clone wars season II — Page 6

Tobar said:

They're referring to G-level canon which is George canon. Even if they weren't while I appreciate Splinter of the Mind's Eye for what it is, there's not a lot in it that can easily fit with the rest of the EU.

They say "canon", not "G-canon", which implies very clearly that Splinter is not counted as "canon" at all. I see no proof there that they're just referring to just G-canon. It sounds very much like dividing between canon and non-canon, rather than dividing between G-canon and lesser canon. The EU-is-canon viewpoint clearly stresses that lower levels of canon are still canon too, which is at odds with the quoted statement that simply implies EU isn't canon at all. If they were going by the Eu-is-canon approach they wouldn't word it so as to clearly imply the EU isn't canon. What you've got there is somebody writing who doesn't consider non-Lucas material to be canon. By very nature the wording implies that non-Lucas material is not canon. They do NOT go and specify G-canon, which they would do if they were somebody going by the G, C, etc system of canon.

You have to remember, Lucas himself doesn't take the canonical status of the EU seriously, so it makes sense that some of his employees would dismiss it too, even if some others are busy promoting it as canon.

As for Splinter itself, it's been counted as canon by Leland Chee, who runs Lucasfilm canon (the "canon" that calls EU canon). So it's as much "canon" as the rest of the EU, whether it fits or not.

Vaderisnothayden said:

You have to remember, Lucas himself doesn't take the canonical status of the EU seriously, so it makes sense that some of his employees would dismiss it too, even if some others are busy promoting it as canon.

As for Splinter itself, it's been counted as canon by Leland Chee, who runs Lucasfilm canon (the "canon" that calls EU canon). So it's as much "canon" as the rest of the EU, whether it fits or not.

 "Splinter" counts as Q-Canon... which is quality.

Even if it flies in the face of a lot of what came later, that was a real fun read, and IMHO really captured the spirit of Star Wars better than the majority of EU from the 90s and on.

george has worked with the authors and anything affiliated with star wars. he's always looked over a story line before its sent out to the fans.

sometimes it doesn't match up, but just use ur imagination. that's wha G.L.'s entire purpose was when he created the Star Wars Trilogy.

C3PX said:

And I know George never said that what happened in the EU happened, but yet he liscensed out the property and makes money off of it, then turns around and says to all the fans who are giving him money, These stories you are reading never really happened, just silly stuff people make up to make me more rich.

 How about 'just silly stuff people make up because there's an insane demand for it and it makes millions of Star Wars fans happy?'

Tobar said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Tobar said:

They're referring to G-level canon which is George canon. Even if they weren't while I appreciate Splinter of the Mind's Eye for what it is, there's not a lot in it that can easily fit with the rest of the EU.

You have to remember, Lucas himself doesn't take the canonical status of the EU seriously, so it makes sense that some of his employees would dismiss it too, even if some others are busy promoting it as canon.

 

George himself has stated that there are different levels of canon. As well, the person who wrote that article was Pablo Hidalgo who is a big fan of and contributes to the EU regularly himself.

George himself has clearly stated the EU is a separate universe from his Star Wars and that it doesn't happen (he's given examples such as Luke marrying or the Emperor being cloned as things which don't happen). And I've read a lot said by George about canon, but I've never heard of him saying there's different levels of canon. I think you need to provide a quote for that.As for Hidalgo, just because he contributes to the EU doesn't mean he adheres to the fiction that it's canon.

Tobar said:

 

C3PX said:

Tobar said:

George himself has stated that there are different levels of canon...

 

Which is a nicely done and diplomatic way of saying, "If I didn't write it, it didn't happen! Err.. but it did happen, because I want all this money from licensing... but it didn't actually happen, because I didn't write it. But- Buy that book!- it did happen, just not really. Okay... maybe it happened... a little. But not as much as the stuff I wrote happened, because that is the only stuff that really happened."

Maybe we should just say all EU is stuff Artoo dreamed about (do droids dream?), which would explain why some is quite pleasant, while other bits are downright weird, and other bits are absolutely nightmarish. So, Artoo really dreamed about it, giving it a solid place in the SW universe, but it didn't really happen. That is my new definitive explanation for EU!

 

But on that note, what I do like about what they're doing with the Clone Wars and I mean specifically what Dave Filoni is doing. Is that he's a HUGE Star Wars fan, like a living encylopedia. So whenever they have story meetings and George comes up with something Dave will bring up what has already been done or covered in the EU and takes it to George. In this way, George can see it and then decide whether to include it or not. In this way at least we can still have some of the EU acknowledged.

They've conspicuously disregarded the EU multiple times in this show, which doesn't say much for their concern for it.

rcb said:

george has worked with the authors and anything affiliated with star wars. he's always looked over a story line before its sent out to the fans.

He's also said he doesn't keep track of the EU and doesn't read the books.

skyjedi2005 said:

The one and only true canon was and still should be the oot, but Lucas himself did not follow the continuity or the canon when he created the special editions and prequels.  So anything the man says about canon i call bullshit since he did not even follow it himself.

He had to change the originals to fit his conception of the prequels which is retarded they should have been made to conform to what was already established.

Plus he adds EU stuff to the movies he did not create, but does not matter to me since the prequels and special editions are an alternate universe version like bizzaro world star wars, they too are EU or are infinities.  Just not the better EU.

That this newer star wars stuff does not jive with the originals tells me it is entirely false and not set in the canon star wars universe which existed up until a certain point in the 1990's when the dude decided to act as though he was making star wars for the first time in 1997 , its pure insanity.

