

Note: thanks to one guy who prefered asking instead of searching by himself on another of my threads, I had to remove the undirect links that leaded my works.

So you're blaming someone else for your breaking of the forum rules?  This sounds familiar somehow...

Wow ! The cops !

... Actually you're right, the guy is for nothing about that, or not that much. I made a mistake, but not the one you mention by so-calling "breaking the rules". So I edited my post and pointed the finger on the true idiot ! ;)

Frink, as far as I can see the asses and boobs that I've posted in your thread are still there. Why don't you ask the mods to get them out if they break the rules as much as you say ? (of course that's why you're here). And why am I on your ignore list if you can't ignore me !!? Is it finally a love story ?

I'd like to, but it would be off-topic. The ones I posted on yours are related to the subjects.

So, let's go back on topic please...

lol !

msycamore said:

ABC said:

I'm afraid I haven't edited them together as in the film. However it's easy to fix for yourself, even with the default magnetophone on your computer ! (That's what I used for the 77 SW "soundtrack salvage") :)

...but I prefer some of them crossfaded, I should try it ;)

 

Of course, don't be shy ;)

msycamore said:

ABC said:

msycamore,

To end that confusion once for all, I just noticed the Anthology album (CD2) End Title has not the tracked Imperial March bit, but is made of the Alt March beginning of the original album + the film version Alt March...

Crazy !

Yeah, both the film and album version seems to share about 9sec of the concert arrangement.

 Ah, ok... I just rode what you rode... Perhaps it's right but what I was trying to say is they have both the same film version parts on 20 to 30 sec, excepted the intro (about ten sec) ... to make it clear: they made three different versions: the Album, the Anthology, the film version.

ABC said:

Perhaps it's right but what I was trying to say is they have both the same film version parts on 20 to 30 sec, excepted the intro (about ten sec) ... to make it clear: they made three different versions: the Album, the Anthology, the film version.

Ok...I see, I misunderstood you there. That's an Interesting find you did! Still learning new things about this fantastic score :)