 

 I agree. :)

TV's Frink said:

No need to triple post.  Copy/paste is your friend, and indeed a friend to all of us.

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Sigh.

Tobar said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Tobar said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Tobar said:

They're referring to G-level canon which is George canon. Even if they weren't while I appreciate Splinter of the Mind's Eye for what it is, there's not a lot in it that can easily fit with the rest of the EU.

You have to remember, Lucas himself doesn't take the canonical status of the EU seriously, so it makes sense that some of his employees would dismiss it too, even if some others are busy promoting it as canon.

 

George himself has stated that there are different levels of canon. As well, the person who wrote that article was Pablo Hidalgo who is a big fan of and contributes to the EU regularly himself.

George himself has clearly stated the EU is a separate universe from his Star Wars and that it doesn't happen (he's given examples such as Luke marrying or the Emperor being cloned as things which don't happen). And I've read a lot said by George about canon, but I've never heard of him saying there's different levels of canon. I think you need to provide a quote for that.As for Hidalgo, just because he contributes to the EU doesn't mean he adheres to the fiction that it's canon.

That's what I mean when I say levels. When George gave the whole Father, Son, Spirit analogy. As for the Clone Wars team throwing the EU out the door, it's NOT them that's doing that. It's George. If it were up to Dave Filoni the whole show would strictly adhere to it because he's such a huge fan of it. However, since George decided to latch onto the project and basically take creative control over it all Dave can do is bring up as much of it as he can to try and preserve it.

 

The father, son and holy ghost analogy wasn't about different levels of canon. It was about there being different Star Wars worlds or universes -his stuff (his films and tv) , the EU and the fans. The whole different levels of canon thing is something solely adhered to by some of his employees.

As for the Clone Wars team throwing the EU out the door, it's NOT them that's doing that. It's George. If it were up to Dave Filoni the whole show would strictly adhere to it because he's such a huge fan of it. However, since George decided to latch onto the project and basically take creative control over it all Dave can do is bring up as much of it as he can to try and preserve it.

But George is ON the Clone Wars team. He's the head of it and a very important part of it, so you can't say the team is all in favor of the EU. This is George's project, not just Filoni's, and that's why it's being taken more seriously than EU. 

xhonzi said:

Where would one find this blasphemous analogy?

 right here

Gaffer Tape said:

Haha, C3PX is cracking me up in this thread. Maybe a couple of you think he is being overly-cynical about the whole thing, but, if you think about it, that's exactly what it is. George doesn't want to have to bother keeping track of all these separate stories or limiting his story to the rules set forth by other authors, so he dismisses it, but he still wants to legitimize it so people won't think they're wasting their money, so that's why there are all these different levels of canon. That's not saying I haven't enjoyed EU, but if you honestly think it's anything more than a marketing push, you're seriously deluding yourselves.

 "but if you honestly think it's anything more than a marketing push, you're seriously deluding yourselves."

Yep. That's all the EU is. I've my share of looking at the EU (from all eras), but the only EU I can now take seriously is classic-era stuff like the Marvel comics, because while that was just merchandising too, it's at least classic-era stuff, a relic of the time the OOT was current and the years immediately after, which is a special time for Star Wars. The later EU is just not that relevant for me. The magic time had passed. The later Lucas material (onscreen material -I'm not going to pay any attention to Shatterpoint prologues or whatever, wrong medium), while not valid Star Wars, is at least taking the place now that the films had in the old days -it's the big  onscreen major Star Wars event put out by Lucas. The EU past the early years doesn't even have that. It's hard for me to understand why people get so invested in it. Thrawn, Mara Jade and all that lot will never be real to me even as much as even Ashoka or Shira Brie, let alone the OOT characters. 

But yeah, EU is just merchandising. It's not the Real Thing. It's not even the real thing by modern standards, and modern standards suck, seeing as there's nothing out now (EU or from Lucas) that's the real thing in the stricter sense. Some people spend hours reading NJO novels about aliens called the Using Pong or whatever invading the Star Wars galaxy and fucking everything up and I wonder why they waste their time (the readers, not the Pong), particularly seeing as those novels sound like they're torture.

And now there's something called the Fate of the Jedi, in which the Jedi are persecuted by an imperial who somehow got in charge of the new version of the Republic. And before that, there was something called The Legacy of the Farce, in which Han and Leia's only remaining son (the other one was killed off because he might be confused with lil Annie, or so I'm told -he was called Anakin because Leia never forgave her father, or something like that) -anyway, their only remaining son decides to totally rip off Annie Skywalker and ROTS and go to the dark side because it'll save someone he loves. In the modern Star Wars universe, love makes you evil, don't you know. As Yoda says in ROTS, we should never get attached to people and we should be happy if our loved ones die and we should do nothing to prevent them dying. Fuck you, Yoda. Meanwhile there's the books of one Karen Traviss, in which I'm told the Jedi are slave owners and the clone soldiers are the slaves and way cooler than the jedi, because they're Mandalorians, who are, like, the coolest people around. Like Jango Fett, who the EU has killing tons of jedi with his bare hands when sorely outnumbered by them. Karen Traviss quit writing Star Wars books after the present Clone Wars show screwed up her continuity. Anyway, the EU is wandering off on its own weird direction, milking huge mountains of cash of hapless fans. And I'm left scratching my head.

The recent KOTOR and Legacy comics are pretty well done mind you, but they're still none too relevant and the un-Star Warsy-ness of the Legacy comics is kind of blatant -they're very comic booky. The main guy is a long-haired, semi-shaven descendant of Luke's with a drug habit and an attitude problem and a tendency to dip into the dark side (doesn't everybody do that in the EU?).